Decline of the western society #2

higurashihougi wrote:
Does these look like they are waiting for state handouts for you ?

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They are working days and nights, even doing menial jobs to raise their family and you accuse them of waiting for state handout ?

How can you be so ignorant and heartless like that ?

Why don't you release yourself from the closet and see how the working class are fending off ?

No handouts??
And you call yourselves communists?,... pathetic.  
Do you even have child support?

Where do you get that definition of socialism ?

Which book tell you that communism have a state ?

Have you ever read a single word of Marx, Engels or Lenin about socialism or communism ?

I don't give a damn about semantics, is your ideology pursuing "equality" or nowadays ""equity" for the nation, than there you have it.

Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Egalitarianism, they all pursue utopian equality one way or another.

And they all lead to the same infertility, as well as the wrong end of a firing squad.

AlfaT8 wrote:No handouts??
And you call yourselves communists?,... pathetic.
Do you even have child support?

Don't try to avoid the question.

Are these women a the type of people who rely on man support and "aim for 20% top" that you accuse them ?

Yes or no. Answer.

AlfaT8 wrote:Sorry, but a fertilty rate of 1.9, well it's not even a fight.

Call me when you have a fertility of at least 3, then we will discuss your queen.

Is it hard to acknowledge the truth that your self-proclaimed superior male humans was subordinated to a woman ?

AlfaT8 wrote:Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Egalitarianism, they all pursue utopian equality one way or another.

And they all lead to the same infertility, as well as the wrong end of a firing squad.

What book tell you that Fascism pursue equality ?

Do you know that Fascism favour patriarchal society and emphasize hierarchy ?

Does the Leggi Razziali look like equality to you ?

I don't know that the sexism parties have such an acute shortage of manpower that they resort to enlist ignorant people.

higurashihougi wrote:
Don't try to avoid the question.

Are these women a the type of people who rely on man support and "aim for 20% top" that you accuse them ?

Yes or no. Answer.

Let me make this clear, i don't give a damn about your exceptions, the Rule is clear, Women in general avoid taking responsibility as much as they can, and will either vote for a Authoritarian, welfare and police state or submit to a man.

Is it hard to acknowledge the truth that your self-proclaimed superior male humans was subordinated to a woman ?

Well once the society falls nature will correct itself.
There is no avoiding patriarchy, it only a question of how bad it's going to be.

What book tell you that Fascism pursue equality ?

Do you know that Fascism favour patriarchal society and emphasize hierarchy ?

Does the Leggi Razziali look like equality to you ?

I don't know that the sexism parties have such an acute shortage of manpower that they resort to enlist ignorant people.

A yes, Fascism pursues it by exclusively to those who share blood of the land, equality for locals only.

That's nice, in that case you might solve the fertility, but not the firing squads.
Still gonna get that authoritarian police state.

Who cares if i am wrong about "zee fascismo", the order still stands, women are the problem destroying the West.
They are the driving force of Globo-homo and their "equal rights" is the driving force of fertility decline across the globe.
There is no 2 ways around that.

AlfaT8 wrote:Let me make this clear, i don't give a damn about your exceptions, the Rule is clear, Women in general avoid taking responsibility as much as they can, and will either vote for a Authoritarian, welfare and police state or submit to a man.

There are billions of "exceptions" from Asia to America which is very visible to anyone who do not live in a closet and clouded by prejudice.

You are the one who fail to provide any solid evidence to prove your accusation against women in general.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Is it hard to acknowledge the truth that your self-proclaimed superior male humans was subordinated to a woman ?

Well once the society falls nature will correct itself.
There is no avoiding patriarchy, it only a question of how bad it's going to be.

Patriarchy has been retracting everywhere and I am waiting to see your self-proclaimed "nature" to correct it.

AlfaT8 wrote:A yes, Fascism pursues it by exclusively to those who share blood of the land, equality for locals only.

Again what book tell you that Fascism pursue equality ?

Do you know that Fascism favour patriarchal society and emphasize hierarchy ?

AlfaT8 wrote:Still gonna get that authoritarian police state.

Oh and you call that "equality" in fascism ?

