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    Post  lancelot Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:47 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:They are not getting gas from Yamal Peninsula, it will go to Power of Siberia 2

    Doing business with EU is a liability, it's too much trouble to save them money for what they pulled

    Sell all capacity to China, Yamal Nenets cannot supply Europe

    Maybe in the future the shtokman fields in barents can feed nord stream 2, but we have to reduce gas through Belarus and Ukraine, it's too great of a liability and it was not smart to give Lukashenko and 404 ever a hand in transit fees

    EU should buy LNG from US and Qatar maybe in 10 years we can discuss reactivating nord stream 2, for now we should focus on Power of Siberia 2 and LNG projects

    In fact even if NS 2 is diverted to Kaliningrad, there is no excess supply once Siberia 2 is running

    Kaliningrad should receive LNG from offshore NOVATEK plants,  Nord Stream 2 is at this point a sunk cost

    There is no way Europe can replace Russian gas imports with imports from Qatar and the US. You have to keep in mind a lot of the LNG is already spoken for and has been purchased in long term contracts. There is no spare capacity and there is no way Europe can totally replace Russian natural gas with LNG. At best they will make a token effort and make minimal imports. Once gas production in the Netherlands shuts down their problems will only increase.

    I think they will just activate NS2 once people stop talking about it.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:08 am

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, anything that happens you pop up and say it is all going to plan...


    Straw man.

    Moreover a psy op has nothing to do with allied buy-in. See the Iraq war, and the build up. Every capital in the world knows what's afoot - no one is "fooled". The question is, can they change the narrative... or to better phrase it... can or will they challenge the narrative? Will the challenge be persistent or a fart in the wind of a days worth news cycle? Even if they challenge the narrative, will it make a dent on the predominant flow? Russia of course tries but it's simply drowned out as usual - their propaganda organs can't compete. The Germans, French etc, just like with the Iraq war and other U.S/UK adventures try to distance themselves, or keep quiet playing good cop, operating at the margins but they know not to stray too far from the established narrative coming out of the U.S/UK. "Fvck the EU"....Victoria Nuland.

    You're conflating different things to cry for bs on top of a generalized strawman. Try again kiddo.

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    Post  Backman Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:28 am

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Probably a part of a false flag operation. Remember the clown presidents quotes 2 days ago.

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    Post  mr_hd Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:14 pm

    My opinion is that Russia is just making a lot of noise and smoke with Ukraine, sensing that US is in decline and making push in order to gain some power on international stage.
    But as Ukraine itself is concerned - there is no chance that Russia can force that country under its safety zone. Window for that is over and the more Russia make pressure the problem will grow for future and it will be Russian problem too, not only Ukrainian.

    Overall as I said months ago it is also proved that Putin's Russia is non reliable country that is more than happy to make international crisis in order to jump on opportunistic gains. So country is also heavy involved in couple of hot spots in order to bring more destabilization.
    We can remember few years ago how Putin claimed that Russia is brining something different to world stage, with more integrity and accountability compared to "corrupted" US - that is also quite a nonsense in this time perspective lol.

    The problem for Russia and US is that we are moving full speed into multipolar world, this means neither US nor Russia have power they had  20-30 years ago, and both will continue to decline in mid term so we will have more crisis all over places and both will create tantrums in the process.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:19 pm



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    “Not only will we not send the military, but if there is an escalation, we will recall every last Croatian military man. This has nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia, it has to do with the dynamics of American domestic politics.”

    — Z Milanovic, president of NATO-member Croatia

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:26 pm

    What do you think about this hypothetical scenario???


    http://thesaker.is/ukraine-and-russian-escalation-dominance-a-fiction/

    Ukraine and Russian escalation dominance: A Fiction

    January 25, 2022

    This is complete fiction based on the current situation. We post it as a counterweight to the fiction produced by the western corporate media

    by rzw for the Saker Blog

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:26 pm

    @ ATLASCUB

    What is happening now , is more than mere exercises or propaganda by Russia , trying to change a narrative . Russia has RT news , and I for one , listen to it more than CNN . There is movement on the ground , by potentially nuclear armed forces . Even if one of the dozens of ships at sea , carry nukes then it should be of great concern for all . As well as real possibility of disruptions of fuel to Europe , that will lead to great hardship .

