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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:24 pm

    Baltimore appears to be a special ghetto by US standards. These students are proud they know shit. You can take a horse
    to water, but you cannot make it drink.

    The problem for the US is that this under-education is become mass scale. At this rate the US is going to be a failed state.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:51 am

    Culture has a lot to do with it... when I was at school there was a wide variety of attitudes amongst white kids... the less smart kids were not helped and soon got left behind the rest of the class... and being less smart or not able to understand the teacher properly means there is no way they could catch up.

    The Asian kids in the class were always hard workers and did well, it was a different attitude to education I think.

    Of course for many jobs a good education is a waste of time, and many jobs they don't care what you learned in university... this is how we do it... do it this way.

    It does not help when you are told you are a victim...

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:26 pm

    kvs wrote:I refuse to get a cell phone because it is nothing more than a GPS tracker and spying device. I don't need some NSA clowns
    knowing where I am 24/7. These genetic xenophobes can go and get stuffed.

    How did people live without cell phones 30 years ago? They must have been just live cavemen ... not.

    Human is a social species, not individual species. They need to get in touch with other human to survive in the society and to gather up-to-date news which is neccessary for them to behave and work in the society. Cellphones, smartphones, computers, etc etc provides significant devices enable people to communicate with others, including important communications with family and work colleagues; and also an additional means to get information besides the traditional ones (hardcopy newspaper,...)

    And when most of your working colleagues use cellphones and IT to deliver and receive messages then you have to buy yourself the same type of devices as them to maintain essential contacts with them.

    I would like to say it is a trap that nobody can escape. They know that they are eating sh*t but beside sh*t there is hardly any alternatives to maintain their survival.

    -00000-

    I don't know about IT and privacy on the internet and communication devices, but I dare to suspect that every messages and discussions in this forum have already been known long ago by the authorities or by the companies. Data and information of the users is a very valuable resources which can be used to make money, for example to facilitate advertising, for the very least. The companies and governments will try hard to get that resources to get filthy rich and to outcompete the competitors.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:39 pm

    How easy it is for all the political parties to be turned into globalist stooges.    The notion that discussion of migrant flows is "extremist"
    is itself grotesque extremism.    But it is extremism from posers since none of these globalist maggots would ever host any of the "refugees"
    in their own homes.   Clearly migrants are not all political asylum seekers and even for such seekers why should they get automatic permanent
    residence.  Asylum does not imply immigration.

    Ireland is a small place and the only reason that the economic migrants are so keen to get there is to get the welfare.   They are not coming
    like immigrants to America and Canada 100 years ago to start new lives through their own work.   It is quite legitimate to call such migrants
    moochers and parasites.   But the globalist maggots try to paint them as sacred cows whose motives cannot be questioned and who have
    more rights than the citizens who live in the country already.   Clearly the agenda here is to destroy the societies of the migrant flooded
    countries by ethnic and cultural dilution.   This is a social engineering project by globalist monsters and not "democracy" and "human rights".

    Time for people to grow brains and not be so easily conned by fig leaf drivel about "democracy" and "human rights".   These do not imply most
    of what the globalist monsters are trying to foist on the masses.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:55 am

    It was interesting to watch a leader of the (in name only) British Labour Party yesterday after big protests against bogus asylum seekers being put in 4 star hotels where indigenous Brits are litereally homeless. It was a Pakistani woman (double box checking Neoliberal narrative at work).

    Anyway she was asked on TV whether people should even be allowed to protest immigration. Her reply was that the govt should "communicate the circumstances" of its work. Translation:give people some lies and spin to hide the truth, which would then mean people have NO RIGHT to protest it.

    Clearly we see the 1 party state at work. The so called right want floods of immigrants for cheap subservient Labour.
    The "centre left" want it for the same. The fake left (pretending to represent "working people") want it because immigrants are a core group of theirs. Plus they try and peddle the false narrative that Polish and Pakistani graduates/economic migrants/fraudsters/child rapists/Islamic terrorists/criminal fugitives etc are some sort of "poor oppressed group". Of course the politicians are all liars together. A puppet show by the controlling forces.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:45 am

    The so called right want floods of immigrants for cheap subservient Labour.