AlfaT8 wrote:Socialism, Communism, Fascism, the ideologies that promise the utopian vision of equality under the state.

And by the way you have not answer my question which book tell you that communism have a state ?

Do you understand what is a state and how a state arise ?

AlfaT8 wrote:I don't give a damn about semantics, is your ideology pursuing "equality" or nowadays ""equity" for the nation, than there you have it.

Are you proud that you are blabbering nonsense about socialism or fascism without any understand of the concepts, definitions, or basic knowledge ?

AlfaT8 wrote:Who cares if i am wrong about "zee fascismo", the order still stands, women are the problem destroying the West.

Destroying what ?

Destroying your world of male supremacy by increasingly being the bread-winner of the family ?

higurashihougi wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Let me make this clear, i don't give a damn about your exceptions, the Rule is clear, Women in general avoid taking responsibility as much as they can, and will either vote for a Authoritarian, welfare and police state or submit to a man.

There are billions of "exceptions" from Asia to America which is very visible to anyone who do not live in a closet and clouded by prejudice.

You are the one who fail to provide any solid evidence to prove your accusation against women in general.

Your fertility rate is 1.9.
Your exceptions don't matter.

I don't give a damn about your delusions of you Queens, the fact that women continuously vote for free shit and further empower governments, is evidence enough.

Patriarchy has been retracting everywhere and I am waiting to see your self-proclaimed "nature" to correct it.

Finally an admission, yes it retracting everywhere and look, the fertility rates fall, it's so goddamn hilarious.

I still remember the numerous articles on how to solve "over-population" you just need to "empower women".

But now that we are dealing with a population decline, suddenly everyone is dead silent, no one wants to point out the obvious.

It's Goddamn hilarious.  

Again what book tell you that Fascism pursue equality ?

Do you know that Fascism favour patriarchal society and emphasize hierarchy ?

Not falling for your little trap-card.

That said, fascists always demand that the welfare be for them and not the outsider, except it is that very welfare that's causing infertility.

Oh and you call that "equality" in fascism ?

Since it's National Socialism, i expect the socialist components to still be there.

And by the way you have not answer my question which book tell you that communism have a state ?

Do you understand what is a state and how a state arise ?

Who cares, they all espouse equality, but deliver tyranny instead.

Communism means that you are a slave to the state, so F that ideology and all its branches.

Are you proud that you are blabbering nonsense about socialism or fascism without any understand of the concepts, definitions, or basic knowledge ?

Blablabla, my authoritarian ideology.

Damn them all.

Destroying what ?

Destroying your world of male supremacy by increasingly being the bread-winner of the family ?

Yes, and remember men are the ones keeping society working, without them, you Fall.

AlfaT8 relax he is a solid guy. I loathe communism and fascism and all 18th century industrial era godless isms myself but higurashihougi seems at least to be of the older style sort of vietnamese communist and at least debates from a framework of reason unlike the bubble locked, out of touch new left commies here in the west who have taken it nigh unto demonic extremes of subversion and under handedness.

Remember the vietnamese are wary of the chicoms and all other large states trying to control them and have a different history than a lot of commie states.

higurashihougi there are good reasons why communism is hated by many in the west. It isnt mere propaganda. The notion of the abolition of private property hits to the very core of the matter. It citizens cannot be trusted to be property owners than those citizens are servile beings indeed who live under the whims of the state, and inevitably the unsavory avatar of that state, which is almost always accompanied by the cults of personality often seen in communist countries.

There is an old quote usually sourced to good old GK Chesterton. "When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything". When God is forgotten in the hearts of men, that vacuum is inevitably filled by the state and the leaders of the state. Think now of a superstate controlling most of the globe, nearly all communication, nearly all wealth, etc. You will see that those refusing to join the state aligned 0arty will have their "privileges" removed. No travel, only essential foods, limited communication, no capabilities of private purchase outside very confined lines. Then this state might gather thousands of intellectuals in social psychology and find means of mental control. Language would be reduced to a size of say 1500 words. Notions of norms and ethics would be completely redefined to social hygiene, and obedience to the state. Technology will be used to track movements and behavior. Even our thoughts ultimately will be monitored. Those with enough social points detracted will be sent away for reeducation. Those considered recalcitrant will be quietly euthanized like an animal.

