Western propaganda

Lol Garry you have such a rosy view of the USSR and the facts and reality of what it was like ar every well documented.

Your rosy view of the western world is cute to behold too... the west became rich and powerful by being total bastards to everyone but you are trying to tell me a political system which tries to make all people actually equal rather than just paying lip service to the concept like they do in the west is not just not OK but has to be actively removed from the world like ISIS or the plague... except the west actually considers it worse than ISIS... while still spending the best part of the last 40 years investing in and trading with China.

I personally really don't think 70% of people who do vote really understand what they are actually doing, and really don't take the time to understand the issues at hand... they vote because Hillary is a woman or because Obama is black, but most of all they vote for Trump because he is less scary than Hillary and is less likely (note not unlikely.... just less likely) to start a war with Russia and end the world as we know it.

Every man for himself and open competition actually sounds like a good idea, but look at the US using sanctions and banning foreign countries... all the total opposite of open competition and free markets... by its own definition the US is not a democracy because it lack a free media, and there are only ever two candidates to realistically choose from... even in the communist system there are a few to choose from... but just like in the US the people get very little say in who gets put forward as candidates...

And they keep forgetting that there were no iPhones, Amazon or Starbucks there either

Oh yes, I would be lost without my cellphone... not... and fuck Amazon... never bought a single thing from them in my life... and Starbucks... is he the pilot in Battle Star Galactica?

Western culture looses its charm as you get older and see through the bullshit and lies... it might appear to be dressed up pretty but a real close look and you will see she really is just a worn out over used crackwhore with a voice slightly to deep to be sure she is a woman or if she just smoked hard all her life...

The amusing thing is that over the last 40 years this western country has moved from socialism to more capitalism and things have not improved because of it.

Pay tax, but look after yourself... real capitalism is going to end up looking like Mad Max... the original Aussie one... the rich still trying to control the oil of course...

USSR could be saved. But GOrbachev came 10 years too late.

Would it really be in Russian interests to keep those idiots in the family?

The EU migrant crisis and a lot of Baltic states are thinking that maybe Russia isn't so bad... at least they are white and eat similar food and have a similar culture... and wont stab you in the street... or rape your daughters because in their culture a woman walking alone without a man is "available".

The real funny thing is that we hear from the west that communism killed the most people in the world.

Proper studies like Memorial have found the numbers including executed but also exiled was about 2.5 million... which is less Vietnamese than the Americans killed during that war, and certainly less than the number of Iraqis killed during the 30 odd years the US has had them under sanction and attack since the 1990s...

The real reason communism is hated is because it is a viable alternative... for the US it wouldn't be much different... Democrat and Republican parties are so close on things like sanctions and war... a few minor things they disagree about, which are generally morality issues anyway... the main difference is that under communism you might accumulate power, but accumulating enormous wealth is largely pointless and not really practical.

That is why the Soviet Union collapsed.... because the people with all the power... and therefore also the power to keep it going realised there was enormous money and assets tied up in the Soviet system they could exploit with their current positions of power and become overnight billionaires... and they did.

The hilarious thing about the west is that they love these oligarchs from Russia who hate Putin, because Putin made them pay tax and stopped them raping the country for every cent they could get...

Russia is nothing like communist at the moment, but China is... why is the west only now thinking of using Russia against China.... surely from day one in 1991 when the cold war ended that should have been the plan... use the now democratic Russia to destroy communist China... but western companies were making lots of money with super cheap labour in China....

The west only cares about communism and human rights when it is a suitable weapon to get what they want, which is why I think the west is full of horseshit and wouldn't believe it if it said the sky was blue.

GarryB wrote:The real funny thing is that we hear from the west that communism killed the most people in the world.

Proper studies like Memorial have found the numbers including executed but also exiled was about 2.5 million... which is less Vietnamese than the Americans killed during that war, and certainly less than the number of Iraqis killed during the 30 odd years the US has had them under sanction and attack since the 1990s...

The real reason communism is hated is because it is a viable alternative... for the US it wouldn't be much different... Democrat and Republican parties are so close on things like sanctions and war... a few minor things they disagree about, which are generally morality issues anyway... the main difference is that under communism you might accumulate power, but accumulating enormous wealth is largely pointless and not really practical.

That is why the Soviet Union collapsed.... because the people with all the power... and therefore also the power to keep it going realised there was enormous money and assets tied up in the Soviet system they could exploit with their current positions of power and become overnight billionaires... and they did.

The hilarious thing about the west is that they love these oligarchs from Russia who hate Putin, because Putin made them pay tax and stopped them raping the country for every cent they could get...

Russia is nothing like communist at the moment, but China is... why is the west only now thinking of using Russia against China.... surely from day one in 1991 when the cold war ended that should have been the plan... use the now democratic Russia to destroy communist China... but western companies were making lots of money with super cheap labour in China....

The west only cares about communism and human rights when it is a suitable weapon to get what they want, which is why I think the west is full of horseshit and wouldn't believe it if it said the sky was blue.

