The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

No-one's going to support some 'shock and awe' campaign to clobber Ukrainian conscripts, destroy bridges, radio stations and all the rest of this shite

I think this will be a response to an attack by Kievs forces.... it is not a shock and awe crap show... just a mechanism to stop the attack and create a bit of panic amongst the conscripts so they retreat and expose the nazis they should be targeting...

If Russia wants to take over the Ukraine, it will just do it with lightning fast maneuvers to enclose territories, forcing troops to surrender and then raising local militias.

But why would they want to take over Ukraine?

Blunt any attacks from Kiev and help the locals crush their enemy, with heavy use of drones and stand off weapon attacks... and they seemed to be rather skilled at artillery too.

Russia is signalling that it will recognize the DNR and LNR as independent if Kiev does not fulfill its Minsk obligations.

Now we are talking... if Kiev does not fulfil its obligations to talk to the groups and sort something out then allowing them to break away is the only sensible option... let them have a referendum to decide.

Accepting them as independent regions means Russia can openly trade with them so they can earn currency and feed themselves and grow and develop and create a future for themselves.

Russia accepting the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia led to Tiblisi attacking to take them back... Putin basically forced their hands in response to Kosovo declaring independence... if Kiev tries anything stupid Russia can use any means it likes to sort them out and even if they were HATO members there would be no grounds to get involved.

And presumably independent states need a proper border, not a trench system. Something Ukraine is always bleating on about re its border with Russia and getting money from the US to do it.

AFAIK at the moment Ukraine and OSCE monitor the border with Russia to prevent weapons crossing etc, but this development would mean these independent regions would take control of their own border with Russia... and they can decide what can cross....

Hopefully this time Russia’s OPSEC will be a lot better in Ukraine than last time. Seeing Russian soldiers posting selfie’s in Ukraine on social media was cringeworthy.

ALAMO wrote:They don't give a shit.
As soon as they will start to care - you won't even hear what hit you.

They cared enough for their parliament to pass a law banning soldiers from having/using phones during operations smart guy. So actually they care quite a bit.

But I can’t expect a guy who has never been to Russia and isn’t even Russian himself to know much other than the retarded propaganda paraded on this forum. No one in Russia wants this war or supports it. Even if they understand it might be necessary.

Boohoo. Your pets are going to get their asses smoked and there is not a damn thing you can do about it but cry.

lyle6 wrote:Boohoo. Your pets are going to get their asses smoked and there is not a damn thing you can do about it but cry.

Yeah when I go to Russia again I’ll have to buy my family and friends shoes and smartphones when the rubbles devalues to 120 for 1 dollar.

"5th RAF C-17 headed to Ukraine. That's a maximum of 854,500 lbs possible payload."

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1483487049332461568

The UK is supplying NLAWs to Ukraine.

Firebird wrote:
Another direction contravention of the Minsk agreement by the Americans and their little gimps in London. Russia needs to hold the perpetrators and not just the pathetic hohol puppets responsible.

Video of the ATGM delivery: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1483516639295463441

ALAMO wrote:Anyone tried to lurk, what missiles those are?
A quite specific container, but I cant figure the type

Same

So NATzO and its Kiev regime stooges are going to start a war against the Donbass and Russia. This is why
they are bleating so hard about a Russian invasion. Conditioning their sheeple masses to align behind a
"just war". The same crusader shit as for the last 1000 years.

According to Pushilin the Kiev regime has concentrated forces on the LOS which are between 2 and 3 times
greater than those of the LDNR. Of course, this concentration of forces is a full on violation of the ceasefire.
But all you hear is about some Russian invasion. The "Russians" are the LDNR forces. If they fight back against
the Kiev regime ethnic cleansing operation, then the NATzO fake stream media will be calling them the Russian army.

The New York Times has been spreading misinformation about Russia moving out the families of its diplomats in
Kiev as if that proves Russia is going to invade. Zakharova dismissed the claims. But in my opinion it would be
rational to move them out precisely because NATzO and Kiev are planning to start a war.

The Pentagon's claims about Russia planning false flag operations in the Donbass and elsewhere is clearly cover
for the Kiev regime to stage the attacks (e.g. on civilians like it has been doing) and then claim that it was Russia
that did it. Russia needs to punish NATzO for this. Such NATzO false flag theater needs to cost NATzO dearly.

The motive for the Kiev regime to start a war is clear. Banderastan is about to start running out of bread since
there is no gas to power the bakeries. Yes, that's a fact and the Ukr mass media is even talking about it. There
is a high chance that the Kiev regime will not survive this winter. That is even without any rent-a-crowd show
on the Maidan. People will riot all over the country as starvation starts to set in. So starting a war is just more
of the same as we have seen since 2014. The Kiev regime's phony legitimacy rests on war against Russians.

Volodin made a statement that there is an information campaign being waged by NATzO to lubricate the deployment
of NATzO forces into Banderastan. Like I said, the prattle about no military action is a bluff. NATzO is invested in
its colour coup regime in Kiev. It will fight to keep it in power.

It looks like NATzO will pull the same move as Suckshitvilli in 2008 during the Olympics. So the Beijing Winter Olympics
in February is likely when the Kiev regime will start its "restoration of constitutional authority" war.

Well, so long as Russia provides proof and throws it around on media, then they still get upper hand.

This time though, I doubt Russia will sit idle if Ukraine attacks. I hope they won't at least.

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Anyone tried to lurk, what missiles those are?
A quite specific container, but I cant figure the type

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT_LAW

Effective firing range 20 to 600 m

Ouch.

Doesn't Ukraine have more better systems left over from USSR?

miketheterrible wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Anyone tried to lurk, what missiles those are?
A quite specific container, but I cant figure the type

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT_LAW

Effective firing range 20 to 600 m

Ouch.

Doesn't Ukraine have more better systems left over from USSR?

Rpg-7. It can be fired at anything.

This thing is over engineer with some shitty above tank explosion. Its usefulness against any other target would be shitty, like against an improvised bunker. Nor you can have it in decent numbers.

It's also expensive since it is full of electronics and its warheads won't be enough against ERA.

Not to say that at 600m if an unrainian soldier fires it he will be spotted and killed. I think in front of the russian tanks he will just give it to them in exchange of its life.

Those missiles are just sent there to increase the number of deaths. Ukraine use it good then it kills a russian then russian bomb more ukraine. It doesn't kill a russian then the ukrainian is killed. It won't change the course of war at all.

UK are a piss of shit.

At least in case of war with no weapon ukrainians won't fight and the war won't be bloody at all.

They cost around £22-25k each that's expensive, and I am shocked to see the speed
Muzzle velocity:
Initial: 40 m/s
Maximum: High Subsonic: 200 m/s

The RPG-7 which was designed more than half a century ago is far better in price and speed
115 m/s initial
300 m/s in flight

Oh well what do you expect from Western technology

d_taddei2 wrote:
Oh well what do you expect from Western technology

I bet the profit margin was better