This is the future. And no not just with a communist state but also fascism or crony neocon/neolib controlled capitalism. This is the future where God and liberty of the individual person and the worth of the individual is erased.

I just don't care anymore TMA1.

I just point out what the driving force of all this nonsense is, it's the women voting for it, every poll in existence have pointed to this fact, women vote for leftist, socialist policies, and are the main factor responsible for the Wests decline and transition into Authoritarianism.
Women are the achilles' heel of Egalitarianism, and sadly the majority have made egalitarianism their "sacred cow" that must never be questioned,..fools.

Women's rights are also the reason for the fertility decline, as the West demands countries change their policies in order to do business with the West, the American empire pushed them to further empower women in the delusion that this was "progress" or this will "enrich" these countries as it did the West.
Now we see that it's all a lie.
They just vote for more welfare and more government

As for higurashihougi, he just looks like another White Knight to me, the usual "defend ma' ladies honor" nonsense.

Another day, another White knight.

Let me make this clear, i don't give a damn about your exceptions, the Rule is clear, Women in general avoid taking responsibility as much as they can, and will either vote for a Authoritarian, welfare and police state or submit to a man.

The problem I have with what you are saying is that if you take that statement... women are lazy and will take a free ride if they can get it... pretty much applies to all westerners no matter what their gender.

Just saw a skit by that Rogan guy talking about the Epstein case and he points out... quite fairly I think... that Epstein was a man who was essentially selling roles in big movies for sexual favours and that he (Rogan) as a man and a father is horrified and disgusted at what that man did... a clear abuse of his position... but if Epstein was an unattractive woman and was selling roles in big movies for sex he would tell his out of work actor sons to bite the bullet and do what they have to to get the role...



Women are seen as weak victims and men are seen as fools... some teacher screws a student and everyone is upset... it is abuse... no details needed... the male teacher took advantage of that sweet innocent pretty little girl... what... it was a female teacher and a boy student... and the female teacher was really really hot... now the women are still upset, but most of the men are thinking... you dog... good on you for nailing that hot teacher.

Girls are weak victims and boys are not.

But that is perception... in reality there are weak girls and there are weak boys, but there are also girls who are out for everything they can get... look at the Epstein accusers... most of them you never heard of... is that a surprise?

Now they are getting their ten minutes of fame.

Epstein was just another director with a casting couch, the girls knew what they were getting into and they could have said no anytime and walk out, but they wanted that fame and the money, and Epstein was someone that delivered.

He was just someone they made an example of, all for their #MeToo movement.
He wasn't anything special.

P.S: Anyone else notice that ever since he left the quality of female actresses has somewhat crashed, lot of these new girls can't act their way out of a paper bag.
Ghostbusters, Terminator, Starwars, Star Trek, MiB, capt'n marvel, She-hulk.

Merit is no longer a criterion for jobs.   It makes sense that actresses will be showing the degradation in standards as they are pandered to unlike actors (males).   "Stunning and brave".  

Cancel culture and social media shaming campaigns are clearly female mass psychology phenomena.  This can include males who act like females but social media is exactly where females would hang out all day long engaging in female type socializing.   The demented new-left is built on females and feminized males.   The string pullers are still the same shadow owner class which can never have enough power and who think that rotting out society will give them a great foundation for a society that servers their purposes better.

AlfaT8 wrote:Your fertility rate is 1.9.
Your exceptions don't matter.

Don't avoid the question.

I have provided evidences of women able to be the bread-winner of the family without the reliance of your self-proclaimed "male supermacy" and yet you have not provide any proof about your accusation of women inferiority or women in general need men to take care of.

Fertility have nothing to do with your baseless claim of male supremacy.

AlfaT8 wrote:I don't give a damn about your delusions of you Queens, the fact that women continuously vote for free shit and further empower governments, is evidence enough.

Can't stand the historical fact that your precious men were subordinated under a women, and thousands of men applied for being sex-toys for a female monarch ?