    Which means on the outside they pretend to promote the anti-immigrant rhetoric but at the inside they continue to let the immigrant flow into the country and, of course, let the shady, slave-driving companies to use immigrant manpower as cheap labour.

    The purpose of ultranationalist, facist rhetoric against immigrants is NOT to stop the immigrants, but to intensify the conflict between local communities and immigrants, so that the immigrants are basically isolated and more vulnerable to exploitation from the shady companies. It also means to break the potential alliance between local and migrated workers in the struggle for wages and labour rights.

    In short... everything is the fault of these black, brown, yellow, Ukrainian, Muslim people, not because of the people in power who openly/tacitly allow the flow of immigrants.

    For the current immigrant crisis due to the conflicts in Ukraine, we commonly see on the social networks and the mainstream media about (1) evil Putin cause miserable to Ukrainian people or (2) Ukrainian asylum seekers are a bunch of parasites  a**hole. But nobody tell us about how the civilized Western garden, for a long long time, has been exploited cheap labour from Ukraine and how human trafficking is rampaging to serve the cheap labour needs of Western capitalists.

    On the other hand, the fake left and the USA lib-tards are also a bunch of hypocrite who pretend to side with the immigrants. But in fact they want to prolong the pathetic and dependent situation of the poors and the immigrants so that these people will have to be, forever, become the voters for the fake left because they have no choice and will never escape from that honeytrap.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:09 am

    The purpose of ultranationalist, facist rhetoric against immigrants is NOT to stop the immigrants, but to intensify the conflict between local communities and immigrants, so that the immigrants are basically isolated and more vulnerable to exploitation from the shady companies. It also means to break the potential alliance between local and migrated workers in the struggle for wages and labour rights.

    Your perspective is extremely communist ideology heavy.
    It is not a note but an observation.
    We have a quite big Vietnamese community here. No idea where are they all came from and when, never researched the issue.
    They adapt quite easily. My kids have at least a few Vietnamese-origin friends at school.
    Most of them run their own businesses, so it is hard to consider them interested in any kind of "alliance in labor rights".
    I can only guess that you are applying some bad experiences from wild countries like the USA or something.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:28 am

    About the nationalist rhetoric towards immigrants; we had it in Russia particularly throughout the 90s and 2000s, and some of it for sure was grassroots, some of it stemmed from business competition between Russian 'biznesmen' and Caucasian/etc.., but a lot was from the top and its not a matter of communist ideology to say that the elites were interested in isolating this huge amount of Central Asian migrant workers from from Russian society and exploiting them for cheap labour.
    Those same skinhead gangs and others; they simply disappeared in the mid-2000s. The police finally decided to bust the most active ones. Yet I suspect it was their funding that dried up as well. And what was the police so busy with beforehand anyhow?

    Does this sort of thing go on in the most advanced capitalist societies today? No and it doesn't in Russia these days either. It's ultimately bad for both business and society as many of these people end up settling, and then you end up with social ills and crime if they're too poor, and ethnic conflicts meanwhile are bad all-round. Part of the reason why today you can instead see all this propaganda of inclusivity and ethnic diversity in an increasing amount of countries, particularly those that have come to rely on immigration.

    In fact the impetus is to increase immigration not so much as a temporary source of exploited cheap labour, but as a permanent process that can on the one hand, keep labour costs manageable by means of ensuring a surplus of it, and on the other hand, keep the populations of these countries rising even while their natural birthrates are in decline.. an expanding population after all is key to a growing economy and internal market.
    There are some variations on the theme. Canada for example, runs a racket on immigrant skilled labour; such as programmers, engineers, doctors, etc.. portraying itself as a paradise of plenty; but for the immigrants in question, while their salaries are high, the matching cost of expenses do not let them enjoy such, and the price of property makes owning a home practically out of reach. The only people who can really live in plenty in Canada are the families who have lived for a couple of generations there at least and who have property there.



