Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

'The buck stops with me,' says Biden but then proceeds to blame Afghan fiasco on Trump and locals who failed to fight the Taliban - before ducking questions and fleeing for Camp David
President Joe Biden cut his trip to Camp David short and returned to the White House Monday to deliver remarks on Afghanistan
He defended his decision to bring home U.S. troops despite the Taliban's rapid capture of Kabul
But he admitted that the rapid collapse unfolded much faster than anyone expected
'So what's happened? Afghanistan's political leaders gave up and fled the country,' he said
But critics said it was not the decision to leave, but the manner of the abrupt departure that caused chaos
Biden was originally supposed to stay at Camp David until Wednesday as part of an August vacation
The trip triggered criticism that the commander was out of sight as Afghanistan crumbled into chaos
He returned to the presidential retreat immediately after delivering his speech

But critics said he did nothing to address the sense that the U.S. withdrawal was hasty and ill-planned.

Former President Trump hit back at Biden.

'It's not that we left Afghanistan,' he said in an emailed statement. 'It's the grossly incompetent way we left!'

Vandenberg Coalition chairman and former senior State Department official Elliott Abrams said it was a 'disgraceful performance.'

He added: 'The president never addressed the real questions: why would he not leave a few thousand troops to provide air power?

'Why did he not understand that his decisions would create chaos?'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9899117/Biden-DEFENDS-leaving-Afghanistan.html



Overloaded but airborne: Incredible photo shows 640 Afghans on a US C-17 cargo jet - designed to carry 150 - after they ran on before soldiers could close ramp and pilot decided to take off from Kabul and save them all

Plane no. RCH 871 took off from Kabul on Sunday night after the Taliban claimed the Afghan city

The C-17 jet was due to take US embassy personnel but terrified Afghan civilians ran onboard

They jumped onto the plane's ramp before the flight crew could stop them, and they took off with them

Initial audio from the plane estimated 800 were on board but officials say the true number was 640

The refugees will be taken to air bases in Texas and Wisconsin, Defense Dept confirmed on Monday

The US, India and Canada are all using C-17s to get foreign nationals and Afghan refugees out of Kabul

There are grave concerns over the efficacy of the rescue mission which collapsed into chaos on Monday

Eight people were killed at the airport; two were shot by US troops and three were run over by jets

Another three died falling from the fuselage of a different US Air Force C-17 jet as it took off

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9899249/PICTURED-640-Afghan-refugees-ran-evacuation-jet-Kabul.html



RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Asleep at the wheel... The War on Terror has ended as it began on 9/11, 20 years ago - with bodies falling from the sky, the Taliban cheering in Kabul and mighty America humbled. And for that, Joe Biden should hang his head in shame


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9899219/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-War-Terror-ended-began-9-11-Joe-Biden-hang-head-shame.html

How Biden and Trump caused Afghanistan catastrophe: Both presidents repeatedly ignored Pentagon warnings the Taliban would take over, botched negotiations and left Afghanistan's fate in the hands of troops who refused to fight

Collapse of Kabul follows years of warnings that local forces would fail to halt the Taliban after the U.S. departed Afghanistan

They began when President Trump agreed a deal with the Taliban, to bring home troops in return for security assurances

But critics said the Taliban never made good on promises to stop al-Qaida using its territory and were content to wait for U.S. troops to leave

Biden's generals urged him to keep a counterterrorism mission in the country

And as Biden mulled a decision, a Congress-appointed panel warned that irresponsible withdrawal would trigger civil war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898177/How-Joe-botched-Afghanistan-Biden-ignored-Pentagon-warnings-Taliban-over.html

Cowboy's daughter wrote:How Biden and Trump caused Afghanistan catastrophe: Both presidents repeatedly ignored Pentagon warnings the Taliban would take over, botched negotiations and left Afghanistan's fate in the hands of troops who refused to fight

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898177/How-Joe-botched-Afghanistan-Biden-ignored-Pentagon-warnings-Taliban-over.html

Dailymail is on drugs for even trying to bring up Trump, This is Biden and his handlers's F up, Trump has nothing to do with this mess.

Richard Engel@RichardEngel·
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Biden says human rights center of US policy. A hard sell tonight where im sitting outside the kabul airport.