These men were doing exactly the thing that you accuse women to do.

AlfaT8 wrote:But now that we are dealing with a population decline, suddenly everyone is dead silent, no one wants to point out the obvious.

It's Goddamn hilarious.  

Japan and South Korea have both horrible high level of gender inequality, but these country have negative birth rate. And suddenly the sexism party is dead silent, they don't want to point out the obvious fact that their male supremacy is worthless.

It is Goddamn hilarious.

AlfaT8 wrote:Not falling for your little trap-card.

That said, fascists always demand that the welfare be for them and not the outsider, except it is that very welfare that's causing infertility.

Korea and Japan have wages and welfare expenditure well below the average of developed countries and are having a pathetic birth rate and negative population growth.

And suddenly the male supremacy party is dead silent.

AlfaT8 wrote:Since it's National Socialism, i expect the socialist components to still be there.

Do I need to make a thread to re-introduce the basic notions, concepts, and misconceptions about socialism ?

I see that the misunderstanding and misconceptions about socialism are huge and widespread.

AlfaT8 wrote:Communism means that you are a slave to the state, so F that ideology and all its branches.

Which books tell you that communism have a state ?

AlfaT8 wrote:As for higurashihougi, he just looks like another White Knight to me, the usual "defend ma' ladies honor" nonsense.

I don't defend anything.

The ladies are able to defend their honor by themselves. They do not need my defense, neither do they need any protection from the one proclaimed themselves as male supremacy.

And I don't want to be a knight. Knights or samurais are just parasites of the society and henchmen of the feudal lords whose livelihood depends on bloodsucking and blackmailing working peasants.

Epstein was just another director with a casting couch, the girls knew what they were getting into and they could have said no anytime and walk out, but they wanted that fame and the money, and Epstein was someone that delivered.

But the point is that they are all the same... they are put into positions of enormous power... give someone the right role and they become world famous and rich, but when you have 10,000 beautiful women all wanting the same role at one point they probably thought... well lets give it to the one that wants it the most, or perhaps it was... hey, I am doing you an enormous favour... when you get famous you wont remember my name but right now I have your future in my hands... what are you going to do for me?

They all did it to one extent or another... not always demanding sex of course but all wanting something... even established actors you could say... appear in this shit movie so it makes more money at the office box and I will get that stupid movie you want to make OKed by a major film company...

The point is that Epstein is the fall guy and they thought that would be it... but of course he knows too many secrets... he knows where the bodies are buried... he ran a pedo island for goodness sake... the guest list would be 90% Bills... Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby... there was no way that could possibly go to trial... no doubt the Clintons had him killed... wouldn't be their first such response...

The point is that everyone makes jokes about Epstein and he is a big bad man and every other casting director is exonerated and things carry on as normal... that is the west for you.... there will be no investigative reporter digging around because the Clintons will whack them too.

These days any connection with Epstein is death... you met him at a bar for a chat about a movie he was doing... you fucking pedo.... your career is over.

TMA1 wrote:higurashihougi there are good reasons why communism is hated by many in the west. It isnt mere propaganda. The notion of the abolition of private property hits to the very core of the matter. It citizens cannot be trusted to be property owners than those citizens are servile beings indeed who live under the whims of the state, and inevitably the unsavory avatar of that state, which is almost always accompanied by the cults of personality often seen in communist countries.

There has been a huge misunderstanding here.

Communism and socialism does not reject your claim of the fruit of your labour. Socialism originated from worker movement and therefore if it is the result of your sweat and blood then they are the first to defend your rights on it.

Communism and socialism call for abolishment of the private ownership on the means of production. Which means the enterprises and companies are collectively owned and have to be democratically managed. In the past I am the landlord or the company boss, you are my subordinate and have to obey my personal orders. In socialism I have to consult your opinion and all other's opinions if I want any changes in the company policy because it needs mutual agreements.

Yeah this retardation over the lack of 'private property' in socialism & communism goes back a long time, and stems from a misunderstanding of the terminology. Partially due to anti-communist propaganda, partially due to the confusing language used by socialists themselves. Going so far as to spawn many aborted offshoots of socialism particularly in the West that advocated communal living in all aspects and abolishing any sort of privacy for anyone or their families at all.

