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JohninMKSoon could be quite a while given the EU's urgent need to refill their storage capacity from very low levels ahead of winter. This time of year usually sees the start of price hardening through to next May.kvs wrote:The prices are high now but they will for sure be drilled down to under $40 per tcm soon enough. U-rope does not want
long term contracts with "blackmailer" Gazprom, it wants a spot pricing racket. Gazprom is letting U-rope know that
it will not bend over but that will not stop U-rope from trying to screw Russia over.
Malicious customers need to shop elsewhere.
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Russian Oil and Gas Industry: News #3
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GarryB wrote:
Glad you are pointing out I am right but have you fully thought through the consequences?
Sure I do, already told you that a while ago.
You are too late with your advices, for two decades or so.
Any pointless discussion needs an end.
JohninMK wrote:
Soon could be quite a while given the EU's urgent need to refill their storage capacity from very low levels ahead of winter. This time of year usually sees the start of price hardening through to next May.
There is quite serious debate running at the moment, that we are clearly witnessing a fog&mirrors tactics.
For years, there was a constant discussion about how Ukraine is a core of the whole EU energy security, because of its storage capacity left after SU collapse.
Now we witness that not only this space is needed as a second hole in the ass, but what's more, that GR, NL and AU can work as a storage hub, with no serious issues.
The storages in EU will be filled, no worries about that. The question is, who will use a gas paid at $550tcm, and who will just wait and see when NS2 will start. And why do they drink Becks
EU can't officially dump the 404 spot on, we need to pretend for a while. All that investments need to pay off. That was a bad one, still no clue in not shaving the patient.
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The gas storage "crisis" is seen the following numbers:
end of July 2020: 70% full
end of July 2021: 60% full
end of July 2020: 70% full
end of July 2021: 60% full
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kvs wrote:The gas storage "crisis" is seen the following numbers:
end of July 2020: 70% full
end of July 2021: 60% full
End June 2020 80%
End June 2021 47.5%
Also see highlight below.
https://www.europeangashub.com/report-presentation/gas-storage-and-swing-report-july-2021
Not a lot of signs of prices easing
Current prices for both are threatening to rise past the $15 mark. This surge in price has come as a result of multiple factors, the primary reason being low European storage that has fallen outside their 5-year range.
American LNG exports are already moving at full capacity, and the Europeans will need additional sources of gas to shore up their own supply gaps.
As summer heat continues to pile on, weather-driven demand will remain high in the near term and push prices abroad higher in the near term.
https://www.europeangashub.com/international-gas-prices-continue-to-soar.html
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So the EU prices are high because LNG is going to Asia. But Russia gets the blame.
Get fecked.
Get fecked.
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Russia ignores it because it is getting all the money. From Asia or Europe. Or North-America. Who cares? 
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Hole wrote:Russia ignores it because it is getting all the money. From Asia or Europe. Or North-America. Who cares?
The EU has only itself to blame since it tried to reduce the number of long term supply contracts that Gazprom could sign.
But now they are whining that Russia is not supplying enough.
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And in the end german and italian and austrian companies will make deals with Gazprom or Novatek and Russia will get the money. Ignore Brussels. 
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Construction of Nord Stream 2 is nearing completion, 15 km by sea left — Putin
MOSCOW, August 20. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is nearing completion, and 15 km of it remains to be laid by sea.
"Fifteen kilometers are still to be laid by sea, that's all. It can be said that [construction] is nearing completion," the Russian leader said on Friday at a press conference following talks in Moscow with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Putin noted that the route for transporting gas to Europe via Nord Stream 2 was 2,000 km shorter than the transit route through Ukraine, and the project itself cut emissions five times during the transit of Russian gas to Europe.
"This is a modern, environmentally clean system, these are not just empty words," Putin said.
"Moreover, it is much cheaper than transit via the Ukrainian route," he added.