Richard Engel@RichardEngel·
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Biden says nothing could have fixed Afghanistan. That it was, and is, basically a failed state and always will be. I wish he’d come to Kabul more recently, even six months ago


Richard Engel@RichardEngel·
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Evac planes coming in and taking off rapidly from Kabul airport after delay. Quick turnaround on ground.


Status-6@Archer83Able·
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A video of Afghan Air Force's UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter which made an emergency landing on a field in Uzbekistan has appeared on social media. About 10 (former) ANA personnel on board.






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luis martinez@LMartinezABC·
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Two German military planes approached Kabul International in an effort to carry out evacuations on Monday but could not land because of crowds on the tarmac, a Bundeswehr spokesperson confirmed to ABC News.




Jeff Seldin@jseldin·
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UPDATE:
@PentagonPresSec
says the total number of US troops in #Kabul will be closer to 6,000 despite additional troops being sent in
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Jeff Seldin@jseldin· 7h
NEW: @POTUS authorized a 3rd combat team from the the 82nd Airborne from Kuwait to head to Kabul

This will bring the total eventual US footprint to 7,000 troops

AlfaT8 wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:How Biden and Trump caused Afghanistan catastrophe: Both presidents repeatedly ignored Pentagon warnings the Taliban would take over, botched negotiations and left Afghanistan's fate in the hands of troops who refused to fight

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898177/How-Joe-botched-Afghanistan-Biden-ignored-Pentagon-warnings-Taliban-over.html

Dailymail is on drugs for even trying to bring up Trump, This is Biden and his handlers's F up, Trump has nothing to do with this mess.

I agree!

History will surely note this absurdly ill-timed tweet.
On Monday, August 9th, the U.S. Embassy in Kabul posed a question to its four hundred thousand followers: “This PeaceMonday, we want to hear from you. What do you wish to tell the negotiating parties in Doha about your hopes for a political settlement? PeaceForAfghanistan.”
The message reflected the delusion of American policy. With the Taliban sweeping across the country, storming one provincial capital after another, the prospect that diplomacy would work a year after U.S.-backed talks in Qatar began—and quickly stalled—was illusory.
By Thursday, the Afghan government controlled only three major cities. President Joe Biden, the leader of the world’s most powerful nation, announced that he was dispatching three thousand U.S. troops to Afghanistan to pull hundreds of its diplomats and staff out of that Embassy.
And, by Sunday, it was all over—before dusk. President Ashraf Ghani fled the country, his government collapsed, and the U.S.-trained Afghan security forces simply melted away as the Taliban moved into the capital. American diplomats—having evacuated the fortress-like U.S. Embassy—were forced to shelter in place at the airport as they waited to be evacuated. America’s two-decade-long misadventure in Afghanistan has ended. For Americans, Afghanistan looks a little, maybe a lot, like a trillion-dollar throwaway. Meanwhile, Afghans are left in free fall.

It’s not just an epic defeat for the United States. The fall of Kabul may serve as a bookend for the era of U.S. global power. In the nineteen-forties, the United States launched the Great Rescue to help liberate Western Europe from the powerful Nazi war machine. It then used its vast land, sea, and air power to defeat the formidable Japanese empire in East Asia. Eighty years later, the U.S. is engaged in what historians may someday call a Great Retreat from a ragtag militia that has no air power or significant armor and artillery, in one of the poorest countries in the world.

It’s now part of an unnerving American pattern, dating back to the nineteen-seventies. On Sunday, social-media posts of side-by-side photos evoked painful memories. One captured a desperate crowd climbing up a ladder to the rooftop of a building near the U.S. Embassy in Saigon to get on one of the last helicopters out in 1975, during the Ford Administration. The other showed a Chinook helicopter hovering over the U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Sunday. “This is manifestly not Saigon,” the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, tried to argue on Sunday, on ABC’s “This Week.” It didn’t wash. And there are other episodes. In 1984, the Reagan Administration withdrew the U.S. Marine peacekeepers from Beirut after a suicide bomber from a nascent cell of what became Hezbollah killed more than two hundred and forty military personnel—the largest loss for the Marines in a single incident since the Second World War. In 2011, the United States pulled out of Iraq, opening the way for the emergence of isis. The repeated miscalculations challenge basic Washington policy-making as well as U.S. military strategy and intelligence capabilities. Why wasn’t this looming calamity—or any of the earlier ones—anticipated? Or the exits better planned? Or the country not left in the hands of a former enemy? It is a dishonorable end.