    I should bring up another phenomenon today though that we see specifically in only the West, and it may or may not be related.
    While ethnic diversity is a checkbox to check and racism is roundly frowned upon, we witness the seditious practice of simultaneously dividing people by race, sexual preference, fake-gender and other lines and then set them upon each other in a battle royale competition for privileges, with all sorts of historical grievances and inflated accusations being used as ammunition in this battle.
    And it achieves pretty much the same thing as the past practice of outright amplifying native nationalism did in society, only without the violence (for the most part). The end result is division and the stratification of the population, not according to social-economic lines, but just some fake nonsense, and a distraction for people much like the UFO story in the US right now is distracting people from the developing Nord Stream story, the record-breaking federal budget deficit and other things.
    However, the employment of the organizations that promote such divisions, such as the BLM movement which had Soros's fingerprints all over it - as an instrument of internal political struggle as we saw in the US in 2020 - complicates the analysis. We have a method of divide-and-rule that is truly multimodal in its application, with its utility in not only misdirecting the population, but also internal politics, international ideology, and other matters.


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    Post  Firebird Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:14 pm

    This is my view on the immigration situation in Russia. Please note I don't live in Russia, so people can treat my opinions as whatever. I'm making these comments speaking to Russian citizens and also nations of the Central Asian states who live/d in Russia. And speaking as someone half Russian by blood.

    Integration seemed pretty straightforward in the USSR.
    Once the Central Asian/other republics broke away, things changed.

    After all, why are these Central Asians saying being part of Russia is "not good enough for them"? But at the same time they are flooding into Russia for high wages, and often profiteer from criminality.

    I think Tajikistan has 50% of its GDP from remittances (ie wages sent back from Russia). Yet refuses to be part of Russia and even flirts with American bases/American puppet leaders and anti Russian policies from time to time.

    Put simply, you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Once half or so of the Pukraine is in the Eurasian Union (ie Christian and Russian) it will be easier to maintain the identity balance in the Union. This should allow for a more cohesive and settled Eurasian Union. This should in turn make the immigrant/Eurasian situation easier to manage as a whole.

    PS I also think there should  be management of the population across Russia/the Russian World. You can't have everyone flooding into one area.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:37 am

    The real irony is that it is often the local communities that promote and help and benefit from illegal immigration.

    Whether it is Pakistanis or Indians or any other ethnic group they will often smuggle family and friends or just people who pay to come to the west... and of course being illegals they can't get legal work so they have no where to stay, nothing to eat and no chance to get a job.

    Well the people who smuggled you can sell you accommodation and food and you can work it off... once you have worked it off you can then try to make your way... but you never quite pay it off... costs go up faster than wages... and the criminals get cheap labour that wont go to the local authorities or they will be sent home and lose everything.

    Of course the locals understand what is happening... Here in New Zealand during Covid we suddenly found out that poor people from the Pacific Islands and also Russians and Ukrainians would work here... picking fruit and on farms in the former group and on fishing boats in the latter group... because the locals wont work for such poor wages and poor conditions.

    An accepted type of slavery.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:50 pm

    This sums up the malaise in those western countries that exported their factories. This is a post on the linked thread. Interesting article by the way.

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    Worked with a Russian fellow. Been a couple years since, but he talked about there are many small mom and pop tank and armor, weapons and ammo shops, the Russian procurement system contracts work to. Such as small outfits who install upgrade kits on late T65, T70s and R80s, ot they will do a bunch pf final fit up, or install reactive armor kits, lot of shops employ ladies and babooshkas who do the intricate painstaking and detailing things, he said similar with ammo and small arms components. Makes common sense, used to be similar in the US, I grew up and worked 47 years as a welder, a lot of it in aerospace and .mil contract shops, when we used to manufacture things in this country, small shops are what makes big production possible, its similar in the automotive and truck industry till the tarrif/offshore wealth transfer treaty rackets started.