The talk that the construction of Nord Stream 2 is a political process is "a delusion or an attempt to mislead someone," Putin stressed.
About the project
The Nord Stream 2 project envisages the completion of two gas pipelines with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters per year from the coast of Russia across the Baltic Sea to Germany. Work on the project was suspended in December 2019 after Swiss Allseas abandoned pipe-laying operations due to the then-looming US sanctions. In December 2020, the construction of the gas pipeline was resumed after a year's pause.
In late July, it was reported that Nord Stream 2 was 99% complete, and the pipe-laying barge Fortuna continued to work at the final section. The first string of the pipeline was completed in June this year.
MOSCOW, August 20. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is nearing completion, and 15 km of it remains to be laid by sea.
"Fifteen kilometers are still to be laid by sea, that's all. It can be said that [construction] is nearing completion," the Russian leader said on Friday at a press conference following talks in Moscow with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Putin noted that the route for transporting gas to Europe via Nord Stream 2 was 2,000 km shorter than the transit route through Ukraine, and the project itself cut emissions five times during the transit of Russian gas to Europe.
"This is a modern, environmentally clean system, these are not just empty words," Putin said.
"Moreover, it is much cheaper than transit via the Ukrainian route," he added.
The talk that the construction of Nord Stream 2 is a political process is "a delusion or an attempt to mislead someone," Putin stressed.
About the project
The Nord Stream 2 project envisages the completion of two gas pipelines with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters per year from the coast of Russia across the Baltic Sea to Germany. Work on the project was suspended in December 2019 after Swiss Allseas abandoned pipe-laying operations due to the then-looming US sanctions. In December 2020, the construction of the gas pipeline was resumed after a year's pause.
In late July, it was reported that Nord Stream 2 was 99% complete, and the pipe-laying barge Fortuna continued to work at the final section. The first string of the pipeline was completed in June this year.
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Fortuna Vessel Starts Laying Last Section of Nord Stream 2 in German Waters, 22.08.2021.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia's Fortuna vessel is set to lay the last 13-14 kilometers (8 miles) of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in German waters to complete the work by 12 September, the German maritime services said on 22 August.
On 21 August, Fortuna completed its operations in the Danish waters and crossed the sea border with Germany.
The German Federal Waterways and Shipping Administration, as well as the Radio Navigational Warnings Center Emden, issued notices containing the same coordinates of Fortuna's location, saying it would operate until 12 September.
https://sputniknews.com/world/202108221083684785-fortuna-vessel-starts-laying-last-section-of-nord-stream-2-in-german-waters/
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia's Fortuna vessel is set to lay the last 13-14 kilometers (8 miles) of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in German waters to complete the work by 12 September, the German maritime services said on 22 August.
On 21 August, Fortuna completed its operations in the Danish waters and crossed the sea border with Germany.
The German Federal Waterways and Shipping Administration, as well as the Radio Navigational Warnings Center Emden, issued notices containing the same coordinates of Fortuna's location, saying it would operate until 12 September.
https://sputniknews.com/world/202108221083684785-fortuna-vessel-starts-laying-last-section-of-nord-stream-2-in-german-waters/
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I suppose this is OK until they really need the gas.
Nord Stream 2 AG, the Gazprom-owned, Swiss-registered company building the almost-finished Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, earlier lost a court case in Germany that could have excluded it from the EU’s Gas Directive, a set of rules on the sale and transport of gas into the EU adopted in 2019.
Nord Stream 2 could dodge the legal ruling that potentially limits it to using just half of the pipeline's capacity if ownership of the energy project were to be sold, suggested German officials, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), citing German officials.
The near-completed project set to carry 55 billion cubic metres of gas annually from Russia directly to Germany across the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, recently hit a snag after the German high court in Dusseldorf ruled the pipeline can't be exempted from the provisions of the amended Third Energy Package as its operator demanded.