Whatever the historic truth decades from now, the U.S. will be widely perceived by the world today as having lost what George W. Bush dubbed the “war on terror”—despite having mobilized nato for its first deployment outside Europe or North America, a hundred and thirty-six countries to provide various types of military assistance, and twenty-three countries to host U.S. forces deployed in offensive operations. America’s vast tools and tactics proved ill-equipped to counter the will and endurance of the Taliban and their Pakistani backers. In the long term, its missiles and warplanes were unable to vanquish a movement of sixty thousand core fighters in a country about as big as Texas.

There are many repercussions that will endure long after the U.S. withdrawal. First, jihadism has won a key battle against democracy. The West believed that its armor and steel, backed by a generous infusion of aid, could defeat a hard-line ideology with a strong local following. The Taliban are likely, once again, to install Sharia as law of the land. Afghanistan will again, almost certainly, become a haven for like-minded militants, be they members of Al Qaeda or others in search of a haven or a sponsor. It’s a gloomy prospect as Americans prepare to mark the twentieth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks next month. Since 2001, Al Qaeda, isis, and other jihadi extremists have seeded franchises on all six inhabited continents. Last month, the United States sanctioned an isis branch as far afield as Mozambique, the former Portuguese colony in southern Africa where almost sixty per cent of the population is Christian.

Second, both Afghanistan and Iraq have proved that the United States can neither build nations nor create armies out of scratch, especially in countries that have a limited middle class and low education rates, over a decade or two. It takes generations. Not enough people have the knowledge or experience to navigate whole new ways of life, whatever they want in principle. Ethnic and sectarian divisions thwart attempts to overhaul political, social, and economic life all at the same time. The United States spent eighty-three billion dollars training and arming an Afghan force of some three hundred thousand—more than four times the size of the Taliban’s militia. “This army and this police force have been very, very effective in combat against the insurgents every single day,” Mark Milley told reporters back in 2013. He is now the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Yet, by March, when I was last in Kabul, the Taliban controlled half of the country. Between May and mid-August, it took the other half—most just during the past week. Last month, Biden said that he trusted “the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped and more competent in terms of conducting war.” In the end, the Taliban basically walked into Kabul—and the Presidential palace—on Sunday.

Third, America’s standing abroad is profoundly weakened, symbolized by the U.S. Embassy’s lowering the Stars and Stripes for the final time on Sunday. Smoke was seen rising from the grounds of the Embassy—which cost almost eight hundred million dollars to expand just five years ago—as matériel was burned in the rush to exit. Washington will have a hard time mobilizing its allies to act in concert again—whether for the kind of broad and unified alliance, one of the largest in world history, that formed in Afghanistan after 9/11, or for the type of meagre cobbled-together “coalition of the willing” for the war in Iraq. The United States is still the dominant power in the West, but largely by default. There aren’t many other powers or leaders offering alternatives. It’s hard to see how the United States salvages its reputation or position anytime soon.

America’s Great Retreat is at least as humiliating as the Soviet Union’s withdrawal in 1989, an event that contributed to the end of its empire and Communist rule. The United States was in Afghanistan twice as long and spent far more. The Soviet Union is estimated to have spent about fifty billion dollars during the first seven of its ten years occupying the mountainous country. Yes, the United States fostered the birth of a rich civil society, the education of girls, and an independent media. It facilitated democratic elections more than once and witnessed the transfer of power. Thirty-seven per cent of Afghan girls are now able to read, according to Human Rights Watch. The tolo channel hosted eighteen seasons of “Afghan Star,” a singing competition much like “American Idol.” Zahra Elham, a twentysomething member of Afghanistan’s Hazara minority, became the first woman to win, in 2019. But untold numbers of the Afghans encouraged by the United States are desperately searching for ways out of the country as the Taliban move in. Women have pulled out their blue burqas again. And the enduring imagery of the Americans flying out on their helicopters will be no different than Soviet troops marching across the Friendship Bridge from Afghanistan to the then Soviet Union on February 15, 1989. Both of the big powers withdrew as losers, with their tails between their legs, leaving behind chaos.