    But whats really critical and you almost never hear of it because being a makere and a craftsman in skilled trade has been so long looked down on now since the 70's, os institutional knowledge of the skilled labor trades, you lose that it requires decades to recreate it. Probably more time now because so many have forgotten what an axe, a shovel, and a Rifle are for, to coin a phrase. Besides the corporate vulturism and class structure begin in the 80's, if you did not go to colledge you where dirt, and they did everything to diminish the labor value of skilled labor, and it was nothing to do with any union stuff, this was flat out comdpiracy across corporate America to set the cheapest pay rates they would all stick with in order to create rea;;y low wages because no longer was there any compotition for say a skilled welder like me, every ridgid tube assembly house, be it GE's engine shop in Hookset NH or PanAm's at JFK, they all paid the same wage, same if you would go to a general metal fab job shop, same with tool and die guys, or precision sheetmetal fabricators, after awhile no one wanted a career in these trades, they paid just above survival wages.

    So there is that and believe you me, it matters more than a lot of things, you dont have a skilled workforce you dont make much of anything.

    My last welding gig was in a premier rocket and jet engine tube assembly shop, to do weldments they have to have certified fusion welders, i was the only old hand there, lot of years there, one day the big cheese comes asks me how can the company get any skilled welders, nobody shows up to job fares or answers adds. Told him outright, the pay sucks for welders, nobody wants to be one because of it, few weeks later I get a $10 dollar hour raise unasked, shows up in my paycheck, and they ask me to become a weld teacher for the company, train green employees how to weld, but other than a couple old guys like me, they still could not get new welders with a pretty decent payrate increase. They just could not get it. Skilled labor, true cradt labor, its a culture thing and a tradition thing and it was destroyed by globo=peedo to squeeze the last buck out of America, i watched it happen.

    That was trhe conversation with this Russian fellow, we where talking about the various reades in each of our countries, and it was clear to me Russia never lost that institutional/time honored traditions in trades and skills and makers crafts, all those people are no more there is no legacy here in the US, but we sure did have it in my lifetime in America, just like Russia still has. The west is Kaput, I could see it in the early 90's coming, for the reasons above. And all the implications.

    Russia can never be defeated now, not because of manufacturing might but because of spirit, because its a nation made up of men and woman who not only know what an axe a shovel and a Rifle is for, they are good folks who appreciate what those things are for and more so those who know how to use them. The manufacturing might and capacity follows.

    Those ladies putting upgrade kits on tanks and BMPs, they put Love into them, O'm not shitting about it, its love because people like that when they put their labor into it, they do so because, it ain't gonna fail because of me, mentality and mindset.

    Its something the satanists despise as nothing else and destroying that in a productive prosperous happy nation is the prime directive. All that you ain't shit unless you go tocalledge was class and culture warfare/pogrom. To wreck what was gear about America.

    And you can't turn it back on like lights in a new factory no matter what you do or throw money at. That stuff came with the founding of America. It built this country. It is men in suits who destroyed it after men in a pair of dungarees and wotk boots created it, (woman included too absolutely).


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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:47 am

    Ironically the west worships the Kardashians but then if they worshipped the men that got them to the moon that would be worshipping nazis.

    You can name 1,000s of mediocre singers and actors and their songs and films and TV shows, but science and technology and engineering, most people don't know and don't care.

    I saw a UK comedy programme where they got serious for a bit and were talking about how not funny the Germans are and they mention that it was engineers that were respected in Germany... which was used to explain their traditions regarding various things like tanks and rifles and engines etc etc... but without cheap energy what is going to happen to their industry now?

    The US is importing all of the EUs craftsmen... or just some of them I wonder...

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    Post  Tolstoy Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:00 am

    GarryB wrote:Whether it is Pakistanis or Indians or any other ethnic group they will often smuggle family and friends or just people who pay to come to the west... and of course being illegals they can't get legal work so they have no where to stay, nothing to eat and no chance to get a job.
    These third world people like Indians and Pakistanis mass migrate to advanced countries in order to reduce the local population to a minority. Strong action needs to be initiated to stop this, including the use of lethal force. Unfortunately Russia is heading in this same direction, that's why you see millions of people of colour, across Russia who are all migrants, mostly illegal.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:12 am

    These third world people like Indians and Pakistanis mass migrate to advanced countries in order to reduce the local population to a minority.

