The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

SeigSoloyvov wrote:All the proper signs are coming now, The question is now will Russia only go up to the river or will they take all of Ukraine.

I understand that US army and navy can never get best and brightest to join, but you're blatant example that standards are really low.

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1404013/amp

No NATO membership for Ukraine

Welp wheres all the foggy bottom clowns that were pining for this? Wheres the hyper power hegemon ? Is it asleep in the basement? Invasion today or tomorrow?

The chihuahuas have broken ranks indeed

Dude. And you call me a dumb pindos. You latch on to these public statements that western leaders make as if it’s the gospel. They lie and change their words hundreds of times over. Ukraine will join NATO. Zero question about it unless Russia acts decisively. It’s over. Russia lost Ukraine. It’s youth is brainwashed. It’s oligarchy wants to be part of rockafeller/world economic club. It’s a done deal.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1404013/amp

No NATO membership for Ukraine

Welp wheres all the foggy bottom clowns that were pining for this? Wheres the hyper power hegemon ? Is it asleep in the basement? Invasion today or tomorrow?

The chihuahuas have broken ranks indeed

Dude. And you call me a dumb pindos. You latch on to these public statements that western leaders make as if it’s the gospel. They lie and change their words hundreds of times over. Ukraine will join NATO. Zero question about it unless Russia acts decisively. It’s over. Russia lost Ukraine. It’s youth is brainwashed. It’s oligarchy wants to be part of rockafeller/world economic club. It’s a done deal.

Ukraine will not join NATO, NATO will not fight Russia.

As for "Russia lost Ukraine", Russia never wanted Ukraine in the first place, Russia just wanted Crimea and it got it, Ukraine is a shit hole and it will take billions of Russian dollars to keep it afloat and Russia has no plans to do that.

"It’s youth is brainwashed. It’s oligarchy wants to be part of rockafeller/world economic club", why would Russia or Russians care?

The west has played their hand, lets see what Russia does. I don't think Russia will send its forces into Russia.

Is this artillery ? Damned accurate if you ask me . Ok , the kindergarten wall could be accidental , since a few missed shots around building . But the gas pump was dead on ?!  If artillery hit it , then must be with laser / GPS guided rounds , needing a drone or soldier on the ground . Inside LDPR territory , possible for anyone to do it . But inside Rostov village on a single small hut ? Without massive bombardment and many misses , then it is either a miracle , or someone got close and lased the target or used GPS round . What type of shell was this on the ground ?If Ukrainian , then why not hit more important target ? were more important target available and within range  of uki artillery ? If not Ukrainian , then who ? Third party or the usual suspects ?



https://www.military-today.com/artillery/krasnopol.htm


Does uki have GPS guided arty ?

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1404013/amp

No NATO membership for Ukraine

Welp wheres all the foggy bottom clowns that were pining for this? Wheres the hyper power hegemon ? Is it asleep in the basement? Invasion today or tomorrow?

The chihuahuas have broken ranks indeed

Dude. And you call me a dumb pindos. You latch on to these public statements that western leaders make as if it’s the gospel. They lie and change their words hundreds of times over. Ukraine will join NATO. Zero question about it unless Russia acts decisively. It’s over. Russia lost Ukraine. It’s youth is brainwashed. It’s oligarchy wants to be part of rockafeller/world economic club. It’s a done deal.

Germany won't vote on NATO membership, right there the NATO pipedream has flown out the window

No amount of whining and crying will change that 

Trump couldn't force merkel and Biden cannot force scholz

Nord stream 2 looks good, and no NATO for Ukraine

Germany blocked weapons from baltics and sent helmets for 404

Wanacry?

Even if Nord Stream 2 does not look good, Russia most likely does not give a ****. Nord Stream 2 was a German thing not Russian.

the idiots in the US think that if they cut off Nord Stream 2 and somehow **** Germany it is a win for them, what they don't understand is that it makes the "Collective West" weak.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1404013/amp

No NATO membership for Ukraine

Welp wheres all the foggy bottom clowns that were pining for this? Wheres the hyper power hegemon ? Is it asleep in the basement? Invasion today or tomorrow?

The chihuahuas have broken ranks indeed

The western alliance is 100000000% unified with an RCS of .000000000000001m2

All Germany said is that the Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda

That's the same thing they've always been saying

Russia needs a written guarantee that it won't happen. Or else a government in the Ukraine that doesn't declare it and pursue it.

This guy must be a paid troll. He is delusional. Words don’t mean anything. They mean nothing at all. The German guy says nato is not on the agenda mean while Ukraine president wants a clear timeline of joining NATO.