For the United States, the costs do not end with its withdrawal from either Afghanistan or Iraq. It could cost another two trillion dollars just to pay for the health care and disability of veterans from those wars. And those costs may not peak until 2048. America’s longest war will be a lot longer than anyone anticipated two decades ago—or even as it ends. In all, forty-seven thousand civilians have died, according to Brown University’s Costs of War Project. More than twenty-four hundred were U.S. military personnel, and almost four thousand were U.S. contractors.

I first went to Afghanistan in 1999, during the original Taliban rule. I drove through the breathtaking Khyber Pass from Pakistan, past the fortified estates of the drug lords along the border, on the rutted, axle-destroying roads to Kabul. The images of the Taliban’s repressive rule—little kids working on the streets of Afghan towns to support widowed mothers not allowed in public, checkpoints festooned with confiscated audio and video tapes—are indelible. I went back with Secretary of State Colin Powell on his first trip after the fall of the Taliban. There was hope then of something different, even as the prospect of it often seemed elusive, and the idea sullied by the country’s corrupt new rulers. I’ve been back several times since, including in March with General Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, Jr., the head of Central Command, who is now overseeing the final U.S. military operations. On Sunday, as America erased its presence in Afghanistan in a race to get out, I wondered: Was it all for naught? What other consequences will America face from its failed campaign in Afghanistan decades from now? We barely know the answers.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/does-the-great-retreat-from-afghanistan-mark-the-end-of-the-american-era

H.R. McMaster says Taliban takeover of Afghanistan a result of 'precipitous withdrawal'

Former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster joined ‘The Story with Martha MacCallum’ on Monday and reacted to the hundreds of Afghans running alongside the U.S. Air Force transport plane as it moved down a runway of the airport in Kabul, Afghanistan.

H.R. MCMASTER: It's heartbreaking, it's frustrating, you know, I think it's wholly unnecessary. That's what's so sad about it, Martha. I mean, we delivered psychological blows to the Afghan security forces into the Afghan people far beyond the physical blows that the Taliban was capable of delivering. You know, this is by our precipitous withdrawal. And I think just the utter lack of planning for what we knew, what we knew would be a humanitarian catastrophe of colossal scale.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hr-mcmaster-taliban-takeover-of-afghanistan

Despite the result(s), it was the right thing to do. Time to end that gaddam colossal nightmare in that medieval and isolated backward patch of mountains and plains and more mountains.

I mean, what was the US supposed to do when we really think about it? Fight the Taliban again for another 10 years and destroy that country a 4rth time and maybe they won't be back? Then what, were the Taliban really destroyable? Permanently removable? "Evacuated" as the Germans would call their solution to the Jewish question? Spend another 5 years making sure that incapable Afghan army will actually take up their arms and fight the much more grinded and dedicated and skillful and hardened Taliban fighters whom appear to believe that is their country to rule more than any other members?

The answers to all those questions is no, no, no and no. The US needed to get up and GTFO of there now and take the heat and criticism, just as Biden did and stick to his guns as in the end, a few years down the road when the US is absolved of committing its military to fight and die in these senseless wars, the mood will change and the decision will have a reversal of responsibility. Most people will be thinking along the lines that it was the right thing to do and it's much better that we're not there anymore, wasting trillions on what many can articulate as a totally lost cause -- or maybe not, we're yet to see what develops -- and limit all future missions to intel and air missions should there be any signs of terror camps popping up. And leave it at that. Time to devote everything to America and America only and enough of all these costly, endless, worldly adventures that really bring nothing but dread and misery and empty the coffers. This was the right thing to do.

WOW!


Benny@bennyjohnson·
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This Afghanistan vet just blew up MSNBC’s entire Biden-simping Afghanistan narrative LIVE ON AIR.

What a glorious takedown. Watch this.

Afghan Military Plane Downed by Uzbek Air Defences for Trying to Cross Border.

Although doesn't say what type of aircraft or what air defence system took it down.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202108161083620601-uzbekistans-military-says-afghan-air-force-plane-crashed-near-border-report-suggests/


Further to all the aircraft fleeing to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and Afghani Air force numbers

I know there is pictures going around of captured Mi-24, Mi-17, MD530, UH-60.


