Russian Ground Forces: News #3

Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Random photos from Zapad-2021
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That Sarmat-2 buggy is some cool shit

It can go inside Mi-8 or hang from a sling but can Mi-8 do both simultaneously?

Having 2 buggies with 8 troopers per helicopter would be awesome

Being based on the Lada 4x4 it can't be too heavy so maybe it can be done?

Not the first time they attempted to use the Lada 4x4 as basis for an ATV type vehicle but this one looks like a keeper.

ISDM remote minelayers

This pic really shows the difference between the russian and western art of warfare. And I don´t mean the robots or the Epokha turret. In the background you can see 2 Pantsir systems. There were also Tunguska, Tor and Strela-10 systems on the "frontline". Good luck for an air attack on that barrage of air defence missiles. But if the russian army fires some cruise or ballistic missiles at western targets, what is there to stop it? Patriot? Stinger?

Hole you forgot about the super duper Stryker IM-SHORAD system currently being developed for the US Army.

The air defence platform is intended to provide air and missile defence against a range of low-altitude aerial threats such as rotary-wing and fixed-wing aircraft, cruise missiles, as well as unmanned aerial systems.

IM-SHORAD will also offer protection against artillery, rockets and mortars as well as regional ballistic missile threats.

Armament include the AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire air-to-surface missiles capable of defeating air and ground targets and four Raytheon’s Stinger man-portable air defence systems for engaging light armoured air targets within a range of 4,800m.

The secondary armament of the IM-SHORAD air defence system includes a 30mm XM914 Bushmaster Chain Gun and a 7.62mm M240 coaxial machine gun.

Sounds like they have finally managed to develop a Pantsyr-S/Tor equivalent NOT!

Mir wrote:Hole you forgot about the super duper Stryker IM-SHORAD system currently being developed for the US Army.

The air defence platform is intended to provide air and missile defence against a range of low-altitude aerial threats such as rotary-wing and fixed-wing aircraft, cruise missiles, as well as unmanned aerial systems.

IM-SHORAD will also offer protection against artillery, rockets and mortars as well as regional ballistic missile threats.

Armament include the AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire air-to-surface missiles capable of defeating air and ground targets and four Raytheon’s Stinger man-portable air defence systems for engaging light armoured air targets within a range of 4,800m.  

The secondary armament of the IM-SHORAD air defence system includes a 30mm XM914 Bushmaster Chain Gun and a 7.62mm M240 coaxial machine gun.

Sounds like they have finally managed to develop a Pantsyr-S/Tor equivalent NOT!

Sounds more like a combination of a Sosna-R/Strela-10M and a Tunguska
Which is also handy to have, and on the front-lines mounted on something like a Stryker platform is where you actually want it. With a mix of laser-guided and radar-homing missiles, as well as a chain-gun, it should prove quite versatile against a wide mix of air and ground targets.
I also like the fact that they're using what they already have. The chassis, the missiles, the gun. No exhorbitant amounts of money spent on a completely novel and bespoke solution. Instead they just mixed and matched proven equipment and they should be able to a churn out a number of these things quickly and for not too much cost. Seems like they've sobered up and gone back to the more reasonable Cold War-era approach of doing more with less resources. No doubt the colossal modernization drive of the Russian military over the past decade has been the driving factor for that.

But they definitely have a gap in their short-range and medium-range air defense systems, and even their long-range ones are mostly naval-based; which won't be that useful in any sort of land conflict in Europe

Their fighter aviation are meant to counter the threat of cruise missiles. But the viability of that remains to be seen. Especially against the high-supersonic and hypersonic missiles

I'm speaking here about the US military and some others which have high commonality with them. There are some other NATO members like Germany for example, which at least have very competent SHORAD platforms and have had for a long time.

This thing has some serious Warthog vibes from Halo

PapaDragon wrote:
This thing has some serious Warthog vibes from Halo

With the Mi-17 fulfilling the role of the Pelican dropship

[quote="flamming_python"]

Mir wrote:

Sounds like they have finally managed to develop a Pantsyr-S/Tor equivalent NOT!

Sounds more like a combination of a Sosna-R/Strela-10M and a Tunguska

My reference to Pantsyr-S/Tor was a sarcastic remark but nevertheless I am surprised that they are now developing a air defence system that is only a slight improvement on the LAV-AD from back in the 80's! I would have expected something with a bit more bite for the enormous amount of $ they throw into the defence budget.

The Germans and the French have similar SHORAD capabilities but is nothing to get too excited about but I guess it's better than nothing. Both were much better off during the Cold War era.

Just to give you an idea - towards the end of the 80's the Germans had significant numbers of SP anti-aircraft systems in service like the Gepard and Roland. They also had the terrible Redeye MANPADS and large numbers of anti-aircraft guns in service. Today they only have the Wiesel Mk2 with Stingers.