The Swiss-registered company building the mega gas pipeline had sought an exclusion from the EU’s Gas Directive, a set of antimonopoly rules adopted in 2019 ostensibly designed to boost competition in Europe’s gas market. They previously only applied to sales of gas inside the EU, but in 2019 were expanded to cover newly built pipelines entering EU territory from non-EU countries. The rules require the so-called “unbundling” of the production, transport and sale of gas into the EU, whereby one company cannot exclusively use its own pipeline to transport its own gas.
Unless an appeal is granted, Nord Stream 2 will have to meet the three core conditions of the EU rules, writes the outlet - to grant other gas suppliers access to the pipeline, to only charge the prices approved by the network agency for transit, and to strictly separate the operation of the pipeline from the gas delivery itself.
While the first two points may be dismissed as a “formality”, says the outlet, the most tricky issue could be the separation of pipeline operation and gas delivery.
Amid ongoing litigation and arbitration proceedings regarding the 2019 amendments to the European Union Gas Directive, as a precautionary measure, Nord Stream 2 AG applied to the German Federal Network Agency (Bundesnetzagentur –BNetzA) on 11 June for proactive certification as an independent transport-system operator. The aim was to meet the unbundling requirements by separating the pipeline operations from the parent company in terms of accounting and operations.
The network agency has four months to check this as soon as all the necessary documents are available, which is not yet the case, writes FAZ. According to the cited German officials, there is no getting around the issue, and selling ownership of the pipeline may be the only option.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202108281083738555-german-officials-reportedly-suggest-selling-nord-stream-2-to-dodge-legal-snag-limiting-its-capacity/
Nord Stream 2 AG, the Gazprom-owned, Swiss-registered company building the almost-finished Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, earlier lost a court case in Germany that could have excluded it from the EU’s Gas Directive, a set of rules on the sale and transport of gas into the EU adopted in 2019.
Nord Stream 2 could dodge the legal ruling that potentially limits it to using just half of the pipeline's capacity if ownership of the energy project were to be sold, suggested German officials, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), citing German officials.
The near-completed project set to carry 55 billion cubic metres of gas annually from Russia directly to Germany across the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, recently hit a snag after the German high court in Dusseldorf ruled the pipeline can't be exempted from the provisions of the amended Third Energy Package as its operator demanded.
The Swiss-registered company building the mega gas pipeline had sought an exclusion from the EU’s Gas Directive, a set of antimonopoly rules adopted in 2019 ostensibly designed to boost competition in Europe’s gas market. They previously only applied to sales of gas inside the EU, but in 2019 were expanded to cover newly built pipelines entering EU territory from non-EU countries. The rules require the so-called “unbundling” of the production, transport and sale of gas into the EU, whereby one company cannot exclusively use its own pipeline to transport its own gas.
Unless an appeal is granted, Nord Stream 2 will have to meet the three core conditions of the EU rules, writes the outlet - to grant other gas suppliers access to the pipeline, to only charge the prices approved by the network agency for transit, and to strictly separate the operation of the pipeline from the gas delivery itself.
While the first two points may be dismissed as a “formality”, says the outlet, the most tricky issue could be the separation of pipeline operation and gas delivery.
Amid ongoing litigation and arbitration proceedings regarding the 2019 amendments to the European Union Gas Directive, as a precautionary measure, Nord Stream 2 AG applied to the German Federal Network Agency (Bundesnetzagentur –BNetzA) on 11 June for proactive certification as an independent transport-system operator. The aim was to meet the unbundling requirements by separating the pipeline operations from the parent company in terms of accounting and operations.
The network agency has four months to check this as soon as all the necessary documents are available, which is not yet the case, writes FAZ. According to the cited German officials, there is no getting around the issue, and selling ownership of the pipeline may be the only option.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202108281083738555-german-officials-reportedly-suggest-selling-nord-stream-2-to-dodge-legal-snag-limiting-its-capacity/
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Next time the EU-tards whinge about Russia not supplying enough gas, they should take a look in the mirror. These retards
are treating Gazprom's pipelines like AT&T or Bell Canada wired telephone infrastructure and expect 3rd party suppliers of
gas to ride the same infrastructure. This is an epic joke considering that there are no such 3rd party suppliers. So the
feckers are just slicing 50% of the import capacity from the only supplier who has been bending over backwards to give
them a good price.