    A government spokesperson of a Baltic Republic , said yesterday on TV , that it was their right to join NATO . And the threat came from Russia , not NATO . But I disagree with this analysis . Europe and America together have a population of 700 million . With a GDP and combined military expenditure far greater than Russia . And they station their combined troops next to Russia . In a way that disturbs the balance of nuclear forces , by ABM units . As well as there being American Nukes in the Netherlands and Italy and Turkey . NATO troops in Europe are almost 70,000 .

    Now I am sure that many NATO members think that joining this club is their right , and they are free to join . But joining  this club , is not like joining you local tennis club . And I think they make a mistake in this , in peacetime . Thinking from the comfort of their soft executive armchair , paid for by the yanks . But joining this club has real consequences for them and others . It is not a game of fun or a tennis club . But even if you join a tennis club , you have to be ready to get tennis elbow ! Or an overdeveloped right hand .
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:36 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    A government spokesperson of a Baltic Republic , said yesterday on TV , that it was their right to join NATO .

    Now I am sure that many NATO members think that joining this club is their right , and they are free to join . But joining  this club , is not like joining you local tennis club . And I think they make a mistake in this , in peacetime . From the comfort of their soft executive armchair , paid for by the yanks . But joining this club has real consequences for them and others . It is not a game of fun . Or a tennis club . But even if you join a tennis club , you have to be ready to get tennis elbow ! Or an overdeveloped right hand .


    NATO is like many other clubs, people can apply to join but the club has the right to say no. They said no to Russia.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:29 pm

    mr_hd wrote:My opinion is that Russia is just making a lot of noise and smoke with Ukraine, sensing that US is in decline and making push in order to gain some power on international stage.
    But as Ukraine itself is concerned - there is no chance that Russia can force that country under its safety zone. Window for that is over and the more Russia make pressure the problem will grow for future and it will be Russian problem too, not only Ukrainian.

    Overall as I said months ago it is also proved that Putin's Russia is non reliable country that is more than happy to make international crisis in order to jump on opportunistic gains. So country is also heavy involved in couple of hot spots in order to bring more destabilization.
    We can remember few years ago how Putin claimed that Russia is brining something different to world stage, with more integrity and accountability compared to "corrupted" US - that is also quite a nonsense in this time perspective lol.

    The problem for Russia and US is that we are moving full speed into multipolar world, this means neither US nor Russia have power they had  20-30 years ago, and both will continue to decline in mid term so we will have more crisis all over places and both will create tantrums in the process.

    Multipolarity is exactly what Russia wants. And where did Russia ever create a crisis?

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:28 pm

    @ JohninMK

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule


    I could not believe this , when you said it . But looks like you are right , Russia did want to join at one point , on account of common European heritage . But then they should not complain about NATO expansion , but they do !  Sometime ago , a Russian poster on IMF ( Iran military forum ) , was saying the same thing to me ; we are Europeans and want to join with Europe .

    But NATO , does not resolve national differences . Both Britain and France are NATO , but they almost went into war recently over the fate of a dozen fishing Boats in the channel , and fishing rights over some Crabs or molluscs . They were arguing over , who had the rights to catch Crabs ! Suppose by some miracle that Russia is initially accepted as part of NATO . Then what would happen over Libya or Syria or Yugoslavia ? Would the Russians leave NATO , because they had decided against the attacks ? Or would it stay in and at the same time fly planes to bomb and use it's AD to shoot planes down ?

    And surely if Russia says that NATO expansion is destabilising , then it's joining would also create greater instability against some other nation . Say China ! Since any nation or group of nations in a superior military position , will come to use it against weaker nations , as it has the potential . The trick is , to allow a balance of forces in the world , where no nation is at a great disadvantage .

