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Guys you know what is going on in Ukraine...with National Unity Day? 
I saw only videos with a few hundred people in Kiew...orchestrated in some way.
I saw only videos with a few hundred people in Kiew...orchestrated in some way.
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The Situation in the Ukraine. #32
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Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/russias-top-diplomat-says-talks-should-continue-because-u-s-has-offered-missile-deployment-limits-01644844184
Lavrov noted that even though the U.S. and its allies have flatly rejected those demands, Washington has offered to conduct dialogue on limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.
No lies, Biden in Geneva made these proposals
So I must ask, what am I lying about? If State department wants to negotiate missile limits, troop deployments, and has left for Lvov
What kind of rejection is that?
In talks with Russia on Monday, U.S. officials raised the possibility of limiting missile deployments in Eastern Europe and the size and scope of its military exercises, if Russia reciprocates, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman told reporters afterward.
Russian said at the very begining they don't want a long discussion neither do they want some litlle consessions from the US. They made it clear NATO expesion and ukraine into nato are the problems for which they want clear answers.
Reducing the number of drills won't change the Ukrainian entry in nato issues.
Limiting number of missiles is good but nothing can really forbid it since US are using ground VLS that can use ground attack missiles. They can just switch missiles incognito. They won't remove them.
New treaties for ABMs and missiles aren't going to happen because US wabts missiles to compete with China. They will never sign new ones with only Russia.
Russians will never have confidence in USA. That's why they developed hypersonic missiles, gliders, Poseidon, Kinzhal... and are working on new stuff.
Diplomacy isn't working. To keep nato far away they need Ukraine as a buffer zone where they will put early warning radars. The military solution is the only left.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/russias-top-diplomat-says-talks-should-continue-because-u-s-has-offered-missile-deployment-limits-01644844184
Lavrov noted that even though the U.S. and its allies have flatly rejected those demands, Washington has offered to conduct dialogue on limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.
No lies, Biden in Geneva made these proposals
So I must ask, what am I lying about? If State department wants to negotiate missile limits, troop deployments, and has left for Lvov
What kind of rejection is that?
In talks with Russia on Monday, U.S. officials raised the possibility of limiting missile deployments in Eastern Europe and the size and scope of its military exercises, if Russia reciprocates, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman told reporters afterward.
These proposals have nothing to do with those treaties, sanctions, or pulling states out of NATO....
Putin also refused all of these, we offered them weeks ago and he didn't accept them.
So yes you are lying or you clearly do not understand what was being said. We proposed limiting missile, and troop deployments in NATO countries on russia's border. Not withdrawing say the baltic states from NATO.
No missile treaties are being worked on, nor is open skies.
Dude you read old ass information and took it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of context
So in other words... it is a pullout and withdrawal of missile systems
And yes they are being discussed, lavrov just spoke to Putin and made clear the west has responded positively to proposals they always were unwilling to discuss
The most recent meeting of Putin and Lavrov demonstrated this
And no there are no sanctions, lil Marco is busy passing the HUNTER act to prevent crack pipes from being distributed then passing sanctions at the moment
Here is a transcript of the meeting between Lavrov and Putin, read and weep :
This is about the first part of the response, basically the Americans, which does not suit us.
The second part is more constructive to a certain extent. It envisages rather specific measures to address the problems of land-based short and intermediate-range missiles after the Americans discarded the corresponding treaty. It also contains specific proposals on a range of measures to reduce military risks, confidence-building measures and military transparency.
Interestingly, almost all of the components the Americans included in their response reflect initiatives that the Russian Federation has been promoting over the past few years.
With regard to short and intermediate-range missiles, we have been waiting for a response to your address since September 2020, where you proposed agreeing on reciprocal and mutually verifiable moratoriums on the deployment of these types of weapons in Europe. Nobody ever responded.
The proposals from our General Staff, sent to NATO in 2020, included measures to move military exercises away from the line of contact between Russia and NATO and to agree on a minimum distance for the rapprochement of military aircraft and warships, as well as a number of other military-technical confidence-building measures. Those two have been left without attention.
As of today, however, we have seen some very specific responses to the initiatives we advanced earlier. The other side is demonstrating a willingness to enter into serious negotiations. It is clear that our initiative on European security, on security guarantees we put forward and are strongly promoting, clearly stating our fundamental interests in this, has given our Western colleagues a shake. This is why they are no longer able to just ignore many of our previous calls.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67766
There is the link from February 15, it is neither old information nor a lie, it seems our American partners are unable to reconcile the embarassing farce they have demonstrated these last months
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Dude.....your reading comprehension is awful and you are taking quotes out of context, no wonder why you believe the stuff you do.
The items I stated were already refused, you can go back a few weeks and find Putin saying "No"
This conversation is just Lavrov telling Putin in a long manner "We are trying to talk but they don't want to listen". Plus this meeting is just for show, if it was a real meeting there would be others present.
