The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

bitcointrader70 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.

This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something!  

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

Dont be a fool. Of course a coalition of western nations lead by America in its might in the turn of the century would ravage any small nation. That is a given. But a david and goliath event with very clever radar techs and SAM operators using old Soviet tech were able to take down one of the fabled stealth aircraft. It was a moment when they punched back against an enemy with overwhelming might.

A fairly sizable amount of pilots that fought in that conflict now look back and think that the whole affair was wrong.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.

This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something!  

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

"They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and because of the US and allies Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

You heard here first.

I believe it. The constant nonexistent invasion has become such a meme that it reeks of destruction and social manipulation. Problem is this situation is very dangerous and made russia rightfully stand guard across the country in case the invasion would happen. It is still dangerous now, but more and more it stinks of political games. I dont think it will work though for many people. I think many are getting more furious at our corrupt and at times inept leaders. Look at the diplomacy of the UK and how they treated the Russian diplomats and the diplomatic process. And over in canada look at the shameful cowardice and capriciousness of Trudeau. Then look at my president here in America. He is literally in the mid stages of senility. I know, as my dad slowly died from it.

The world has gone crazy guys. Ten or twenty years ago I dont think I ever could have imagined something like this

dino00 wrote:Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

You heard here first.

He will be killed like Kennedy if he does that...

bitcointrader70 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.

This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something!  
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Serbian_poster_%22Sorry_we_didn%27t_know_it_was_invisible%22.jpgg]

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

The troll was triggered hahaha .

Atmosphere wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.

This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something!  

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

"They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

You are acting like this is some kind of act of god or something. Stealth just greatly reduces detection range He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

10 miles for a s-125 is like close to max range...

US fired hundreds of ARM missiles and had jamming aircrafts. That was their main task. Bonbing ground targets was much less important.

And that story about same path used over and over is funny because they were aware that serbs moved their AD systems all day long to not be destroyed so it's hard to beleive that US planes were flying the same path all day long.

Also there were hundreds of NATO jets against a handful of working systems in serbia. Touching 3 f-117 and some f-16 + drones is a big achievement. And lot of serbian systems survived the war.

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/russias-improved-kilo-class-submarine-entering-black-sea/

Rostov-na-Donu will transit Bosphorus tomorrow morning and enter the Black Sea. Following the deployment of Rostov-na-Donu, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have four improved Kilo-class submarines equipped with Kalibr land-attack missiles in the Black Sea. According to the OSINT reports, the Black Sea Fleet’s other two Project 636.3 submarines (B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar) are currently in Russia’s Tartous Naval Base in Syria.

What was dropped off by those landing ships? Those flies on the wall are very lucky

Rostv-na-Donu (Rostov-on-Don) going through the Bosphorus.

VCO and I were discussing the current mess and she told me a little conversation she and our good friend Starshi Matross had while I was in Hospital last fall.
One of the heavy units of Black Sea Flot was to go through the ditch between Black Sea and the Med, heading for Syria for the first deployment. Turks denied the ship passage. Kapitan First Rank in Command called the ship to Action Quarters, the caps were popped off the main gun tubes, two missile tube doors opened, battle flags were raised (ships are not supposed to fly the national flag when transiting the ditch nor are weapons systems to be manned) and target acquisition systems activated.
Turks were given a two word radio transmission: "Stop us."
Ship transited the entire length of the ditch with battle flags flying and crew at action quarters. Turks never tried that trick again.

Arkanghelsk wrote:What noone talks about is how Russia simultaneously engages CENTCOM, PACOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, NORTHCOM AND SOUTHCOM
At the same dang time

EUCOM and PACOM have their hands full with pacific and black sea fleets as well as 200,000 polite people

AFRICOM is feeling the heat from wagner, the Sahel has been contested and dominated by Russia

Let us recall CENTCOM is the least favorite after debacles in afghanistan and Kazakhstan

Joint chiefs of staff having bad week, now a virginia just got popped

If you are liking it, just wait for the Nakhimov & Tsirkon combo to be thrown into the mix still this year

Good false flag material if you ask me... explode a tactical nuke at some Ukrainian city close to the border and there will be no European leader with the balls to resist

Western propaganda at its finest... if Russia didn't have nukes it would be artillery shells filled with Novachok because like the Syrian government the Russians are evil and have no respect for life and just want to murder people in large numbers using weapons internationally banned... except the only country to have actually used nuclear weapons against civilians was the US in Japan and also in the Marshall Islands...