The Taliban apparently was not able to capture the entire AAF fleet, which numbered about 200 aircraft, though not all were operational when the U.S. watchdog that keeps tabs on war spending there last checked up on it.

Several dozen aircraft, flown by fleeing Afghan troops, were forced to land in Uzbekistan after crossing into that nation’s airspace on Monday, according to reports from the region. At least 22 military airplanes and 24 helicopters made it across the border into Uzbekistan, according to one report.

As of June 30, 2021, the AAF had 167 available aircraft among the 211 aircraft in its total inventory, according to the latest quarterly report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR). The AAF operated seven aircraft platforms including UH-60, MD-530, and Mi-17 helicopters as well as the A-29 Super Tucano, C-130 cargo aircraft, Cessna C-208 Caravan, and AC-208 fixed-wing aircraft.

Of 56 Mi-17 helicopters in its inventory at the end of June, 32 were “usable and in country,” according to SIGAR’s latest inventory of the Afghan fleet. The AAF had 43 usable MD 530Fs of 50 and 33 of 45 UH-60s ready to fly. Another 37 UH-60s purchased for the AAF remained in strategic reserve in the United States when the SIGAR report was published July 30. Three of those were to be delivered by July 23 and another three MD 530s to replace battle damaged aircraft were purchased but not delivered.

Afghan aircraft requiring depot-level and battle damage repairs are transported to maintenance facilities outside Afghanistan,” according to SIGAR. On June 29, Afghan media reported that 25 helicopters are out of country for repair.” “

Even before Kabul and most of the country fell to the Taliban, SIGAR reported that the AAF would struggle to maintain, repair and operate its helicopters once U.S. forces withdrew and took civilian contractor support with them. The aircraft already were overtaxed and operating beyond scheduled maintenance intervals in an attempt to hold back the Taliban tide.

“All aircraft platforms are overtaxed due to increased requests for close air support, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance missions, and aerial resupply now that the [Afghan National Defense and Security Forces] largely lacks U.S. air support.,” the SIGAR report said. “All airframes are flying at least 25 percent over their recommended scheduled-maintenance intervals.”

It was known as early as January 2021 “that without continued contractor support, none of the AAF’s airframes can be sustained as combat effective for more than a few months, depending on the stock of equipment parts in-country, the maintenance capability on each airframe, and the timing of contractor support withdrawal,” according to the SIGAR report

https://verticalmag.com/news/taliban-captures-afghan-helicopter-fleet-ast-us-personnel-evacuated/

More info on the chaos

Scenes from the Kabul airport on Sunday and Monday were chaotic. With commercial traffic shut down, U.S. personnel were rushed onto Air Force C-17 Globemaster transport jets. In one video from the airport, crowds of Afghans, fearing for their lives before the onrushing Taliban, are seen chasing a C-17 down the runway and climbing up its sides.


A later video shows desperate Afghans, who had clung to the exterior of the aircraft, plummeting to their deaths after it took off. The runway became so strewn with people at one point that AH-64 Apache attack helicopters were called in to perform show-of-force maneuvers and clear the way for the last C-17s to take off.

If you want a full list of equipment destroyed and captured here u go. Includes aircraft, helis, armour, UAV etc etc . It's not looking good.


A quick snapshot for full breakdown check the link.

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (2086, of which destroyed: 106, captured: 1980

Unmanned Aerial vehicles (7, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 6)

Aircraft and Helicopters (23, of which destroyed: 7, captured: 16)

Anti-aircraft guns (8, of which captured: 8.)

Artillery and Mortars (61, of which captured: 61)

Armoured fighting vehicles (60, of which destroyed: 9, captured: 51)

Tanks (12, of which captured: 12)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/06/disaster-at-hand-documenting-afghan.html?m=1

d_taddei2 wrote:Afghan Military Plane Downed by Uzbek Air Defences for Trying to Cross Border.

Although doesn't say what type of aircraft or what air defence system took it down.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202108161083620601-uzbekistans-military-says-afghan-air-force-plane-crashed-near-border-report-suggests/

They downed it by colliding an escorting MiG-29 against it



Looks like the Uzbek Air Force could use some more flight hours for training

At least all the pilots involved reportedly survived/ejected

No wonder the Taliban were unstoppable, they had Jihad Jesus fighting for them

At least we know where all the hair products in Kabul went...

miketheterrible wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Well, all the US puppet regimes there have something to think about, so let's wait and watch the results ...