    Therefore reality fights back against our desires or wants . Any strong nation or group of nations ultimately sets out on an expansionist course . And as a result destroys itself . Or catches Crabs ! With their very well developed tennis Right hand .
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    Post  LMFS Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:51 pm

    mr_hd wrote:My opinion is that Russia is just making a lot of noise and smoke with Ukraine, sensing that US is in decline and making push in order to gain some power on international stage.
    But as Ukraine itself is concerned - there is no chance that Russia can force that country under its safety zone. Window for that is over and the more Russia make pressure the problem will grow for future and it will be Russian problem too, not only Ukrainian.

    Overall as I said months ago it is also proved that Putin's Russia is non reliable country that is more than happy to make international crisis in order to jump on opportunistic gains. So country is also heavy involved in couple of hot spots in order to bring more destabilization.
    We can remember few years ago how Putin claimed that Russia is brining something different to world stage, with more integrity and accountability compared to "corrupted" US - that is also quite a nonsense in this time perspective lol.

    The problem for Russia and US is that we are moving full speed into multipolar world, this means neither US nor Russia have power they had  20-30 years ago, and both will continue to decline in mid term so we will have more crisis all over places and both will create tantrums in the process.

    Russia does not have the power it had in the 90's and early 2000's, good joke clown clown clown clown clown

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    Post  Azi Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:53 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:What do you think about this hypothetical scenario???


    http://thesaker.is/ukraine-and-russian-escalation-dominance-a-fiction/

    Ukraine and Russian escalation dominance: A Fiction

    January 25, 2022

    This is complete fiction based on the current situation.  We post it as a counterweight to the fiction produced by the western corporate media

    by rzw for the Saker Blog
    Sounds more or less realistic!
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    Post  Azi Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:25 pm

    What you guys never should forget...It's not about Ukraine, it's 100 % only about Russia (and EU...see below). USA and UK want to impose sanctions on Russia on any cost. Ukraine is just a tool. Retards as politicians cultivated and paid by western NGOs and spy agencies for decades in Ukraine would do anything their puppet masters want them to do...even suicide!

    You all saw the last years how good russian economy is performing, they substituted in many sectors western products. Russian economy is gaining a massive momentum and it's not going to stop anytime soon. So literally this is the LAST chance for USA and the older mishappend sibbling UK to stop Russia and force a regime change. In western countries we hear how bad the russian economy is nonstop X-D LOL the propaganda works nonstop since many years....even in Ukraine the people think they are richer than people in Russia. Very Happy LOL

    No matter what Russia will do, the USA will escalate the situation in Ukraine, trying to force Russia (it's prepared!) for an invasion. Even if Russia will do nothing, they speak in USA about preemptive sanctions. X-D

    Second point is not only about Russia, it's the EU. The european community was born from the idea of the europeans and the terrible experience in WW2. It was a political project from the beginning and it took nearly 50 years to create something like the EU. The biggest adversary for USA is not Russia, or China...it's the EU. All countries combined have a GDP higher than USA and China, even with PPP is higher than China. USA cultivated for the last 20 years puppets in the EU and overtook the mainstreamedia in nearly all EU countries. The spearhead of Uncle Sam are the baltic countries and Poland. So what is with EU now??? In a conflict with Russia the central part of EU (Germany, Austria, France, Benelux) will suffer even more than Russia would do. With energy prices skyrocketing Uncle Sam would earn good money with LNG and weaken the EU...positioning the USA as the Master of Europe for the next 20-30 years. The very important point is...is the the EU ready and willing to commit economic suicide? The trolls and US puppets are working hard to rally the EU for sanctions against Russia, but the weak spot is Germany... here the media war is raging to draw Germany deeper into the conflict. USA want Germany to commit economic suicide, they buyed and own the Greens (started as pacifists, but voted with YES in the Reichstag the last 20 years for EVERY military intervention in favor of USA) but the SPD is a bulwark of sanity at the moment. But I think they can't withstand the media terror at moment ongoing for too long.