Meanwhile LNG is chasing the high priced Asian market which diverts the supply to EU-tards. EU-tards are truly EU-tards.
are treating Gazprom's pipelines like AT&T or Bell Canada wired telephone infrastructure and expect 3rd party suppliers of
gas to ride the same infrastructure. This is an epic joke considering that there are no such 3rd party suppliers. So the
feckers are just slicing 50% of the import capacity from the only supplier who has been bending over backwards to give
them a good price.
Meanwhile LNG is chasing the high priced Asian market which diverts the supply to EU-tards. EU-tards are truly EU-tards.
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Epic stupidity, these banker bootlickers think they can control Gazprom as if it was one of their European pawn companies. They are just asking to be left without supply until they learn their place, these corrupted retards
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To be honest, it is actually good. Gasprom send gas by contract and no single m3 more than that through Ukraine and Poland. There is NS2. You want half of capacity? OK, here is half of capacity. You don't have enough electricity? You are freezing? Your industrial production have reductions? You need more gas? We could sale you some LNG, but it is more expensive. Prices are too high? You want market prices and LNG is also needed in Asia, so you pay the same price as China or we will send LNG to China...
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medo wrote:To be honest, it is actually good. Gasprom send gas by contract and no single m3 more than that through Ukraine and Poland. There is NS2. You want half of capacity? OK, here is half of capacity. You don't have enough electricity? You are freezing? Your industrial production have reductions? You need more gas? We could sale you some LNG, but it is more expensive. Prices are too high? You want market prices and LNG is also needed in Asia, so you pay the same price as China or we will send LNG to China...
And they are getting ready for that ever since the 2019
2.4 TRILLION RUB investment, just at the EU doorstep.
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ALAMO wrote:
2.4 TRILLION RUB investment, just at the EU doorstep.
Is it a LNG plant?
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JohninMK wrote:
Is it a LNG plant?
Yes, but combined with the gas chemical processing plant, same as they are making on Amur.
It will clear the valuable parts from the gas transported west. At the moment, the BASF facility in Germany is making the real cash doing that.
They have started for real there in 2019.
We are talking about a 35bln$ fixed assets investment there, only for those two plants. Even in $ equivalent it is something huge, but in RUB it is gigantic.
The whole Ust-Uga cluster is an unbelievable scale of reindustrialization, only the train cargo terminal build there put a friend of mine, who is an expert for rail cargo operations, to the stupor ... It would be enough for a mid-size country ...
Worth to mention, that they have already inked a deal with a Chinese building company for another fresh new LNG plant on Kamchatka.
This is something really unbelivable, the scale of all of that ...
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The rules regarding ownership of pipes and ownership of the gas being delivered is interesting because doesn't the gas going down the pipes belong to the customer... and the pipes belong the Gazprom so where is the conflict of interest?
Suggests that the EU want an excuse to buy the pipes from the Russians so they can make more money, but wont invest in building the pipes themselves.
Anyway... agree with Medo... follow their stupid rules and let them suffer because of them in the cold and dark.
Suggests that the EU want an excuse to buy the pipes from the Russians so they can make more money, but wont invest in building the pipes themselves.
Anyway... agree with Medo... follow their stupid rules and let them suffer because of them in the cold and dark.
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ALAMO wrote:
Worth to mention, that they have already inked a deal with a Chinese building company for another fresh new LNG plant on Kamchatka.
Can you provide a source for that? I don't remember reading such news recently.
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Because it is nothing new to be fair, the project goes back to 2017 when Novatek inked it with Kamchatka regional government.