    Oh please. People are busy making money to make their ends meet. Food, electric and water bill, milk for baby, school fee, textbook, medicine,... many thing to care for.

    Nobody have time to even think of your conspiracy plan.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:40 am

    Tolstoy here exaggerated a bit and sometimes expresses his opinion like a racist, however it is true that there is a lot of push from media and sometimes from the authorities to increase the importance of ethnicities other than the main inhabitants from a country.

    In France they were doing it since many decades and there were also many articles singing praises of metissage, (more or less translated as "misgenation", even if in those articles they were presenting  it only with positive features).

    In England is also now more typical to find couple ads where the man is from a other than white ethnicity while the woman is white. There has been a push from "above" to emasculated men, especially white men.

    The problem is not only about the ethnicity, but also about culture, as most of the (in many cases illegal) migrants have no intention to learn or respect the local culture.

    The other issue is that it is often true that immigrants (not only from other continents, but sometimes also from other countries with lower living standards) accept job conditions that would be absolutely a "no go" for the locals.

    In some cases those are practically illegal work conditions and they ruin the possibility of having a normal job and normal life for the lower class.

    Practically many or the welfare conquests of the last decades are often destroyed from this.

    For higher end jobs there are sometimes (i.e. in Germany) checks from work councils that do not allow a company to hire a foreigner for a lower wage than what is in the typical range for that job, in order not to do have wage dumping. (E.g. you can only hire a foreigner if it is preferable for that job for his competencies, not because he accepts a lower wage or worse working conditions).

    However I doubt this is done for the lower end jobs and so many poor people cannot find a job unless they accept working conditions and wages that are every year worsening, basically not allowing them to have a normal life. The governments often prefer to offset this by paying benefits or "burgergeld" but this only creates more issues.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:56 pm


    This person says that when a programmer earns 6200 Canadian dollars in Canada after taxes, almost all of this amount will be spent on current expenses. In turn, here in Russia, I have a salary of about 3,500 Canadian dollars after taxes, and my cost part, including ALL expenses, does not exceed the level of 1,700-1,800 Canadian dollars. That is, at the current salary level, I can live without embarrassing myself in expenses and save about half of my earnings. At the same time, I do not work in the IT field, and I do not even have a diploma of higher education. As for the level of taxes, I calculated that last year I paid the state about 7.3% of the amount of my earnings. All my earnings are completely legal, and I do not evade taxes. Actually, I can legally keep this level of taxes up to the average size of my monthly salary of 4200 Canadian dollars. If my annual income exceeds the amount of 50,000 Canadian dollars, I will have to switch to another tax regime, for example, get the status of an Individual entrepreneur, who will have a tax rate of 6% plus some mandatory insurance premiums (about $ 800 per year and 1% of income exceeding 300,000 rubles) for earnings limits about 200 million rubles (3.6 million Canadian dollars) per year. That is, in Russia, you can legally pay 7% tax on annual income up to 3.6 million Canadian dollars.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:34 pm

    There is a reason why the propaganda in the west about how great life is there and sucks everywhere else is so overwhelming.
    It is pure corruption by the system and ruling elites. They milk western serfs or wage slaves and need to keep those slaves
    believing that other options are not available. The amount of hate spew in Canada and the rest of the NATzO west against
    the rest of the world is insane. Of course it has special targets such as Russia but everything outside of NATzO is a "toilet".
    The truth is that NATzO itself is a toilet. A borderline Orwellian toilet transitioning into an outright Orwellian one.