"We at the Foreign Ministry are convinced that this approach must remain a priority. In developing a dialogue on some aspects that are of practical importance today, with our Western, primarily American colleagues, we will be seeking in parallel their responses to the legitimate concerns that we have raised and that you have repeatedly confirmed, including at the news conference with Emmanuel Macron. I believe you have very clearly described the potential for drawing Ukraine into NATO under these conditions, considering Kiev’s ambitions."
Not to mention there is a contradiction here, they want dialogue with us but we have made it clear Russia ain't telling us whose joining NATO and we aren't pulling back. We offered them some troop and missile limitations and that was all Russia will get, they refused. France might be willing to accept a Neutral Ukraine but the others aren't.
Now if you want to make these full of shit statements, find me an official source from the US we are ejecting the baltics from NATO, and we are pulling back all forces, we are restarting INF, Open Skies.
You won't find that because it doesn't exist.
The items I stated were already refused, you can go back a few weeks and find Putin saying "No"
This conversation is just Lavrov telling Putin in a long manner "We are trying to talk but they don't want to listen". Plus this meeting is just for show, if it was a real meeting there would be others present.
"We at the Foreign Ministry are convinced that this approach must remain a priority. In developing a dialogue on some aspects that are of practical importance today, with our Western, primarily American colleagues, we will be seeking in parallel their responses to the legitimate concerns that we have raised and that you have repeatedly confirmed, including at the news conference with Emmanuel Macron. I believe you have very clearly described the potential for drawing Ukraine into NATO under these conditions, considering Kiev’s ambitions."
Not to mention there is a contradiction here, they want dialogue with us but we have made it clear Russia ain't telling us whose joining NATO and we aren't pulling back. We offered them some troop and missile limitations and that was all Russia will get, they refused. France might be willing to accept a Neutral Ukraine but the others aren't.
Now if you want to make these full of shit statements, find me an official source from the US we are ejecting the baltics from NATO, and we are pulling back all forces, we are restarting INF, Open Skies.
You won't find that because it doesn't exist.
ALAMO- Posts : 7479
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
You won't find that because it doesn't exist.
Wow!
Just like the mystery nonexistent missiles of yours?
Gee, that really should stand anyone corrected!
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Putin should recognise Donbass.
Should have done this LONG time ago.
Should have done this LONG time ago.
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06:00 Getting up.
07:00 Morning toilet
08:00 Breakfast
09:00 Assault on Ukraine
12:00 Lunch
13:00 Taking of Kiev
18:00 Gazmanov's Concert
21:00 Fireworks.
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Concerning the "Invasion of 404!!!1!!!1!"
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Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dude.....your reading comprehension is awful and you are taking quotes out of context, no wonder why you believe the stuff you do.
The items I stated were already refused, you can go back a few weeks and find Putin saying "No"
This conversation is just Lavrov telling Putin in a long manner "We are trying to talk but they don't want to listen". Plus this meeting is just for show, if it was a real meeting there would be others present.
"We at the Foreign Ministry are convinced that this approach must remain a priority. In developing a dialogue on some aspects that are of practical importance today, with our Western, primarily American colleagues, we will be seeking in parallel their responses to the legitimate concerns that we have raised and that you have repeatedly confirmed, including at the news conference with Emmanuel Macron. I believe you have very clearly described the potential for drawing Ukraine into NATO under these conditions, considering Kiev’s ambitions."
Not to mention there is a contradiction here, they want dialogue with us but we have made it clear Russia ain't telling us whose joining NATO and we aren't pulling back. We offered them some troop and missile limitations and that was all Russia will get, they refused. France might be willing to accept a Neutral Ukraine but the others aren't.
Now if you want to make these full of shit statements, find me an official source from the US we are ejecting the baltics from NATO, and we are pulling back all forces, we are restarting INF, Open Skies.
You won't find that because it doesn't exist.
The reading comprehension is quite clear, it's obvious you don't know how to use a link, and the sight of long paragraphs causes panic for you, but we know American education ranks fairly low on the global scale so il make it simple:
Lavrov stated there were 2 approaches to the ultimatum being discussed with the west.
With the first approach there was a negative response.
To the second approach, there was a positive one, with a moratorium on missiles, Troops levels, and NATO expansion all being discussed.
And no you are completely wrong due to lack of understanding of english language,
There was no refusal, Lavrov intends to negotiate these items and received permission from Putin to go ahead and negotiate the terms
Meaning yes a new INF treaty is being readied, as well as all the other relevant treaties to increase security for Russia
Also, you have already pulled back, your officials have all left Kiev in a hurry, so it seems your revolving door has shut closed.
