Project 885: Yasen class #2

Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

Wow, I haven't recognised : O


I forgot the password of first account, but looks like it stayed in my tab . I wrote the other from there.


Anyway, the point is : one dollar was 25 ruble in 2008, now it is 78.

So, one Yasen was 2.4 billion in 2008, but now only 0.8 billion.

My point is, the real value of it coudl be in the range of 4-6 billion if the USA MIC has to manufacture it (ok, maybe 4-12 billion ), without development cost.

Mindstorm wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

Wow, I haven't recognised : O


I forgot the password of first account, but looks like it stayed in my tab . I wrote the other from there.


Anyway, the point is : one dollar was 25 ruble in 2008, now it is 78.

So, one Yasen was 2.4 billion in 2008, but now only 0.8 billion.

My point is, the real value of it coudl be in the range of 4-6 billion if the USA MIC has to manufacture it (ok, maybe 4-12 billion ), without development cost.

This metropolitan legend is hard to die it seem.

The first acquisition deal for  4  пр. 885/885М was signed in 2011 - dollar to ruble rate of exchange : 27,15 - at a price of 47 billions rubles for the first submarine of the class (1,73 billion dollars at then-year exchange) and 41 billions rubles for the other three (1,51 billion dollars at then-year exchange rate).

Therefore never a пр. 885М was priced at an amount even only near to a Virginia.

dino00 wrote:

Mindstorm wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

Wow, I haven't recognised : O


I forgot the password of first account, but looks like it stayed in my tab . I wrote the other from there.


Anyway, the point is : one dollar was 25 ruble in 2008, now it is 78.

So, one Yasen was 2.4 billion in 2008, but now only 0.8 billion.

My point is, the real value of it coudl be in the range of 4-6 billion if the USA MIC has to manufacture it (ok, maybe 4-12 billion ), without development cost.

This metropolitan legend is hard to die it seem.

The first acquisition deal for  4  пр. 885/885М was signed in 2011 - dollar to ruble rate of exchange : 27,15 - at a price of 47 billions rubles for the first submarine of the class (1,73 billion dollars at then-year exchange) and 41 billions rubles for the other three (1,51 billion dollars at then-year exchange rate).

Therefore never a пр. 885М was priced at an amount even only near to a Virginia.

41 billion rubles each, or for three submarines?

Mindstorm wrote:


This metropolitan legend is hard to die it seem.

The first acquisition deal for  4  пр. 885/885М was signed in 2011 - dollar to ruble rate of exchange : 27,15 - at a price of 47 billions rubles for the first submarine of the class (1,73 billion dollars at then-year exchange) and 41 billions rubles for the other three (1,51 billion dollars at then-year exchange rate).

Therefore never a пр. 885М was priced at an amount even only near to a Virginia.

Singular_Transform wrote:The Virignia has small length/diamater VLS, incapable to support air breathing supersonic weapons....

Mindstorm wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

Wow, I haven't recognised : O


I forgot the password of first account, but looks like it stayed in my tab . I wrote the other from there.


Anyway, the point is : one dollar was 25 ruble in 2008, now it is 78.

So, one Yasen was 2.4 billion in 2008, but now only 0.8 billion.

My point is, the real value of it coudl be in the range of 4-6 billion if the USA MIC has to manufacture it (ok, maybe 4-12 billion ), without development cost.

This metropolitan legend is hard to die it seem.

The first acquisition deal for  4  пр. 885/885М was signed in 2011 - dollar to ruble rate of exchange : 27,15 - at a price of 47 billions rubles for the first submarine of the class (1,73 billion dollars at then-year exchange) and 41 billions rubles for the other three (1,51 billion dollars at then-year exchange rate).

Therefore never a пр. 885М was priced at an amount even only near to a Virginia.

Displacement: Submerged: 7,900 metric tons (8,700 short tons)
Length: 377 ft (115 m)
Beam: 34 ft (10 m)
Propulsion: S9G reactor 40,000 shp (30 MW)
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph) or over[2]
Range: Unlimited
Test depth: +800 ft (240 m)
Complement: 135 (15 officers; 120 enlisted)

Displacement:

Surfaced: 8,600 tons
Submerged: 13,800 tons

Length:

Yasen:139.2 m (457 ft)[4][5][6]
Yasen-M: 130 m (430 ft)

Beam: 13 m (43 ft)[4][5][6]

Propulsion: OK-650KPM[7] pressurized water reactor 200 MWt turbines of 43,000 shp

Speed:

Surfaced: 20 kn (37 km/h; 23 mph)
Submerged (silent): 28 kn (52 km/h; 32 mph)
Submerged (max): 35 kn (65 km/h; 40 mph)[8]

Range: Unlimited

Test depth:

Safe depth: 1,475 feet (450m)
Never exceed depth: 1,804 feet (580m)
Crush depth: 2,160 feet (658m)

Complement:

Yasen: 85
Yasen-M: 64

Isos wrote:Can you stop with your stupid maths ?

PapaDragon wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:The Virignia has small length/diamater VLS, incapable to support air breathing supersonic weapons....

They also said that supersonic missile had to be as big as Granit... until one day it didn't

Isos wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:Can you stop with your stupid maths ?

I am sorry, I don't want to offend you with high school math, but sadly there is no lower level wehere these numbers are interpreatable .

: )

Remark : I make a livinig from it, and quite good one: )

Unfortunately you suck at economics.

Keep doing maths at work.

Big_Gazza wrote:

GarryB wrote:To be fair the Americans don't need a sub capable of carrying 32 hypersonic anti ship missiles to sink enemy carriers and the air defence cruisers supporting and defending them... the Sea Wolf was too expensive for what the Americans thought they needed going forward... there was no actual or perceived arms race with either Russia or China, so the purpose of the Virginia was essentially a do all type that would not cost as much... very much similar in concept to the F-35 fighter programme... but not a total cockup like that programme was.

Agreed, but since the US places such a high priority on a large SSN fleet, Russian attack subs will always be outnumbered on a total fleet basis, so its sensible to build their boats as capable as possible and partially offset the US numerical advantage.  With Russia having technically superior boats operating in defensive posture in local seaspace and operating in concert with their coastal ASW forces, SSKs and their land-based airborne ASW forces, Russia becomes a much harder nut to crack for those Virginias mobilised far from home bases and operating with minimal external support.

Hole wrote:Comparing Virginia to Yassen is like comparing a Burke to the Admiral Nakhimov. The Yassens are underwater cruisers, the Virginias are frigates. There main purpose is to guard the aircraft and helicopter carriers/assault ships. The muricans need around 40 subs for that job. In a fight against Russia or China this subs will perform mostly defensive missions.