The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

Hole wrote:In other words: the whole west capitulated. They can do nothing against Russia so they beg the Chinese. Chinese reaction:

Apparently Weng Li ripped Blinkin a new one.

That is standard procedure.

They ask the Cubans for "help" on Venezuela.

Russia for "help" on Iran etc...

Iran for "help" on Syria...

They'll always do these sort of things on allies or "patrons" of the targeted victim.

It's a ruse fishing for idiots. Not that it needs explanation but then again dimwits are plenty. Specially those hooked to the propaganda koolaid that take some literal meaning of it.

"Capitulation"....

Russia is about to split from the most important economic bloc on the planet (U.S/EU) but somehow it's all gonna be okay cause "China". It's a fucking tragedy. The path forward is not easier, it's harder, with more obstacles, and more antagonism. Obviously the West believes it can withstand it (open to debate), but surely they do if history is a guide as they didn't build themselves on the back of Russia.... but the Chinese "rejuvenation" did so on the back of the West. Russia's rejuvenation is getting nipped in the bud before it grows into a China 2.0 problem.... or so is the idea. Regardless it's the course of history, as is the human condition. The + side is that there are benefits to nations whose current world order has completely marginalized and made to suffer - it will however balance out somewhere else unfortunately and obviously everyone hopes it doesn't balance on "them" - whomever that may be, in plural, in the so called "family" of nations.

TMA1 wrote:Haha she says we need to stop this struggle so we can go back to "build back better". She might as well say "our meddling in east europe and central asia is your fault we need to get back to our nefarious plans for the future". Ffs

China is amassing thousands of
troops and dozens of missile regiments and fighter squadrons on its border with India and across the straits from Taiwan. Yet, the only troop mobilization that seems to concern the West is the one carried out by Russia. The usual western double standard.

Sujoy wrote:

TMA1 wrote:Haha she says we need to stop this struggle so we can go back to "build back better". She might as well say "our meddling in east europe and central asia is your fault we need to get back to our nefarious plans for the future". Ffs

China is amassing  thousands of
troops and dozens of missile regiments and fighter squadrons on its border with India and across the straits from Taiwan. Yet, the only troop mobilization that seems to concern the West is the one carried out by Russia. The usual western double standard.

The west is over-invested in its manufacturing offshore racket in China. This cannot be underestimated. In spite of rising anti-China propaganda
in the USA and elsewhere, there is still a lot of shilling and cover being run for China.

It is really too bad that China and India are at odds. This only helps the maggots in the west.

Sometimes you need one of your own, outside the bubble itself to spell it out for you....

https://shurigin.livejournal.com/868091.html

Obviously disagree with the conclusion on course of action - which has been telegraphed by the Kremlin already - it's not original thought - simple damage control for lack of creative thought (damage already being built in). Nothing unusual with Russian "analysts" of the type - defaulting to the Kremlin line, despite carefully diagnosing the mistakes made and laying out the criticism for what got you into the mess in the first place. Then again, old fool Biden was right.... "...has no good options". It's a bulletproof trap at this advanced stage.  A trap dear leader and cadre willfully fell into, instead of acting decisively when they had the chance. No president in the West would survive something like this (despite obviously being a collective failure). But Russia is not a western country. Hunter and prey... he got those right. The weak must suffer what they must...

JohninMK wrote:Victor
@vicktop55
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So, tomorrow Ukraine, Poland and Great Britain will conclude a triple military alliance?  Johnson arrives in Kiev, Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki will also be there. What can Russia say to this?  Will bomb or express regret?

The Russians mod will all have a good laugh. I know that.

No alliance will be formed. And if one is formed, it will be a paper alliance

The heyday of western crusades has long passed.   Of course, that has not changed the mentality of western "ubermenschen" but
NATzO consists of one owner and his used condoms.

kvs wrote:The heyday of western crusades has long passed.   Of course, that has not changed the mentality of western "ubermenschen" but
NATzO consists of one owner and his used condoms.

It's funny but as we have noticed, and how even the UK admitted multiple times, they would abandon Ukraine quickly. The Brits have zero ability to move much and quick. In the end, as I said, paper alliance. What's beneficial to Russia is that these piss ant nations sign such agreements. So that when push comes to shove and Russia is forced to act, the Poles and Brits will be first ones fleeing back home and they will more or less destroy their own images even further than it is. No one will trust them in the future.