Yeah, as I said to the wife how Uzbekistan was kissing uncle scams ass for a years while they decided to snub Russia. Now that they know their ass' are hanging in the wind, they go back to begging to Russia.

This is a huge wake up call to many that US does not have your back

I think this was because the Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov was jealous of Putin. He was jealous because Putin was rising faster than him and he was a senior to Putin, kind of like Luka, they talked about it on the Duran.

Since the new government in Uzbekistan and passing away of Islam Karimov Uzbekistan been getting closer and closer to Russia.

The Afghan army left a shit ton of pickups trying to cross the Amu Darya river, I just wish I was some where close, I would have been able to open a used pickup dealership.

https://southfront.org/dozens-of-afghan-aircraft-recently-crossed-border-with-uzbekistan-some-intercepted-by-air-defense-forces-videos/

auslander wrote:Now I am totally shocked. Uncle Sugar, Bank of England etc will not release Afghan assets to the new government? Good Lord, never heard of such a thing. Oh wait....

How much are these assets worth?

par far wrote:...I think this was because the Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov was jealous of Putin. He was jealous because Putin was rising faster than him and he was a senior to Putin, kind of like Luka, they talked about it on the Duran.

Since the new government in Uzbekistan and passing away of Islam Karimov Uzbekistan been getting closer and closer to Russia.

Uzbekistan is a grade-A shithole and he was the president of it

Even back when Russia was also a shithole Uzbekistan was still a bigger shithole by a massive margin

Uzbekistan will always be a shithole, it's a geographical and logical axiom

That irelevant nobody had some massive ego on him I give him that

"Where was all this media concern for women forced to live under brutal Islamist rule when it came to Syrian women forced to live under the rule of NATO-backed Salafi rebels? I don't recall any media concern—yet women are still being brutalized by NATO's jihadis in Idlib & Afrin."

Mark Ames

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Remind you of anywhere?

Yuri Lyamin
@imp_navigator
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It turns out that the Afghan Super Tucano in reality collided with the Uzbekistan MiG-29 and both aircraft crashed.. Overall 22 military aircraft and 24 military helicopters with 585 armed servicemen flew from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan on August 14-15.

Uzbekistan scored a bonanza (minus its own crashed MiG-29 ofc)

15 Super Tucanos. That's a respectable fleet

[ebed]https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1427213409829937152[/embed]

Also at least some Black Hawks

[ebed]https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1427319618016890882[/embed]

46 aircraft in total

Meanwhile Tajikistan didn't do so bad either  

[]https://twitter.com/PSFAERO/status/1427205322696011776[/embed]

Totally useless since no spare parts. They could fly for few hours before running out of special oil. Thry may sell them back with origine country agreement.

It is pointless to try to blame Trump or Biden for the ultimate result... when the US first went in there and decided to not include the Taleban in talks for the future of the country the future was set in stone... either the US had to destroy the Taleban completely, or the west was eventually going to lose patience and leave the country to the Taleban.

That is not to say that the current chaos is not Bidens fault, this was terrible, the way they left Afghanistan the way they went into Iraq... no obvious plan to protect the people... just protect that oil.

Funny there was a lot of interest in the west in the early 2000s regarding Soviet experience in Afghanistan... trying to learn something about the place to save a few lives... should really have paid more attention to the withdrawal...

Not the most well-thought through plan to escape Kabul

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:...I think this was because the Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov was jealous of Putin. He was jealous because Putin was rising faster than him and he was a senior to Putin, kind of like Luka, they talked about it on the Duran.

Since the new government in Uzbekistan and passing away of Islam Karimov Uzbekistan been getting closer and closer to Russia.

Uzbekistan is a grade-A shithole and he was the president of it

Even back when Russia was also a shithole Uzbekistan was still a bigger shithole by a massive margin

Uzbekistan will always be a shithole, it's a geographical and logical axiom

That irelevant nobody had some massive ego on him I give him that

Uzbekistan is actually fairly well developed, when I visited I was surprised how well it was developed, much better than Ukraine by quite a bit. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan was less developed