Mir wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Mir wrote:

Sounds like they have finally managed to develop a Pantsyr-S/Tor equivalent NOT!

Sounds more like a combination of a Sosna-R/Strela-10M and a Tunguska

My reference to Pantsyr-S/Tor was a sarcastic remark but nevertheless I am surprised that they are now developing a air defence system that is only a slight improvement on the LAV-AD from back in the 80's! I would have expected something with a bit more bite for the enormous amount of $ they throw into the defence budget.

The Germans and the French have similar SHORAD capabilities but is nothing to get too excited about but I guess it's better than nothing. Both were much better off during the Cold War era.

Just to give you an idea - towards the end of the 80's the Germans had significant numbers of SP anti-aircraft systems in service like the Gepard and Roland. They also had the terrible Redeye MANPADS and large numbers of anti-aircraft guns in service. Today they only have the Wiesel Mk2 with Stingers.

Shorads are used on the front with tanks. Soviet/Russia use MLRS in huge number and would target any enemy formation with hundreds of rockets before attacking them with conventionnal forces. Those NATO Shorads would have to survive such attacks first.

lyle6 wrote:

Hole wrote:
This pic really shows the difference between the russian and western art of warfare. And I don´t mean the robots or the Epokha turret. In the background you can see 2 Pantsir systems. There were also Tunguska, Tor and Strela-10 systems on the "frontline". Good luck for an air attack on that barrage of air defence missiles. But if the russian army fires some cruise or ballistic missiles at western targets, what is there to stop it? Patriot?  Stinger?

I see your point, but if the PVO Pantsir are operating with the close combat elements in such close proximities something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

In the near future each military district will receive his own Pantsir regiment to improve the air defence. Most of the time they will defend HQ´s but they could be deployed closer to the frontline.

In the near future each military district will receive his own Pantsir regiment to improve the air defence. Most of the time they will defend HQ´s but they could be deployed closer to the frontline.

Both Motor Rifle and Tank divisions have two air defence regiments... missile and missile + gun, with the missile regiment being OSA or TOR and the missile and gun originally Shilka and SA-9/13 and then Tunguska.

In the future Tunguska will likely have Pantsir support but also 2S38 57mm gun based AA support plus also Pine (SOSNA-R) missiles, but then their ATGM regiment with Ataka/Shturm/Khrisantema might also get Kornet-EM and they can be used against low flying targets like drones and helicopters and slow aircraft...

My reference to Pantsyr-S/Tor was a sarcastic remark but nevertheless I am surprised that they are now developing a air defence system that is only a slight improvement on the LAV-AD from back in the 80's!

I was thinking that was sarcastic exaggeration... Hellfire would not be as good as ATAKA or SHTURM against aircraft, and the US has nothing like Tunguska let alone anything newer.

A special vehicle of mine clearance groups entered service with a separate engineer regiment of the Pacific Fleet. The UAZ-2363 pickup truck is taken as the base. It is reported that it has an armored capsule, and the body is equipped with containers for transporting engineering equipment.

Rostec ammunition for protection against high-precision weapons has been adopted. 

A new aerosol munition developed by the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (TsNIITochMash) Rostec State Corporation, adopted by the Russian armed forces. The product is designed for individual protection of equipment from high-precision weapons with laser, optical and thermal guidance systems.

When a threat arises, the 3VD35 protective ammunition is fired in the direction of the enemy's attack and creates a veil of aerosol interference that "deceives" the guidance systems of high-precision enemy ammunition.

"The main advantage of the ammunition is the ability to protect armored vehicles from high-precision ammunition, including attacks into the most vulnerable upper hemisphere, which has a smaller armor thickness and, as a rule, is not covered by dynamic or anti-cumulative protection. The development "covers" the equipment both from high-precision aircraft weapons, barrage ammunition, and from third-generation anti-tank missile systems, including Javelin complexes. The ammunition has a good export potential. Foreign partners have already shown a high interest in it" – Bekhan Ozdoev, industrial director of the Rostec cluster of weapons, ammunition and special chemicals, said. 

The caliber of the ammunition is 76 mm. The length is 290 mm. Weight is 1.8 kg. The temperature range of the ammunition is from minus 50 to plus 55 degrees.

Source: 

See last entry for more info.

REM-GT, recovery vehicle for the arctic

Having 2 buggies with 8 troopers per helicopter would be awesome

I would guess it depends on the vehicles... the ones with the 12.7mm Kord could go inside the helicopters with the Kord in the rear, but if it has a small turret then it would probably need to be slung underneath.