    Interesting weeks lie ahead of us. Wink

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:55 pm

    Documents expose US biological experiments on allied soldiers in Ukraine and Georgia
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 DTRA-Georgia-1024x683
    The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) program in the Republic of Georgia. Photo: Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia

    While the US is planning to increase its military presence in Eastern Europe to “protect its allies against Russia”, internal documents show what American “protection” in practical terms means.

    The Pentagon has conducted biological experiments with a potentially lethal outcome on 4,400 soldiers in Ukraine and 1,000 soldiers in Georgia. According to leaked documents, all volunteer deaths should be reported within 24 h (in Ukraine) and 48 h (in Georgia).

    Both countries are considered the most loyal US partners in the region with a number of Pentagon programs being implemented in their territory. One of them is the $2.5 billion Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) Biological engagement program which includes research on bio agents, deadly viruses and antibiotic-resistant bacteria being studied on the local population.

    Project GG-21: “All volunteer deaths will be promptly reported”

    The Pentagon has launched a 5-year long project with a possible extension of up to 3 years code-named GG-21: “Arthropod-borne and zoonotic infections among military personnel in Georgia”. According to the project’s description, blood samples will be obtained from 1,000 military recruits at the time of their military registration physical exam at the Georgian military hospital located in Gori.

    The samples will be tested for antibodies against fourteen pathogens:

    -Bacillus anthracis
    -Brucella
    -CCHF virus
    -Coxiella burnetii
    -Francisella tularensis
    -Hantavirus
    -Rickettsia species
    -TBE virus
    -Bartonella species
    -Borrelia species
    -Ehlrichia species
    -Leptospira species
    -Salmonella typhi
    -WNV

    The amount of blood draw will be 10 ml. Samples will be stored indefinitely at the NCDC (Lugar Center) or USAMRU-G and aliquots might be sent to WRAIR headquarters in US for future research studies. Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR) is the largest biomedical research facility administered by the U.S. Department of Defense. The results of the blood testing will not be provided to the study participants.

    Such a procedure cannot cause death. However, according to the project report, “all volunteer deaths will be promptly reported (usually within 48 h of the PI being notified)” to the Georgian Military Hospital and WRAIR.

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    According to the GG-21 project report, “all volunteer deaths will be promptly reported” to the Georgian military hospital and WRAIR, USA.

    The soldiers’ blood samples will be stored and further tested at the Lugar Center, a $180 million Pentagon-funded facility in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.

    The Lugar Center has become notorious in the last years for controversial activities , laboratory incidents and scandals surrounding the US drug giant Gilead’s Hepatitis C program in Georgia which has resulted in at least 248 deaths of patients . The cause of death in the majority of cases has been listed as unknown, internal documents have shown.

    The Georgian project GG-21 has been funded by DTRA and implemented by American military scientists from a special US Army unit code-named USAMRU-G who operate in the Lugar Center. They have been given diplomatic immunity in Georgia to research bacteria, viruses and toxins without being diplomats. This unit is subordinate to the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR).

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 Lugar-Center
    The Lugar Center is the $180 million Pentagon-funded biolaboratory in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.

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    A diplomatic car with a registration plate of the US Embassy to Tbilisi in the car park of the Lugar Center. US scientists working at the Pentagon laboratory in Georgia drive diplomatic vehicles as they have been given diplomatic immunity. Photos: Dilyana Gaytandzhieva

    Documents obtained from the US Federal contracts registry show that USAMRU-G is expanding its activities to other US allies in the region and is “establishing expeditionary capabilities” in Georgia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Latvia and any future locations. The next USAMRU-G project involving biological tests on soldiers is due to start in March of this year at the Bulgarian Military Hospital in Sofia.