Express regret ? Why ? Should express joy ! Look at the map , it is all different colours . A few weeks back , it was all the same colours . They say that if Russia makes a move into Ukraine , that it will unite entire Europe against it ! But even before Russia made a move , Europe showed it's true colours ! As soon as the first Polish or British trooper is killed or injured to "save " Ukraine , this alliance will change colours again . A multi - coloured rainbow flag of Europe !...



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rPatbTgc100

They'll always do these sort of things on allies or "patrons" of the targeted victim.

It's a ruse fishing for idiots. Not that it needs explanation but then again dimwits are plenty.

Hahahaha.... yeah, we are the idiots for not understanding the genius of the US leadership and diplomacy arm of the US government.

Like the bit in the day after tomorrow when Americans moved enmass to Mexico because of devastating weather... you know... because Mexico owed them a new country....

That is standard procedure.

They ask the Cubans for "help" on Venezuela.

Russia for "help" on Iran etc...

Iran for "help" on Syria...

It is standard procedure for idiots who live in yes man bubbles who thinks the world basically wants them to rule them with an iron fist because some one has to... and do you thin Russia or China would be better at it than America... America are nice and Russia and China are evil empty monsters.

That is what the evil empty monster tells itself to sleep at night but we don't need to hear it from its blindest cheerleader..

Russia is about to split from the most important economic bloc on the planet (U.S/EU) but somehow it's all gonna be okay cause "China". It's a fucking tragedy.

Well on the positive side that means even you have worked it out... that this is Russia deciding its future path, or having the US and EU decide it for them really...

But they decided in the mid 1990s... Russia is destroyed and can never come back.... it is beaten like Germany and Japan and we do not consider it an equal and never will.

The path forward is not easier, it's harder, with more obstacles, and more antagonism. Obviously the West believes it can withstand it (open to debate), but surely they do if history is a guide as they didn't build themselves on the back of Russia.... but the Chinese "rejuvenation" did so on the back of the West. Russia's rejuvenation is getting nipped in the bud before it grows into a China 2.0 problem.... or so is the idea. Regardless it's the course of history, as is the human condition. The + side is that there are benefits to nations whose current world order has completely marginalized and made to suffer - it will however balance out somewhere else unfortunately and obviously everyone hopes it doesn't balance on "them" - whomever that may be, in plural, in the so called "family" of nations.

When Biden slips and falls walking up stairs you would congratulate him on his grace and balance and how it is all a clever ruse to fool gravity into thinking this guy is an old man.

China has way more ties to the US and international community that the US could have gone for to break them... Russia is strong but they have more levers to damage China, and Russia with a destroyed China is much easier prey... it would destroy BRICS to lose the C and the R because they are the lynch pins... but America are pussies, and not just pussies, they are also arseholes... breaking up the EU and Russia didn't damage the US very much at all because trade with Russia for the US mostly still continues because it is stuff the US desperately needs like aluminium and titanium and rocket motors and oil and gas, so the US picked Russia because economically it is weaker, but forgets it is militarily much stronger... the US went into the bear cage to slap the baby bear cub and the mother bear is there instead, and not being very bright the US said what it wanted to do it the baby bear and now it is an angry mother bear so the US turns to the animal in the next cage and says he needs a little help with the bear who for some reason seems angry and they don't know why... he just wanted to **** a baby bear is all. Well the dragon in the next cage is saying his cage is open and if momma bear wants him to hold you down, he is happy to oblige.

But it is all the genius of the plan because under that shirt that keeper is evil superman right?

Unfortunately for evil superman his kryptonite is the claws and teeth of a bear and the claws and teeth of a dragon...

China is amassing thousands of
troops and dozens of missile regiments and fighter squadrons on its border with India and across the straits from Taiwan. Yet, the only troop mobilization that seems to concern the West is the one carried out by Russia. The usual western double standard.

The HATO forces are all moving over the last few years eastwards... tunnel vision.

It is really too bad that China and India are at odds. This only helps the maggots in the west.

When western countries move their factories from China to Bangledesh, India will realised they are just a meat shield being used and hopefully start talking to China.

They will move to Bangledesh because labour is even cheaper as is life.