It is unfortunate that a true voter based communism was not implemented. Communism is an economic system. If capitalism can have "pluralistic" politics, then so can communism. I heard somebody a long time ago claim that it was impossible, but no case was made. Proof by assertion is BS.

The reason for the voter based democracy (real not phony) is to reign in the apparatchiks and prevent them from staging the palace coup that
they did in the USSR. The party and the bureaucrats were not really accountable to anyone in the USSR. They were constrained by the system
but they could still destroy it to seize the wealth they craved.

Yeah I find it hilarious people who never lived in the USSR talk as if it was such a wonderful place, when over 90 percent of people who lived in it will tell you how bad it was,

Really goes to show how deluded some people can be from reality.

The real problem is that western people take the word of defectors as to what conditions are like in some countries and the words of defectors includes perhaps genuinely oppressed people, but also criminals who got caught and are running away so they will tell the story they think the west will like... you can't honestly tell me that Syria is better off with Civil war than under the "oppressive Assad Regime"... I have not heard stories of Assad soldiers invading someones home and then forcing a young girl to watch them beat and rape their parents and then rape and then murder her and then play soccer outside the house with her severed head like ISIS did. The moderate peace loving terrorists that cooperate and co-habitate with ISIS are the people the west want to take over in Syria and run the country... no experience, no skills... just criminal gangs run an entire country after they remove from power an brutally murder the existing officials... Yah west... you guys are more indoctrinated than the commies ever were... at least they knew their leaders often told them bullshit, and westerners will say so too but when questioned they repeat the bullshit their media and politicians tell them even though seconds ago they said they don't believe them.


If it was really so intolerable that 90 percent were upset and not happy you would think they could change or would change things... because 90 percent would include the military and police... but of course they really had no idea what living in the west was actually like... all they saw was movies and TV and books and music... probably 90 percent of people in the west probably take anti depressants prescribed by their doctor and honestly don't feel anything at all.

Some mod needs to clean this thread up and send the posts in to the relevant threads in this forum:

Thanks for the advice but I think it is related to this thread so I will leave it.

Western propaganda did not start yesterday, an has a history that is relevant here.

Once more Garry your ignorance astonishes me, the police and military were heavily under the control of the Government. Did you honestly just tell me

So you are saying that the military and police support the government against the wishes of the people... so where did they import the military and the police from if they are not some of the people?

Venezuela showed that the military often sides with the people despite experts in the field doing all the right things needed to overthrow any government they failed because the people actually did support the government.

The issue is how do you tell the difference between rentacrowds and Soros funded BS, and the real will of the people.

Hey... perhaps they could use a vote of some kind?

You can't rely on the local media because it can so easily be influenced by the owners or outside actors... the west has abused the free media so often to bypass democracy that their own media no longer functions properly either...

Just woooooooow, yeah you confirmed for me hands down you know nothing about what life was like in the USSR. Like really? The military was treated very well but the average citizen was treated like crap.

They had conscription so the average citizen was part of the military, and if they wanted to climb up the party ranks they could join, but like most westerners they probably could not give a crap about every day politics which is very important but also very boring.

Interesting you think having a job and getting educated and free healthcare is getting treated like crap because there are therefore a lot of Americans who have lost their jobs due to Covid and because they also lose their health insurance are not able to access Americas amazing health care service so they are in effect without a job and without health cover and perhaps a couple of weeks away from being homeless which makes them worse off than in a communist country...

The USSR has nothing to do with Assad stop trying to redirect and deflect points with silly talking points, Syria isn't even a communist government. The fact you are bringing up Assad alone is just stupid.

Syria shows the freedom the US is trying to spread to third world countries... they can have dictators, but only ones we select because they are our bitches... the problem with Assad is that he wanted to provide a better live for the Syrian people using the oil wealth of the country... what a bastard... no wonder US oil executives hated him...

Lol they couldn't change things, the USSR only allowed elections on paper, they were beyond rigged and hell they allowed you to send in a blank ballot for the CCCP but if you voted for another guy you had to go to a pre-setup booth which they always destroyed afterward. The USSR elected themselves, and the USSR crushed anyone who dared challenge their rules, death, labor camps etc. So much as openly criticizing them would land you in hot water.

Hahahahaha... death, like that Iranian General and Saddam and Gaddafi... labour camps or torture camps like Guantanimo? The CIA supported nutters in central and south america where they would put the leader of the opposition in a full body cast so he could not move and take him up in a helicopter out to open water and threaten to drop him into the water to drown... like they just did to his second in command... yeah... the commies were no angels but please don't try to pretend to me that the west... the Americans and the Brits, were any better.

Say what you want about the west but life in it is 1000x times better then it was in the USSR.

Yeah, the spoils of war and murder have been very good to some in the west, but the blood money was never distributed evenly... some families became enormously rich and powerful.... but most didn't and earned a living like everyone else... except with consumerism and greed things have gone a little too far and the middle class is falling into poverty and struggle too now.

You don't know jack about day to day life in the USSR and again its very well documented how bad it was, so keep talking just making yourself look silly.