As for official sources I have already explained to you ad infinitum the main points which would constitute a new missile treaty, your side is proposing these as an alternative to the "non ultimatum" although they are one and the same
Also I believe Joe Biden said you "ain't" pulling out of kabul, and the taliban "ain't" taking Bagram in 2 weeks. Then again it is your side that is full of shit so fast forward and the Taliban now rule Kabul.
I am quite sure your leaders will f*ck over the baltics like the just f*cked over Ukraine and Afghanistan
Run along now
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ALAMO wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
You won't find that because it doesn't exist.
Wow!
Just like the mystery nonexistent missiles of yours?
Gee, that really should stand anyone corrected!
What missile are you talking about?
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@Arch
Lol your full of shit, We will not sign an INF treaty unless China also signs on. You are taking the remarks out of context. This alone shows how delusional you are thinking.
You are also insane if you think we are kicking the Baltics out of NATO and pulling back.
We were never going to war over Ukraine, you might have had some Warhawks in Washington demand it but that was never happening.
Enjoy lalala land.
Lol your full of shit, We will not sign an INF treaty unless China also signs on. You are taking the remarks out of context. This alone shows how delusional you are thinking.
You are also insane if you think we are kicking the Baltics out of NATO and pulling back.
We were never going to war over Ukraine, you might have had some Warhawks in Washington demand it but that was never happening.
Enjoy lalala land.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
What missile are you talking about?
The supa dupa ones.
Only supa dupa, and nonexisting
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ALAMO wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
What missile are you talking about?
The supa dupa ones.
Only supa dupa, and nonexisting
Um? what are you talking?.
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The very same ones you insisted to put in Europe, my poser troll 
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ALAMO wrote:The very same ones you insisted to put in Europe, my poser troll
Are you off your meds or something? what you are saying makes no sense. I never named a type of missile, I just said missile.
If your going to insult me at least be smart enough to understand what I said first.
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"On the ground in Ukraine on 'invasion day' & Trudeau's Martial law (w/ Gonzalo Lira)"
"Invasion Hoax Disintegrates as Scholz Meets Putin, Russia Winds Up Belarus/Crimea Drills"
"Invasion Hoax Disintegrates as Scholz Meets Putin, Russia Winds Up Belarus/Crimea Drills"
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Arch
Lol your full of shit, We will not sign an INF treaty unless China also signs on. You are taking the remarks out of context. This alone shows how delusional you are thinking.
Your choice. Russia will simply introduce more missiles, and various types of them, to counter what the US has
You are also insane if you think we are kicking the Baltics out of NATO and pulling back.
No-one said anything about kicking anyone out of NATO
When Russia talks about the 1997 force disposition it's mainly talking about the ABM facilities in Romania and Poland
Russia wants them gone
In return Russia will I'm sure be happy to sign that treaty on hypersonic cruise missile development that Washington wants, at least for what concerns submarines and vessels. Then it will cancel its Zirkon program and destroy its stocks
It will also withdraw its MiG-31Ks from the Crimea, and the Iskanders from Kaliningrad as their primary targets won't exist anymore
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Russia will simply introduce more missiles, and various types of them, to counter what the US has wrote:
The US is unable to compete with Russia in missile weapons
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In return Russia will I'm sure be happy to sign that treaty on hypersonic cruise missile development that Washington wants, at least for what concerns submarines and vessels. Then it will cancel its Zirkon program and destroy its stocks wrote:
There will be no second Gorbachev...
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medo wrote:Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.
As I understand it United Russia has also put forward a similar Bill which has been sent to Ministries for comment (kicked into the long grass). This Bill overrides the earlier one. Either way Putin may or may not sign.
It is not in Russia's strategic interests to recognise them yet as, if the Minsk deal is implemented, Russia needs them to be in Ukraine as a political balancing force to help stop any NATO application. If Minsk goes down the tubes then maybe then, we will see.
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medo wrote:Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.
Wait, there is more:
In addition, Russia will declare the parts on Donetsk and Lugansk regions under Kiev's control to be illegally occupied by the Kiev regime.
It will insist on withdrawal of Kiev's forces from these areas.
Ukraine's NATO aspiration will become impossible.
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JohninMK wrote:medo wrote:Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.
As I understand it United Russia has also put forward a similar Bill which has been sent to Ministries for comment (kicked into the long grass). This Bill overrides the earlier one. Either way Putin may or may not sign.
It is not in Russia's strategic interests to recognise them yet as, if the Minsk deal is implemented, Russia needs them to be in Ukraine as a political balancing force to help stop any NATO application. If Minsk goes down the tubes then maybe then, we will see.
Putin already declined the motion, during the press-conference with Scholz.
But he certainly used it during that press-conference to present himself as the gatekeeper of reason among the Russian masses, who cry with all their heart to recognize the Donbass republics. Well Putin did mention something like that
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