So, tomorrow Ukraine, Poland and Great Britain will conclude a triple military alliance? Johnson arrives in Kiev, Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki will also be there. What can Russia say to this? Will bomb or express regret?

Hahahahahaha... change the Ukraine for the Soviet Union and this is the defence pact Stalin wanted before WWII started...

Most likely Russia wont care because it is totally meaningless.

Why not add Fiji and the Cook Islands to the alliance?

Where is all this money the UK is spending coming from... they can't afford wage increases for nurses but they can send weapons to a european hot spot?

A trap dear leader and cadre willfully fell into, instead of acting decisively when they had the chance. No president in the West would survive something like this (despite obviously being a collective failure). But Russia is not a western country. Hunter and prey... he got those right. The weak must suffer what they must...

This is Putin extracting Russia from the Western path for good... it will be painful, but it will be worth it.

The Russians mod will all have a good laugh. I know that.

Yeah boys... if you join those points they have Russia completely cut off from the west... time to surrender....

So that when push comes to shove and Russia is forced to act, the Poles and Brits will be first ones fleeing back home and they will more or less destroy their own images even further than it is. No one will trust them in the future.

Well at least we know what they will be doing with the money they saved by leaving Afghanistan...

Boris heard there was a party and they couldn't stop him...

Igor Strelkov posted this (in Russian) a couple of days ago on his TG channel. What's his current status in Russia and Russian politics?

Quite clearly he doesn't agree with the Kremlin or their policies but what do ordinary Russians think about him?

WAR HAS BEEN INEVITABLE SINCE 2014

When they ask me: "will the war begin or not?" - I shrug my shoulders and repeat for the thousandth time:

The WAR of the Russian Federation with the so-called "Ukraine" has been INEVITABLE since 2014. When it will begin - now or later - God knows. The Ukrainians continue to prepare for an attack on the LDPR, ours are heart-rendingly bluffing, trying in every possible way "not to make irreversible steps" so that the "partners" have the opportunity to "slow down" (there is no question of retreat). At the same time, the [Kremlin] dwarves cannot not react at all - they understand that the surrender of the LDPR will be the "beginning of the end". But they also understand that the war also does not bode well for them personally... quite the opposite. Therefore, they grab at any straw and pull, pull, pull time in the hope of a chance... What if again some tsunami will overwhelm some "Fukushima" and solve all the problems in one fell swoop?

Of course, it is impossible to exclude such a development of events. For God and Nature are beyond man's control from the word at all... But if nothing out of the ordinary happens, then every month of delay with the start of hostilities makes the chances of the Russian Federation winning the inevitable future war more and more illusory.

Exactly a year ago, the military crisis was already on the threshold. It was "repelled" by the gathering of all combat-ready troops from all over the country to the Ukrainian border. And then it helped. Now it already helps badly (we will find out whether it will help or not during February, then there will be a break for the spring thaw, although it does not guarantee anything completely). If it "settles down" now and the Kremlin gnomes are relieved to cancel all the feverish preparations, then the crisis will repeat in a few months and "dear, dear partners" will carefully prepare to "fend off" any Kremlin counter-measures during this time. The USA and NATO have a lot of resources. And all the resources of the Russian Federation have already been used almost without a trace and it will probably not be possible to "push" next time.

In any case, having given the initiative to the "partners" for free and finally (for the sake of unclouded hedonism) in 2015, the [Kremlin] gnomes cannot return it... and they don't particularly want to. They would probably have surrendered with pleasure, but they understand that there will be no "honorable surrender", but there will be an exemplary reprisal.

Everything now depends on whether Washington has made a decision to fight (Ukraine) "right now" or they can wait and prepare (including preparing Ukraine) better. We'll find out soon.

Russia was right not to fight any war over Ukraine. The current "ultimatum" to NATzO has nothing to do with 2014. Ukria was
lost before 1990. A poll discussed by Mercouris shows that the demographic that came into adulthood on the late 80s and 90s
is frothing at the mouth against Russia. But people under the age of 30 are not so keen on dying in the name of Stepan Bandera.

You can't hide from a bubble burst of reality. Folks around the periphery of power are finally starting to speak up on the failures of dear leader and cadre. They should've talked much sooner - but they couldn't see it either. And those that did had no power to do a thing.