    Project UP-8: All deaths of study participants should be reported within 24 h

    The Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has funded a similar project involving soldiers in Ukraine code-named UP-8: The spread of  Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine and the potential need for differential diagnosis in patients with suspected leptospirosis. The project started in 2017 and was extended few times until 2020, internal documents show.

    According to the project’s description, blood samples will be collected from 4,400 healthy soldiers in Lviv, Kharkov, Odesa and Kyiv. 4,000 of these samples will be tested for antibodies against hantaviruses, and 400 of them – for the presence of antibodies against Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) virus. The results of the blood testing will not be provided to the study participants.

    There is no information as to what other procedures will be performed except that “serious incidents, including deaths should be reported within 24 hours . All deaths of study subjects that are suspected or known to be related to the research procedures should be brought to the attention of the bioethics committees in the USA and Ukraine.”

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 UP-8-page-014-scaled
    Blood samples from 4,000 Ukrainian soldiers will be tested for hantaviruses. Another 400 blood samples will be tested for CCHF under the DTRA-sponsored Ukrainian Project UP-8.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 UP-8-page-023-scaled
    Project UP-8: “Serious incidents, including deaths should be reported within 24 hours. All deaths of study subjects that are suspected or known to be related to the research procedures should be brought to the attention of the bioethics committees in the USA and Ukraine.” Source: ukr-leaks.org

    DTRA has allocated $80 million for biological research in Ukraine as of 30 July 2020, according to information obtained from the US Federal contracts registry. Tasked with the program is the US company Black &Veatch Special Projects Corp.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 HDTRA108D0007000429

    Another DTRA contractor operating in Ukraine is CH2M Hill. The American company has been awarded a $22.8 million contract (2020-2023) for the reconstruction and equipment of two biolaboratories:  the State Scientific Research Institute of Laboratory Diagnostics and Veterinary-Sanitary Expertise (Kyiv ILD) and the State Service of Ukraine for Food Safety and Consumer Protection Regional Diagnostic Laboratory (Odesa RDL).

    US personnel are indemnified for deaths and injuries to the local population

    The DTRA activities in Georgia and Ukraine fall under the protection of special bilateral agreements. According to these agreements, Georgia and Ukraine shall hold harmless, bring no legal proceedings and indemnify the United States and its personnel, contractors and contractors’ personnel, for damage to property, or death or injury to any persons in Georgia and Ukraine, arising out of activities under this Agreement. If DTRA-sponsored scientists cause deaths or injuries to the local population they cannot be held to account.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 Georgia
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 26 Ukraine

    Furthermore, according to the US-Ukraine Agreement, claims by third parties for deaths and injuries in Ukraine, arising out of the acts or omissions of any employees of the United States related to work under this Agreement, shall be the responsibility of Ukraine.

    http://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us-biological-experiments-on-allied-soldiers-in-ukraine-and-georgia/



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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:11 pm

    Put your trust in Pfizer and Moderna. It's not like their GMO "vaccines" are any sort of war crime level experiment.

    The deciders in Washington are spooging themselves thinking about targeted virus weapons. They could exterminate
    Russians and Chinese at their leisure. The Wuhan lab was an NIH sponsored operation. People think that China is
    a monolithic totalitarian dystopia. In the real world it has pro-western factions that are bought and sold by Washington.
    Russia has them too. But they are been squeezed.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:21 pm

    kvs wrote:Put your trust in Pfizer and Moderna.   It's not like their GMO "vaccines" are any sort of war crime level experiment.

    The deciders in Washington are spooging themselves thinking about targeted virus weapons.   They could exterminate
    Russians and Chinese at their leisure.   The Wuhan lab was an NIH sponsored operation.   People think that China is
    a monolithic totalitarian dystopia.   In the real world it has pro-western factions that are bought and sold by Washington.
    Russia has them too.   But they are been squeezed.