Private property refers to any real estate or means of production that can be owned privately and used to exploit others labour from by virtue of the fact that you own that land/factory/workshop/machinery/shop premises/etc.. and others don't, and thus they are in a position of dependence on you and must either give you a cut of what they produce/grow/sell through their own work, or give all the proceeds to you in return for receiving a fixed wage back.

So you must decide what's more important. The ability of anyone to own private property, or the ability for everyone to own their own labour. Because these 2 tautologies are mutually exclusive. And don't knock the idea of abolishing private property until you've at least had a go of being your own boss and working your own hours and charging for your own work as opposed to being a wage slave.

It does NOT refer to your house, your car, your garage, your garden, your holiday home, yacht or whatever. That's personal property.

AlfaT8 wrote:I just don't care anymore TMA1.

I just point out what the driving force of all this nonsense is, it's the women voting for it, every poll in existence have pointed to this fact, women vote for leftist, socialist policies, and are the main factor responsible for the Wests decline and transition into Authoritarianism.
Women are the achilles' heel of Egalitarianism, and sadly the majority have made egalitarianism their "sacred cow" that must never be questioned,..fools.

Women's rights are also the reason for the fertility decline, as the West demands countries change their policies in order to do business with the West, the American empire pushed them to further empower women in the delusion that this was "progress" or this will "enrich" these countries as it did the West.
Now we see that it's all a lie.
They just vote for more welfare and more government

As for higurashihougi, he just looks like another White Knight to me, the usual "defend ma' ladies honor" nonsense.

Another day, another White knight.

Problem is AlfaT8, half of what you write might be true, but your solution is essentially to strip freedom of choice from half of humanity, in order to benefit the other half and prevent that "80% of women compete for 20% of the men" behaviour, that you allege is what's responsible for the drop in fertility rates

I'm sorry but when it comes to sexual dynamics, men and women are equal slaves to it. You might complain that men have it tough competing with each other for the top spots, but look at it from the other side; women are judged more by their physical appearance than their hard work, personalities or other qualities compared to men, and what's more they also have a shorter window during which to find a partner. Men have all the time in the world in comparison; men's attractiveness to women doesn't even peak until about 35 years of age.

The drop in birth rates is a result of a whole load of complex dynamics and factors, not just dating patterns and the process of actually finding a partner. Although when it comes to that too, even if most women have unrealistic expectations these days - something with which I'd definitely agree - a lot of men are also limp-fisted soyboy weaklings these days too, or have no fantasies whatsoever in life that they are prepared to put in the work towards. Do you think women want to get pregnant from these types of men? No, they'll always be looking for someone better and will put off having kids until then.
So it kind of balances out. Be masculine and you've already got a leg above half the competition. Take care of your physique and show you have a good work-ethic, and you've already got a leg above half the competition. How about putting men into camps in order to teach them some basic principles in life, and not letting them out until they get a passing grade; in addition to robbing women of some of their rights?

No fault divorce and pandering to females in the law is not the fault of women.   It was corrupt male politicians seeing the "value" of offloading the welfare
burden of the state onto ex-husbands, i.e. men, who they consider beasts of burden as have elites since the dawn of time.    Women have been fed a line of
BS as well that they can f*ck around into their 40s and still have a family.   This includes playing male roles where they have no time for families.   There are
now millions of women who are bitter and frustrated in their late 30s and older who lost the chance to have children since they no longer have the ova and
spent their time f*cking around when they did.  

Males vs. females is just more divide and rule identity politics.   You can't fix society by pushing women down.   You need to push the shadow owner class
down including their deep state puppets.   But it is a fact that women think emotionally and you cannot give their capricious desires equal political weight.  
Which is a conundrum for (nominally) representative political systems.    If they vote for dicks such as Bill Clinton because it gives them the willies, then they
are not capable voters.  