They get state financing finally in June 2021.
The goal was to establish a transshipment LNG terminal at Bechevinskaya Bay.
Interesting fact, that the bay used to be a maneuvering base for the Soviet submarines since the 60s, and closed in 1996 only.
Novateks goal is to create two such terminals, on both ends of the North Sea Route, to unload the gas from ice-class carriers to the standard ones, that are much less expensive and common.
They picked the contractor for the project and signed the contracts with Chines state-owned CCCC Ltd., a week ago or so.
It means nothing Garry in real, those are only customer-oriented and motivated phantom pains.
EU has an issue with "monopoly" and will pretend to fight with ones under antimonopoly legislature.
There is no other gas than Russian gas or the one delivered via the Russian pipe system, coming from ex-Soviet republics.
The only real effect will be, that half of that volume will be purchased via a chain of subcontractors, pretending that it is not Russian
European citizens will pay the provisions, and all will be happily pretending that they don't know where the wind blows.
The freshly opened pipe from Romania I mentioned a while ago, is fully loaded with South Stream stuff.
The last time I checked, it was Gazprom delivered molecules of freedom
They get state financing finally in June 2021.
The goal was to establish a transshipment LNG terminal at Bechevinskaya Bay.
Interesting fact, that the bay used to be a maneuvering base for the Soviet submarines since the 60s, and closed in 1996 only.
Novateks goal is to create two such terminals, on both ends of the North Sea Route, to unload the gas from ice-class carriers to the standard ones, that are much less expensive and common.
They picked the contractor for the project and signed the contracts with Chines state-owned CCCC Ltd., a week ago or so.
GarryB wrote:The rules regarding ownership of pipes and ownership of the gas being delivered is interesting because doesn't the gas going down the pipes belong to the customer... and the pipes belong the Gazprom so where is the conflict of interest?
Suggests that the EU want an excuse to buy the pipes from the Russians so they can make more money, but wont invest in building the pipes themselves.
Anyway... agree with Medo... follow their stupid rules and let them suffer because of them in the cold and dark.
It means nothing Garry in real, those are only customer-oriented and motivated phantom pains.
EU has an issue with "monopoly" and will pretend to fight with ones under antimonopoly legislature.
There is no other gas than Russian gas or the one delivered via the Russian pipe system, coming from ex-Soviet republics.
The only real effect will be, that half of that volume will be purchased via a chain of subcontractors, pretending that it is not Russian
European citizens will pay the provisions, and all will be happily pretending that they don't know where the wind blows.
The freshly opened pipe from Romania I mentioned a while ago, is fully loaded with South Stream stuff.
The last time I checked, it was Gazprom delivered molecules of freedom
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Wind stopped Nord Stream 2 until September
In August, storms and strong winds returned to the Baltic. Completion of the Nord Stream 2 project has stopped. Meteorologists promise that the weather will improve on the night of September 1. Less than six kilometers are left until the end of the construction of the second string of the gas pipeline.
In recent days, the barge Fortuna reached its maximum speed of almost 1200 meters per day. However, yesterday morning, August 29, a wind rose in the Baltic Sea and, according to Vesselfinder, the vessel stopped work on completing the second line of Nord Stream 2 in the German economic zone. The barge operates in shallow water at a sea depth of up to 25 meters using anchor positioning.
The vessel will have to lay about 6 kilometers before the laying is completed. According to the Swedish Institute of Hydrology and Meteorology (SMHI), the wind speed in the construction area reaches 12-15 meters per second. Meteorologists predict that the weather will calm down on the night of September 1, but remain unstable.
In mid-August, the German Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography (BSH) issued a warning to seafarers that the last section of Nord Stream 2 in German waters is scheduled to be completed by September 12th. The building permit itself is valid until the end of the month.
This time frame will enable the project operator to complete the project on time in stormy and weather conditions.