    What's crazy is these agreements with these host countries are almost 'exactly' like the ones with Pfizer, where the host country takes on 'all' the blame and financial burden of medical related deaths of experiments  err 'treatments'. We also know a bio-weapons lab in North Carolina imported bats from Wuhan, China back in 2015, and where they admitted to experimenting with weaponized versions of SARS-Covid-19.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:23 pm

    The US provided a written response from Russia regarding the security guarantees.  The letter will not be released scratch

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:29 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:They are not getting gas from Yamal Peninsula, it will go to Power of Siberia 2

    Doing business with EU is a liability, it's too much trouble to save them money for what they pulled

    Sell all capacity to China, Yamal Nenets cannot supply Europe

    Maybe in the future the shtokman fields in barents can feed nord stream 2, but we have to reduce gas through Belarus and Ukraine, it's too great of a liability and it was not smart to give Lukashenko and 404 ever a hand in transit fees

    EU should buy LNG from US and Qatar maybe in 10 years we can discuss reactivating nord stream 2, for now we should focus on Power of Siberia 2 and LNG projects

    In fact even if NS 2 is diverted to Kaliningrad, there is no excess supply once Siberia 2 is running

    Kaliningrad should receive LNG from offshore NOVATEK plants,  Nord Stream 2 is at this point a sunk cost

    There is no way Europe can replace Russian gas imports with imports from Qatar and the US. You have to keep in mind a lot of the LNG is already spoken for and has been purchased in long term contracts. There is no spare capacity and there is no way Europe can totally replace Russian natural gas with LNG. At best they will make a token effort and make minimal imports. Once gas production in the Netherlands shuts down their problems will only increase.

    I think they will just activate NS2 once people stop talking about it.
    It's their problem not Russias , it's too risky to do business with EU
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:31 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/547447-russia-us-nato-security-response/

    Russia receives US response to security proposals

    Envoy delivers American and NATO reactions to Russian offer

    The State Department has reportedly asked Russia not to make its response public. Speaking at the Russian parliament earlier on Wednesday, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that the ministry would communicate the “essence of their reaction” to the Russian public.

    So the US dont want it public, most likely they have capitulated , this is embarassing if so, and Russia should publicize this

    They were bluffing, I mean 8500 troops, what is that?

    They are tied up with China, they have lost Europe, but Europe should figure itself out

    Russia should trade with China , whatever is leftover can go to EU

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:35 pm

    It becomes sus when the US doesn't want it public.

    Then again, Americans and Europeans aren't very....smart.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:36 pm

    Remind you, that one of the points in the Soviet-US agreement that ended the Cuban crisis, was a demand that the Soviets won't reveal the fact that they forced the US to withdraw missiles from both Italy and Turkey.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:34 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:What do you think about this hypothetical scenario???


    http://thesaker.is/ukraine-and-russian-escalation-dominance-a-fiction/

    Ukraine and Russian escalation dominance: A Fiction

    January 25, 2022

    This is complete fiction based on the current situation.  We post it as a counterweight to the fiction produced by the western corporate media

    by rzw for the Saker Blog
    Sounds more or less realistic!

    The attack scenario against the bridge is unrealistic. There are S-400, Buk and Tor systems in close proximity and one Pantsir battery alone has 48 missiles. A few slow missiles are not a great problem for them.

    Also Russia will not attack NATO style = destroy civilian infrastructure and target civilians/embassies and the like. No need for that.

    The amphibious and air assault would go ahead simultaniously, shortly after the second or third wave of missile attacks.

    The special operations to seize bridges and NPP´s sounds legit.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:51 pm




    So agree that if this is the case , that it be made public . Even if this is not the case , it should be made public . Since the national will needs to be mobilized to defend national interests . The truth must be told .
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    Post  Arrow Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:41 pm

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-01-26/french-presidents-office-russia-ukraine-france-and-germany-agree-to-hold-new-talks-in-two-weeks-on-ukraine-conflict

    These next talks will not bring anything in anyway.Ukraine is unlikely to change its behavior towards Donbas
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