I think what is needed is unalterable constitutional provisions where males are not second class compared to females in any aspect.   In particular, family
affairs.   Men should have automatic equal time to children after divorce.   Mommies are not magic fairies who have special rights.   Children need both
parents for proper psychological development.   They are damaged by fighting over custody.   So remove any chance to fight over custody.   Cases of abuse
will be the same as in married families, a case for police intervention.    No family lawyer should have any chance to use "abuse" as a way to give the female
client more custody.    Simply no deviation from 50/50 at all.  

No alimony whatsoever.   The concept is absurd and obscene.   The man has to pay any number of ex-wives a special income because supposedly the
women had this "level" when they were married.   What utter nonsense.   If I lose my job, I cannot expect to have compensation in income at the same level
as the lost job.   Why bother having any jobs at all and just pay people for breathing.     Alimony is clearly a state welfare offload even it predates the welfare
state.    It has become grotesque with the advent of the welfare state as male politicians keep extending it and totally detaching it from its original, if tenuous,
function.

"Trust her". "Me too."

Draconian fake accuser laws are needed. False accusers need 20 year jail time when serious crimes are claimed.

kvs wrote:No alimony whatsoever.   The concept is absurd and obscene.   The man has to pay any number of ex-wives a special income because supposedly the
women had this "level" when they were married.   What utter nonsense.   If I lose my job, I cannot expect to have compensation in income at the same level
as the lost job.   Why bother having any jobs at all and just pay people for breathing.     Alimony is clearly a state welfare offload even it predates the welfare
state.    It has become grotesque with the advent of the welfare state as male politicians keep extending it and totally detaching it from its original, if tenuous,
function.

Both parents have to provide care and expense of raising their common offspring even if they are divorced. That is the meaning of alimony. You create the child and you have the obligation to raise it. If you can't directly raise the child due to legal/situational issues then cover it with money.

The father or mother directly raising the child have to spend a significant amount of his/her own time which could have been spent otherwise, for example doing second jobs to make more money, or upgrading his/her profession by taking educational programs, or revitalization of their mental/physical health in various recreational activities. Not to mention he/she have to directly purchase food, milk, and other necessary expense related to child rearing. Therefore other one who do not directly raising the child have to provide financial cover for the busy counterparts.

It is not state welfare, it is basic moral obligation of any decent humans.

If he/she doesn't want to pay for it then he/she have to directly take part in raising the child. Negotiate with his/her former mate or the court to share the burden of raising the child.

Child rearing is not something to be taken lightly of and the ones who directly participate in it deserve to have the credit.

higurashihougi wrote:
The father or mother directly raising the child have to spend a significant amount of his/her own time which could have been spent otherwise, for example doing second jobs to make more money, or upgrading his/her profession by taking educational programs, or revitalization of their mental/physical health in various recreational activities. Not to mention he/she have to directly purchase food, milk, and other necessary expense related to child rearing. Therefore other one who do not directly raising the child have to provide financial cover for the busy counterparts.

It is not state welfare, it is basic moral obligation of any decent humans.

If he/she doesn't want to pay for it then he/she have to directly take part in raising the child. Negotiate with his/her former mate or the court to share the burden of raising the child.

Child rearing is not something to be taken lightly of and the ones who directly participate in it deserve to have the credit.

Sorry but here it looks you are not following the previous arguments...

The discussion was about alimony to the former spouse that is absolutely nonsense, not child maintenance costs. Why should your former spouse receive money for life only because she cannot make the same amount of money alone? I can understand helping her a bit for the first couple of years or so in order to be able to get back on her feet and find a decent job, but not more than that.

Back to the kids topic: Both parents paying for the kids expenses is normal. What is not normal is that in many countries fathers are not allowed to raise their kids after divorce, they are not allowed to take important decisions and are allowed to see their kids only on special weekends.

In Italy, my home country, there are a lot of men who are completely ruined. They are kicked out from their own house (which in most cases was something that they owned alone before being married or that that they paid solely for), they are not allowed to see their kids when they want and in addition to kids expenses they have to pay ailmony to their ex wives.

Many men are left with less than 1/2 of their salary after paying child maintenance and ailmony to the ex and cannot afford a place to live. Some of them are even sleeping in the cars.

So please stop with BS because it is offensive.