    "You will own nothing and be happy" is the brainwash slogan of the rent seeking parasites who run the west. Note the progression
    to outright rent for products you already bought and paid for. Like the need to keep paying a fee for software and now for car
    functionality features. The open discussion of digital currency is really about the ability to forcibly remove your money for any
    pretext. I expect that soon there will be a savings fee instead of bank interest. The bank interest is now basically zero and
    the next step is for you to pay rent on your own money. I hear often how banks consider personal savings to be some sort
    of risk so you should pay them to keep your money. This is the twisting of the bank accounting where loans are assets and
    savings are liabilities. No bank can exist without deposits even in the fractional reserve banking system. But these maggots
    want you to pay for giving them a "liability".

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:41 pm

    Tolstoy here exaggerated a bit and sometimes expresses his opinion like a racist, however it is true that there is a lot of push from media and sometimes from the authorities to increase the importance of ethnicities other than the main inhabitants from a country.

    Because the ruling class, or at least parts of it, want to portray themselves as "progressive", "for the people", "for justice" to gain favour of the voters. Therefore they will call for hollow ideas and policies that is progressive or popular on the outside, but change nothing at the inside.

    For example they allow male flight attendants to use mascara, make-up, to wear skirt, or whatever sexual deviants in the name of freedom.

    But when people demand wage rise or protest about inflation, the ruling class become completely silent. They even behave like Rishi Sunak, threaten to use violence against the workers who are just demanding a living wage.

    There is no conspiracy about reduce the local population to a minority or whatever. There is just only ruling people pretend to solve everything but in fact solve nothing. Because they enjoy their life at the expense of other's misery.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:27 am

    These third world people like Indians and Pakistanis mass migrate to advanced countries in order to reduce the local population to a minority.

    They migrate away from their home country because they are not happy there for what ever reason, be it political or religious or economic.... the same as white people have been leaving Europe for centuries to find something new and different too... and doing their best to be successful... which generally involved stealing land and resources from the locals by pretending it had no value and then holding it with a steel grip once it was in their possession and forcing the former owners of the land to be their land peasants and do all the work to keep them rich.

    Strong action needs to be initiated to stop this, including the use of lethal force.

    Absolutely agree... the poor around the world should rise up and kill the rich... which is very funny and very ironic from your perspective because in the third world and the first world the excessively rich in most countries are white people.

    Most of central and south America and Asia, it was not the natives that accumulated wealth the fastest... it was white land owners that created harsh conditions for the workers that helped them deliver product to the markets and made them their fortunes...

    Lets say anyone with more than 5 million dollars is a greedy bastard and should be brutally murdered by the masses and their wealth and land be given to the poorest people.

    Unfortunately Russia is heading in this same direction, that's why you see millions of people of colour, across Russia who are all migrants, mostly illegal.

    I rather suspect a lot of those people recognise Russia as being a safe place to go to that has law and order and is less overtly racist than the US clearly is where black people get shot every day by the police they called for help... this is an indicator that Russia is heading in the right direction, but they just need to make sure their new citizens are educated to know what Russian culture is and how to behave to get along. Everyone who behaves should be treated with the same respect... those that misbehave or work for foreign powers to try to damage Russia should be kicked out and not let back.

    Tolstoy here exaggerated a bit and sometimes expresses his opinion like a racist, however it is true that there is a lot of push from media and sometimes from the authorities to increase the importance of ethnicities other than the main inhabitants from a country.

    Mass immigration always creates problems... it is something the west has been inflicting on the rest of the world for decades... but rest assured for the racists, it is western policies that rule... 500 years of superior white brains going to the third world and they are still the third world, so 40 years of inferior brown brains moving to the west can't destroy it in such a short time period.

    For non racist people... it is western powers that are in control and for the last 500 years they have created international structures and organisations that ensure the west stays rich and gets richer and the rest of the world get poorer and have no real future other than as a larder for the wests future goods.

    The good news is that the west has gone feral and in its angry blind lashing out at Russia and China for not bending to their authority they have done more to damage their control of these international entities than anything Xi or Putin could have managed on their own or together, and they continue to make things worse.

    The west is declining and of course the racists want to blame all the blacks arriving to their shores because that is what a racist is... someone who blames everyone else for their problems. It is also what a western politician does as well and both claim to have the solution, but because they don't understand the problem their solutions are always wrong anyway.