At the beginning of June, the barge "Fortuna" fully completed the completion of the first string, and now it is being commissioned. It is expected to launch in October-November. Gazprom reported that it will be able to supply 5.6 billion cubic meters of gas through the pipeline this year.
The second line may be ready for operation in December.
Due to the cold winter and spring and economic recovery, the EU countries increased their consumption and their storages were empty at a record. Against this background, LNG suppliers have reduced gas exports to Europe by more than 17 billion cubic meters in 8 months, redirecting cargo to more profitable Asia and South America. Algeria, Gazprom and Azerbaijan supplied the European market with additional volumes compared to last year, but they were only enough to compensate for the reduction in LNG supplies.
Gazprom reports that they are now fulfilling contractual obligations, and additional orders will be fulfilled after the launch of Nord Stream 2. Its launch was supposed to take place in the first half of last year, but US sanctions delayed its completion by more than a year and a half.
https://k--politika-ru.translate.goog/veter-ostanovil-severnyj-potok-2-do-sentyabrya/?utm_source=finobzor.ru&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem
In August, storms and strong winds returned to the Baltic. Completion of the Nord Stream 2 project has stopped. Meteorologists promise that the weather will improve on the night of September 1. Less than six kilometers are left until the end of the construction of the second string of the gas pipeline.
In recent days, the barge Fortuna reached its maximum speed of almost 1200 meters per day. However, yesterday morning, August 29, a wind rose in the Baltic Sea and, according to Vesselfinder, the vessel stopped work on completing the second line of Nord Stream 2 in the German economic zone. The barge operates in shallow water at a sea depth of up to 25 meters using anchor positioning.
The vessel will have to lay about 6 kilometers before the laying is completed. According to the Swedish Institute of Hydrology and Meteorology (SMHI), the wind speed in the construction area reaches 12-15 meters per second. Meteorologists predict that the weather will calm down on the night of September 1, but remain unstable.
In mid-August, the German Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography (BSH) issued a warning to seafarers that the last section of Nord Stream 2 in German waters is scheduled to be completed by September 12th. The building permit itself is valid until the end of the month.
This time frame will enable the project operator to complete the project on time in stormy and weather conditions.
At the beginning of June, the barge "Fortuna" fully completed the completion of the first string, and now it is being commissioned. It is expected to launch in October-November. Gazprom reported that it will be able to supply 5.6 billion cubic meters of gas through the pipeline this year.
The second line may be ready for operation in December.
Due to the cold winter and spring and economic recovery, the EU countries increased their consumption and their storages were empty at a record. Against this background, LNG suppliers have reduced gas exports to Europe by more than 17 billion cubic meters in 8 months, redirecting cargo to more profitable Asia and South America. Algeria, Gazprom and Azerbaijan supplied the European market with additional volumes compared to last year, but they were only enough to compensate for the reduction in LNG supplies.
Gazprom reports that they are now fulfilling contractual obligations, and additional orders will be fulfilled after the launch of Nord Stream 2. Its launch was supposed to take place in the first half of last year, but US sanctions delayed its completion by more than a year and a half.
https://k--politika-ru.translate.goog/veter-ostanovil-severnyj-potok-2-do-sentyabrya/?utm_source=finobzor.ru&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem
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GarryB wrote:The rules regarding ownership of pipes and ownership of the gas being delivered is interesting because doesn't the gas going down the pipes belong to the customer... and the pipes belong the Gazprom so where is the conflict of interest?
Suggests that the EU want an excuse to buy the pipes from the Russians so they can make more money, but wont invest in building the pipes themselves.
Anyway... agree with Medo... follow their stupid rules and let them suffer because of them in the cold and dark.
You make a good point. Recently Banderastan demanded to be given the role of operator of Nord Stream II. This is not just some
Kiev regime inanity, they must be getting signals from Bruxelles and its masters in Washington. So the idea of the customer
controlling the Russian pipelines is indeed a serious desire in the EU.