There is no need to waste any sort of nuclear weapon on the Ukraine.

EU countries were part of genocides. Don't hink they will stop all their relations with their number 1 gas provider that has huge stocks left for the sake of Ukrainians.

But what if their boss tells them to...

The only dynamic that matters is the rabiate dedication much of the 'Western partners' have to the destruction of Russia. A dynamic that has withstood the test of time and should be the main prisms through which this whole charade is viewed

Russia understands that and will be looking to the rest of the world for trade and cooperation.... if the west makes the Ukraine follow the Minsk agreement then that is all Russia needs... even if a new regime takes power in Kiev though the ballot box and drops all its bullshit regarding speaking the Russian language and apologies and those criminals guilty of war crimes brought to justice and these separatist regions return back to the fold Russia will be happy... they are not looking for more land.

They just want stable neighbours.

If Putin lets this slide and pulls his turd back in there'll be advanced NATO missile systems on Ukrainian territory within 12 months.

If that were the case and nothing written on paper could stop it if that is what they want to do, then Putin will push their buttons... improved ties with Mexico for instance... nuclear weapons for Iran... the justification for Israel to have nuclear weapons was in case its neighbours get nukes... so that means it would be OK if Iran gets nukes... right?

If the OSCE mission is "depleted" of observers there will be no one to monitor the front line in Donbas, clearing the path for provocations on a large scale that may turn into large scale war. No records, no evidence that is all that "somebody" needs for blame. Depletion started.

Oh please... the OSCE are so biased that they would carry ammo for the first Kiev troops to attack and still blame it all on a Russian invasion.

They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night

You can't shoot down something you can't see with blind luck it would be impossible.

Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

But that is the point their IADS was fully intact at the end of the conflict... one HATO official actually commented that from day one to the last day their aircraft were always in danger and so SEAD missions were all failures... at no stage were HATO aircraft safe in that airspace.

This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

You can't shoot down something you can't get a lock on and can't detect... luck had nothing to do with it... that is why is should be celebrated... it was skill and professionalism.

Stealth just greatly reduces detection range He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

Stealth aircraft are supposed to be invisible.... that is not Serb talk, that is US Speak about their own stuff, so if ancient obsolete SAMs and radars can bring down super US stealth fighters... well the world is burning...

Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

Well with Oblama getting a prize for doing nothing I guess Spongebrain Poopypants could win one too... but they would lose even more credibility... if that is possible.

They had hoped the bullying effect to win over the russians fast, but the tactic has failed and Russia doubled down even further, ergo it has turned into a long game and they are realizing they cannot fight it

Sanctions will work, they just need one more round and Russia will fold... NOT.

Biden wanted guarantees command centers would not be hit, and I dont think he liked the response

I suspect the Russians are tracking communications and the part he did not like of the response was probably that command centres above those in Kiev would be hit if anything started...

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

I'm very amazed about this kind of view. : )

Just run a theoretical experiment, say Minesota in the USA leave the union, with the miliatary weapons and air defence that happens is on they territory, and the USA decide to start an air war against they , with the help of all European country.

What could be your expectations from the IADS of Minesota ?


OR other similar situation, you talking about the event like is a 20 member bike gang talk about the solitary guy who was beaten yesterday in an empty motorway parking lot, and all that he managed is to break the arm of one gang member and survive the beating.

In both example the ratios and the difference in size the same like between USA + NATO vs Serbia.


PAthetic, isn't it ?

I am sure you would be proud for yourself if you beat a 4 years old girl to unconscious. That should be the best show of your fight skills.

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!



Edit:you are old if you remember that game. Very good.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBVGs6Hdb0


The British operation over in Ukraine ?  Chicken Kiev thief !  Identify and deal with them individually . A police operation .


LOL .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKX9OjNy_NI


LOL .

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Atmosphere wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.

This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something!  

Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

“We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

This mindset is pitiful.

"They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

You are acting like this is some kind of act of god or something. Stealth just greatly reduces detection range  He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

The main selling point for "stealth" aircraft was and is that they don´t need jamming support or fighter jets to cover them.

The kind of stuff being written about Putin, you simply won't find written about Xi.
Xi's tyranny is oh so normalized because those Western guys will suddenly find that their outlet has business exposure to China.