I would also expect the inside the the helicopter will have the crew for the vehicles but the slung vehicle would need to be empty for flying around, which means the helicopter would need to carry that crew and any equipment that vehicle might need to carry so I suspect one vehicle at a time.

Of course bigger helicopters might be able to carry more...

Imagine a Ka-226T model where the vehicle is attached where the pod normally goes but facing rearwards and the attachment allows forward and side facing weapons to be used while attached to the helicopter... also when you drive away you can drive straight with no tail rotor to worry about...

Some sort of hook attachment directly below the main rotor that allows the vehicle to be hooked on in the hover and for the vehicle to be winched up or down from a few metres up with an extra guide rope to pull the rear of the vehicle around the the cabin side of the helicopter for "docking".

[quote="GarryB"]
Both Motor Rifle and Tank divisions have two air defence regiments... missile and missile + gun, with the missile regiment being OSA or TOR and the missile and gun originally Shilka and SA-9/13 and then Tunguska. [quote]

Hello Garry,
The divisions (Mot Rfl and Tank) have just one air defence regiment with Tor or a mix of Tor/Strela-10 /2S6M/MANPAD. Maybe that in the far east some active duty units still have the OSA but I don't know of active duty units in Central and Southern Military District that still use the OSA. AFAIK only some naval infantry units still use the ZSU-23/4

For example the Western Military District;

2nd Mot Rfl Div: 1117 Air Defence Regt. with 2 battalions equipped with TOR and one battalion with Strela-10, 2S6M and MANPADs.

3rd Mot Rfl Div: 1143rd Air Defence Regt with 3 battalions equipped with TOR

144th Mot Rfl Div: 1259 Air Defence Regt with 3 battalions equipped with TOR

4th Tank Division: 538th Air Defence Regt with 1 battalion equipped with TOR and 1 battalion with Strela-10, 2S6M, MANPADs

Regards,
Lesley

PRP-5 recon vehicle

Still working, baby!

The Ground Forces continue the systematic comprehensive re-equipment of modern weapons and military equipment as part of the implementation of the State Armament Program for 2018-2027.

In order to increase combat capabilities and upgrade the fleet of equipment in 2021, more than 2,500 new basic weapons, military and special equipment will be delivered to the formations and military units of the Ground Forces.

Modern T-72B3M and T-80BVM tanks, BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles and BTR-82A armored personnel carriers are being purchased for tank and motorized rifle units.

This year, for the first time, the delivery of upgraded armored vehicles has begun: T-90M tanks and upgraded BMP-2 combat vehicles with the Berezhok fighting compartment.

The formations and military units of the missile forces and artillery receive modern multiple launch rocket systems of medium caliber "Tornado-G", modernized self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S", self-propelled anti-tank missile systems "Chrysanthemum-S". Reconnaissance artillery units are equipped with radar complexes for reconnaissance of firing positions "Zoo-1M", radar stations "Aistenok", automated sound-thermal and sonometric complexes of artillery reconnaissance.

Anti-aircraft missile systems and complexes S-300V4, "Buk-M3", "Tor-M2" and its modification in the Arctic version "Tor-M2DT", portable anti-aircraft missile systems "Willow", automation complexes "Polyana-D4M1" and "Barnaul-T", radar stations "Niobium-SV" and other weapons are mass-produced and supplied to the troops.

In the current year, the supply of the second-generation Sagittarius-M intelligence, control and communication complexes (KRUS) is planned for the intelligence units, which allows to interface the existing line of technical intelligence equipment and solve the tasks of management, coordinate determination and their transfer to the means of fire destruction.

Also, the Ground Forces are equipped with modern means of communication and automation of the unified tactical management system (ESU TK). Four formations have already been equipped with ESU TK sets, while this year two more sets are being delivered to the Ground Forces units by the end of the year.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12392311@egNews

A couple of items we don't often here about.
Full details on the links
Nona-M1
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/missile-systems-multiple-rocket-launchers-mrl-atgm-systems-and-field-artillery-guns/nona-m1/

PTKM-1R (Top-Attack Anti-Tank Mine)
The PTKM-1R is capable of selecting what armoured vehicle to hit, it chooses only those equipment that meet the specified parameters in terms of noise and ground vibration.

It is installed manually, at a distance of 5 to 50 m from the probable route of the target making it quite difficult to detect.

The PTKM-1R consists of:
►a transporter-launcher;
►a combat element.

The transporter-launcher is equipped with acoustic and seismic sensors, the combat element is equipped with infrared and radar sensors.

When the target comes within 50 m radius from the mine, the seismic sensor commands to launch the combat element. The combat element follows a ballistic trajectory and it's sensors - thermal and radar - scan the earth's surface. When the sensors detect the target the warhead is detonated and strikes the target from above.

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/engineer-equipment/ptkm-1r/