A lot of divorced fathers would love nothing more than take care of their kids, they are not allowed but they are sucked dry of their energy and money from the ex and the lawyers (with the state approval of course).

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Sorry but here it looks you are not following the previous arguments...

The discussion was about alimony to the former spouse that is absolutely nonsense, not child maintenance costs. Why should your former spouse receive money for life only because she cannot make the same amount of money alone? I can understand helping her a bit for the first couple of years or so in order to be able to get back on her feet and find a decent job, but not more than that.

My apologize to you, kvs and others. It seems like I have a severe misunderstanding here about the terms.

My bad.

Sorry, but i am not going to defend the wamen.

Its time to stop obvuscating their role in this mess and hold women accountable, instead of blaming ze evil politicians or ze evil media.

Hold women accountable for their actions.

Women are a political force like a boulder falling off a cliff. It is the clowns who push them that are ultimately responsible. But it is a fact that women
are abusing the system set up by rotten males to f*ck over males. They are helped by another species of rotten males, the lawyers. In many cases
women take child support money and spend it on themselves and abuse the children. But the system pretends that mommies are special and have
unique rights to the children. It is not an accident that a lot of criminals come from broken homes run by single mothers. But the rotten politicians
know this and the objective is to feed the prison-industrial complex.

Personal responsibility is overhyped as a cure-all for social ills. This is simply moronic. Women taking responsibility is not going to remove the owners
of the system and their machinations. Identity politics is engineered and not by the idiot women who are its prime foot soldiers.

higurashihougi is in his own little world.
His "Historical Facts" will not save his goddamn fertility rate.

Japan isn't the answer either, and definitely not S.Korea.
Women's Education, Careers, it's all just stupid, egalitarianism with a traditional twist.
It has clearly failed miserably.

Keep believing in your Queens you White knight.

As for kvs:
It is Female nature Responsible, again its NOT the politicians or the media, it is women following their biological imperatives.
Hyper-gamy along with the pursuit of protection and resources.

Women are the ROOT of the Wests problems.

GarryB wrote:

Epstein was just another director with a casting couch, the girls knew what they were getting into and they could have said no anytime and walk out, but they wanted that fame and the money, and Epstein was someone that delivered.

But the point is that they are all the same... they are put into positions of enormous power... give someone the right role and they become world famous and rich, but when you have 10,000 beautiful women all wanting the same role at one point they probably thought... well lets give it to the one that wants it the most, or perhaps it was... hey, I am doing you an enormous favour... when you get famous you wont remember my name but right now I have your future in my hands... what are you going to do for me?

They all did it to one extent or another... not always demanding sex of course but all wanting something... even established actors you could say... appear in this shit movie so it makes more money  at the office box and I will get that stupid movie you want to make OKed by a major film company...

The point is that Epstein is the fall guy and they thought that would be it... but of course he knows too many secrets... he knows where the bodies are buried... he ran a pedo island for goodness sake... the guest list would be 90% Bills... Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby... there was no way that could possibly go to trial... no doubt the Clintons had him killed... wouldn't be their first such response...

The point is that everyone makes jokes about Epstein and he is a big bad man and every other casting director is exonerated and things carry on as normal... that is the west for you.... there will be no investigative reporter digging around because the Clintons will whack them too.

These days any connection with Epstein is death... you met him at a bar for a chat about a movie he was doing... you fucking pedo.... your career is over.

Ok garry, you got me.
I mistook Epstein for Weinstein.
My bad.

Yes Epstein was nutty, and god knows where all those tapes he made are.
The guy knew too much.

Bill Cosby???

Hold women accountable for their actions.

I will take femenists seriously when they demand to be treated the same as men where it is not to their advantage.

When was the last time you heard a femenist demand women get drafted?

They want combat roles so they can get combat pay but as shown during Desert Storm a ship with a large percentage of women on board suddenly became non operational when it was announced it was going to the middle east for a combat deployment... it seems the vast majority of the women on board the ship suddenly got pregnant... the ship instantly got the nickname the love boat.

Bill Cosby???

You are correct... not a pedo... just a sex criminal... more like Jimmy Savile....