Yeah, those poor bastards not getting a vote every 5-7 years.... how they must have suffered not having direct control over who leads them like some 12 year old with a TV remote control... they were gasping for the freedoms we have in the west where politicians are truthful and held accountable and there is so much diversity and choice they would never cross the line of making a promise and then not delivering... I now fully understand what you mean...

You are very deluded from that reality alright, your bias is so bad you literally cannot help yourself I guess.

Perhaps you misread the title of this thread and thought this would be a good place to put some western propaganda.... being a mercenary for big oil I guess it is your job...

I have to applaud your understanding of the reality of this world. Too bad so few people can get past the shallow appearances
based perception and lap up cheese-ball propaganda like God's revelation. The US right is currently convinced that the SJW
mobs associated with BLM are some sort of leftist movement. They are total frauds that are openly backed by US corporations
and George Soros. Why would the oligarchy support supposedly its own enemies in such a persistent matter. Naturally,
they wouldn't.

These identity politics drones who have fully forgotten leftist ideals (social equality based on economics)
and support outright racism such as the claim that blacks can't be racist and that the white boy who was murdered with
a shot to the head by some black killer deserved it because of "white privilege", are divide and conquer elements who will
be flushed down the toilet when the new order arrives.

https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295304119532392448

And you have western celebraties and corporations openly endorsing this racist filth. BTW, the "few bad apples" excuse does not
fly since such incidents are widespread. Including the pack of BLM "protestors" who went into a residential area and shouted for
white residents to leave since the area was supposedly "historically" black. These are the first stages of ethnic cleansing. And
I am sure the original black residents (if this is actually true) were not run out hordes of whites shouting for them to clear out
from a "historically" white neighbourhood. Composition of residential areas changes over the decades and I have not heard about
any ethnic cleansing campaigns in the USA over the last 100 years.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:...Majority of people in Poland who lived under Communism think it was better than the current "freedom & democracy."

Are we talking about same Poland which is basically begging for Uncle Sam to start nuclear war just so they could stick it to the Red Rooskies?

Wait until US collapse and or the dollar cease to be the main currency used worldwide so that US will not be able anymore to print dollars without worries ....

After that Poland, Bulgaria, etc will start offering their services to the next big shoot and will despise US as a prostitute will do if a former client tell her he doesn't have anymore money....

Indeed. Right now these demented clowns are behind the curve. They act like Yanquistan is ascending when it is descending. If I were in their
shoes I would not be waving my fists at Russia. Without Uncle Scumbag these clowns are totally nothing.

It is totally understandable though is it not?

I mean even Germany and Japan and South Korea believe their only chance at peace and remaining free is to have US troops on their territory to protect them from the bad men... which is hilarious considering that Germany and Japan were the bad men...

Not huge surprise though... as I keep saying... western propaganda is strong... but it is still bullshit.

GarryB wrote:It is totally understandable though is it not?

I mean even Germany and Japan and South Korea believe their only chance at peace and remaining free is to have US troops on their territory to protect them from the bad men... which is hilarious considering that Germany and Japan were the bad men...

Not huge surprise though... as I keep saying... western propaganda is strong... but it is still bullshit.

Humans have an unbounded talent to dig themselves into a hole and then stay there by denying to themselves and
everyone else that they are in a hole. Banderastan is a prime example of this.

PolitRussia has been banned by Youtube without any strikes and without an explanation. This is a sample of NATzO "freedom".
People are so stupid. They think that those that bleat about "human rights" and "freedom of expression" are genuinely interested
in them. It is primitive ploy to cover up their real ambitions, which are: power and economic control of the planet. The US
has been involved in the following:

1) Build up of Nazi Germany's war potential by direct construction of factories used for war production. Supply of oil to the
Nazis before 1939 and after throughout the war. Supply of financial services to the Nazis where Prescott Bush was one of
the US bankers to the Nazis. Hiding behind the fact that it was private US corporations such as Ford and IBM doing the
economic support of the Nazis is pure BS. As we saw with the Nord Stream construction, the US is really quick to pressure
private corporations as part of its global control ambitions.

2) Organizing the installation via coup and subsequent support for death squad juntas throughout Latin America and in other
parts of the world, such as in Africa and Oceania (e.g. Indonesia). Then we have the 1953 coup against the democratic
government of Iran for daring to "nationalize" its own oil. Meanwhile the Saudis who did the same thing in the 1970s did
not even get sanctions.

3) Ongoing oppression inside the USA of so called "secessionists" and "militias" that are not breaking any laws. The Branch
Davidians in Waco were demonized as a pedophile operation after the fact. The ATF had no excuse to attack them since
US law and constitution allowed all the "illegal" weapons they possessed. They were singled out to send a signal to all
other Americans who think that they can resist the government (a de facto one party regime in the USA).

4) Excessive incarceration with the US having the highest per capita prisoner population. If ever there was a metric
for oppression this is it. If "totalitarian hell holes" like China have less per capita, then the US has no excuse. Treatment
of prisoners in the USA is bad. The US fake stream media loves to bleat how Russian prisoners doing work in prison is
"slavery" but ignores the fact that the US uses prisoners routinely as work gangs to clean highways and in other ways.
That is, US prisoners are not just sitting in jail. They are made to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States