That type of discord should be more prevalent in the Kremlin. Unfortunately, it comes from nobodies with no power to change a thing.

Dear leader is trapped. That was known the second he balked in 2014.

I wouldn't call the "bright Kremlin men who eat any western leader for breakfast" gnomes....to swing from one hyperbolic extreme to another..... but definitely, for that specific event, fearful weak leadership was displayed - of such magnitude that serves as ground for removal and replacement in many capitals.

What would be better? Acting decisively in 2014 or postponing to 2022 for a full break up with the West with no assurance of political victory inside Ukraine - losing almost all cards to the empire and its lackies after they had time to settle in? Would a full break up with the West had happened in 2014 due to decisive action? Amidst the chaos, over Ukraine, absolutely not. Turn the page to 2022, the West is certainly ready now, and the Americans have had time to groom the break up... as ready as they'll ever be. The more the years pass, the better prepared they're to push the button. Total leadership failure ....appeasement resulting in potentially worst outcomes.

Sometimes quick, harsh pain is better than long-term, lingering pain. Failure to act, paralysis, hesitation is costly.

No matter how much propaganda and spin from Kremlin organs, official and unofficial.... false irrational logic gets thrown at this debacle, the facts remain. Dear leader legacy on the line while outside his political prime. As old fool Biden said... "there's no good options" for Russia. The enemy knows it well. Ukraine ain't going away. No matter how much folks in Kremlin top brass wish it - including those who advised so wrongly and dug a bigger hole in 2014. You can continue to kick the can down the road, continue doing half-measures hoping it will go away. It won't, as time has shown.

No such thing as "lessons learned" either. There are no do overs in this business. You either get it right away or you don't. Failure to recognize those that "don't get it" makes matters even worse.

GarryB wrote:

When Biden slips and falls walking up stairs you would congratulate him on his grace and balance and how it is all a clever ruse to fool gravity into thinking this guy is an old man.

How can you insult the "old fool" while at the same time "congratulate" him. Conflict it seems. You're grasping for straw men and desperate, a clear pattern now but then again it's kinda a hard job to be creative with babble when the sole purpose is to damage control and keep the sheep of this forum herded on a narrative that's logically and creatively bankrupt. So I sympathize with the weight of the job, god knows you've earned that sympathy 32,0000 posts after.

Plenty of damage control to be written as the bubble bursts . God knows they'll need your output on this low exposure forum when shit hits the fan. All man on deck.

Echo Mosvky and other 5th column media in Russia is claiming that Russia will attack NATzO. Yeah...

The coalition forces that invaded Iraq during the Gulf War consisted of 956,600 troops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War)
with 73% of them being American. Russia is supposed to attack NATzO with 100,000 while occupying Ukraine, right....

Their customers are foreign, not local. I don't believe anyone in Russia reads either of them besides for a good laugh or multicolored hair land whales.

miketheterrible wrote:Their customers are foreign, not local. I don't believe anyone in Russia reads either of them besides for a good laugh or multicolored hair land whales.

You are right, they serve to give the NATzO fake stream media talking points. I recall the NATzO fake stream media selectively quoting the Moscow Times,
Nezavsimaya Gazeta, etc., as if that was some valid media view from Russia. This is nothing but circle jerking. These 5th column orifices spew NATzO
propaganda, which is then used by NATzO for more propaganda.

miketheterrible wrote:Their customers are foreign, not local. I don't believe anyone in Russia reads either of them besides for a good laugh or multicolored hair land whales.

Yes these Russian Liberasstholes are just as delusional and deranged as Western SJW vermin!

Here's some Feminazi joke's:

Why did the Feminazi's boycott their university's software class curriculum?  

 - Because they were teaching BINARY code, and were rebelling against class hierarchy (100, 200, 300, etc. level classes.)  

Why did the Feminazi's boycott's their local laundromat?

 - Because they were systematically separating 'Whites' from 'Coloreds.'

Why did the Feminazi's protest against Women's Suffrage?

- Because to them 'Women's Suffrage' sounds like suffering, and violence towards women.

Back in the 1990s, The Moscow Times was run out of Holland. Perhaps showing that western intelligence agencies have a sense of humor, its holding company was named "Independent Media".