    Fortunately the only way to save the west is for them to surrender and say... look we were wrong... we need to treat every country with respect even if we don't agree with them, and we need to trade and deal with countries fairly without trying to punish them for things we don't approve of... but that will never happen so the world is going to be fine.

    The US dollar will collapse and they will have to find some other way to earn money... that big military of theirs will collapse under its own weight because they can't steal enough to keep it the size it is... they used to just print money and borrow... who is going to lend them money when their money to pay you back is worthless?

    How many Americans will fight and die in wars for food and lodgings that have nothing to do with protecting the US and are more like a train robbery to steal from others?

    For higher end jobs there are sometimes (i.e. in Germany) checks from work councils that do not allow a company to hire a foreigner for a lower wage than what is in the typical range for that job, in order not to do have wage dumping. (E.g. you can only hire a foreigner if it is preferable for that job for his competencies, not because he accepts a lower wage or worse working conditions).

    Sounds like something Finland needs with all those Ukrainians working in bad conditions and for poor wages...

    There is no conspiracy about reduce the local population to a minority or whatever. There is just only ruling people pretend to solve everything but in fact solve nothing. Because they enjoy their life at the expense of other's misery.

    Keep the masses happy by deflection and distraction... seen any UFOs recently... takes your mind off underwater terrorism...

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:01 am

    higurashihougi wrote:(...)
    But when people demand wage rise or protest about inflation, the ruling class become completely silent. They even behave like Rishi Sunak, threaten to use violence against the workers who are just demanding a living wage.

    There is no conspiracy about reduce the local population to a minority or whatever. There is just only ruling people pretend to solve everything but in fact solve nothing. Because they enjoy their life at the expense of other's misery.

    I agree with the first part of your post.
    Not completely with the last part.

    The "destruction" of the local population has precise aim.
    With different groups and ethnicity, each one with its own culture and not amalgamated, it is much simpler to control them. Furthermore it will be much more difficult to perceive solidarity and help from your neighbours in that case.
    Everyone will be an enemy and the elites can easily continue to rule and steal money from the population.

    We are not talking about the case of a "good empire", that in order to work has to have a uniting culture. Here we are talking about putting together different groups of people against each other and often organising laws and policies in order for them to perceive each other as an enemy.

    Furthermore I do not like that there is a push to uniform the culture in the whole world.

    I like to have my own culture and I like to know that when I go as a visitor in another country I can appreciate something different, and it is not like every place is a copy of las Vegas.

    Just an example if I go in corea or in Japan i want to see their culture and not the American one, but I do not want Italy to become like them (except maybe one or two restaurants and a nice Easter style Garden in the bigger cities).

    For me being a "citizen of the world" means being interested in other cultures, trying to understand them, maybe going and experience living or traveling in another place respecting the local culture and possibly learning the language, laws and customs (and without forgetting my own), and not uniforming everything or destroying my own culture in my own country because I need to be respectful of the invading illegal migrants.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:55 am

    Russia is not full of 'millions of people of colour' who are all migrants, as Tolstoy no doubt imagines; for he doesn't reside here in the country for sure

    I mean among visible foreigners it has has a lot of Central Asians, people from other ex-Soviet states such as Azerbaijan or Armenia, and the occasional immigrant from further abroad such as Africa or the Middle East or Latin America, typically people who stayed in Russia after completing their studies here. In recent years the number of these immigrants from outside the ex-USSR has been increasing, but we're still not talking about a large number here.
    Although Russia has a significant amount of Indian students (20-25k), the overwhelming majority of them return to India after studies, they are patriotic people in general. Also, even the amount of Indian students Russia has while being the 3rd or so highest Indian student population in Europe - is dwarfed by the amount of Indian students in the US or Canada, both at over 200,000.
    Our Chinese and Vietnamese communities have not grown over the last 10-15 years; these countries have been developing faster than Russia itself has, and while Russia is still richer and more developed on average - people who want to emigrate from these Asian states or others just go to places like the US/Canada/Australia where the pay is higher than in Russia and they would be able to send more money back to their families.

    On the whole, most Western European countries, nevermind the US, Canada and Australia - have more 'people of color' descending from immigrants or being recent immigrants as a proportion of their population; than Russia has.
    Russia has some Asian people and Muslims native to its own territory, but then those are hardly immigrants.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:42 pm

    The "destruction" of the local population has precise aim.
    With different groups and ethnicity, each one with its own culture and not amalgamated, it is much simpler to control them. Furthermore it will be much more difficult to perceive solidarity and help from your neighbours in that case.
    Everyone will be an enemy and the elites can easily continue to rule and steal money from the population.

    A shrinking workforce is counterproductive to economic growth (i.e. capitalism whether national or global), which yes has in the past profited from 'favouring' the native-born population and exploiting foreign-born labour - but that was at a time when birthrates were above replacement rates everywhere and the workforce was constantly expanding even without immigration.

    These days however immigration is not a luxury but a necessity. Throughout this century, if current world demographic trends hold (although this shouldn't be assumed), you will see more and more countries switch to being a 'nation of immigrants' as their model. In fact they will actually start to compete amongst themselves for world immigrant flows. Because birth rates are actually plummeting everywhere. In Europe they are low, but not as low as in East Asia - countries which are already feeling the strain and unless they invent cheap multirole robots soon to replace their aging workforces; will have to start accepting immigrants too and adapting their national identity and ideologies to suit.
    In the Middle East birth-rates are falling, India, Latin America - although they are still above replacement level.
    They are highest in the world in Africa and will remain high there yet, but too are starting to decrease as the populations there continue to urbanize and middle classes build up.

    The West is simply ahead of the game here in terms of coming up with a new national idea and encouraging immigration; the 'global village'. But other countries are following suit with their own models. Russia which has accepted the multi-ethnic component of the globalist trends as its similar enough to its Soviet-era friendship of the peoples anyway, and has opened up for skilled immigration from beyond the ex-USSR. Saudi Arabia/Emirates which are focusing on encouraging immigration from Muslim countries. Poland which is encouraging Americans & Western Europeans to come, Ukrainians of course, basically anyone white & Christian. Israel of course like the West is ahead of the game; it has focused on drawing immigration from the world's Jewish communities, and now the coronation of new ancient communities of Jews in places such as Ethiopia or India as the old sources run dry. And so on.

    As you can see this whole phenomenon stems from the imperatives of economics, and the ideology either stems from that, or exists in parallel but merely accelerates it - it doesn't invent the hunger for immigration itself.
    The ideology is mainly needed for internal use. For the Western/globalist case - mixing people up and then stratifying them into a social hierarchy based on race/sexual orientation/678 gender identities is a more optimal system of control, than the aforementioned natives vs immigrants which just brings constant headaches and unpleasant surprises such as Brexit, that the globalist elites in London were not counting on. So yes, the intention is to get rid of the very concept of an indigenous people eventually - this concept does not conflict with national capitalism, but very much is counterproductive to the economic growth model of global capitalism, with the open borders and everything else.
    Of course you do need some sort of unifying ideology to bind this diverse set of people to; and this is where this global-homo, ecology, 'democracy' mix comes in, as a new religion in all essence.

    For what concerns the Western 'global village' model, it would be fine, and no worse than the Russian, Saudi, etc.. immigration models, were it not for the fact that the West is also starting to wield this concept in international relations too and impose its value system among other things on others through Soros-revolutions or political pressure.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:08 am

    I like to have my own culture and I like to know that when I go as a visitor in another country I can appreciate something different, and it is not like every place is a copy of las Vegas.

    When I was a kid one of the TV programmes we used to watch were the David Attenborough programmes about wildlife and other cultures... now it is all gameshows and celebrities on Survivor... a show where everyone lives...

    People from the west travel to visit other western places these days... they want comfort and entertainment without having to learn a new language or different culture...

    Of course the vast majority of people in the west don't travel anyway and of those that do most are looking for confirmation that the west is the best.

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