This forum like to do 20d chess mental gymnastics. For years several guys on here have been saying that that Russia doesn’t have to do anything and the Kiev regime will fall apart on its own. And yet here we are.

Arkanghelsk and Garry B are the kings of mental masturbation and spinning. These guys would make a color revolution/civil war in Russia seem like a good thing.

PapaDragon wrote:

NAF and UAF are in conflict which never stopped, don't try to make yourself look intelligent retroactively because nobody is falling for it

Plus in 2014 any attempt to "respond to coup" would have resulted​ in color revolution in Russia because back then Russians were still drinking democratic koolaid by the gallon

The events and facts on the ground do that everyday more or less... I certainly don't need it. If you haven't noticed. The minute details don't matter. It's about the big picture, always has been.

The nail biting clowns who are emotionally vested into a certain course of events, down to the minute details, as you and others here do, who regurgitate propaganda read elsewhere from the Saker, the Duran, Pepe, and all the other clowns do have a stake. So when all the "analysis" garbage that you all gobble up daily doesn't align with reality, you all get mad, lash out, and try to cling to any alternate reality that could make it all go away. Since you all are incapable of thinking on your own, or without a "guiding hand", F5 is your best friend on your favorite analysis website for the latest "update". You ingest that garbage, and type in your "thoughts" here as if they were your own.

As for the response to the coup attempt that should have happened but never came... you just made shit up on the fly, at least creatively unlike other clowns. Still, garbage, the only thing your mind is capable of spewing. There wasn't a real color revolution threat to the Kremlin if Russia intervened with a strong hand in the Ukraine in 2014(that's supporting the elites favorable to Russia, up to and including security). All the real problematic elites that could make a color revolution successful in Russia, by aggregate numbers were booted out by Putin and Russia's security apparatus long before 2014. The U.S can amass protests now, in 2022, just as they could in 2014, did in 2011 (whichever year they fancy), and will, in Moscow, should the Kremlin do anything at all in the Donbass or greater Ukraine. The fifth column hasn't been eradicated. It will be there, with different faces, different "leaders", and surprise traitors that will burned and sacrificed (and they will be replenished, in time.). That is a far cry from full fledged color revolution, much less a successful one. To try to somehow say protests scared Moscow into backing down and licking its wounds is one of the biggest pile of damage control garbage I've seen yet. That responsibility lies solely with Putin and cadre. No amount of bullshit can deflect that.

Keep crying and clutching those pearls. You clearly never get tired of it.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Neither do written guarantees mean anything,

It's all about narrative

The war is 85% informational, 10% economic, and 5% kinetic bumpkin

The west wont give a written guarantee but what does the narrative look like?

For the first time in history, a country has made demands to the west, and pushed the west back to Lvov without firing a bullet but by intimidation

Al capone said, you can get farther with a kind word and a gun then a kind word alone.

So here we are, the western hysteria is because Russia has the audacity to not only issue ultimatums but to enforce them militarily

Western spin artists can try to shape the narrative all they want, but afghanistan, kazakhstan, Belarus, and now Ukraine are like punches through their bs stories


Only a matter of time now until that .0000000001 m2 rcs narrative gets fact checked too, although there was that f35 bird strike...

Anyway 

https://www.rt.com/russia/549984-artillery-shells-rostov-region/

Ukraine has hit Russia now, lol, zelensky has flown to Munich, I wonder if hel eat his tie now or later

What the hell are you rambling about? Tons of countries have made demands from the west. Saddam, Castro, and Gadaffi. Do those names come to mind? What happened to all of them?

They moved their offices to Lvov. That’s office workers. Not military staff. They are sending tons of weapons. Tons of money. Providing intelligence to the Ukrainian forces. You are out of your mind with your delusions. Nato is not backing down one bit.

And Russia doesn’t have the balls to pull the trigger and hit NATO hard military. Astronomically low chance of that happening. You can see that nato is hardly moving very many forces into Eastern Europe.

Features of the Donbass crisis

Rostislav Ishchenko

In the DPR/LPR declared mobilization and evacuation. It is planned to evacuate women, children and the elderly, but the situation with mobilization is different

By decreePushilin as part of the mobilization, a "call for citizens who are in reserve" should be carried out, Pasechnik announced a total mobilization of " male citizens who are on the military register or not, but are required to be on the military register and citizens who are in reserve. Between the ages of 18 and 55." Also, male citizens between the ages of 18 and 55 are prohibited from leaving the LPR.

A comparison of the wording of the two decrees indicates a higher level of professionalism of the DPR authorities. The measures taken in the LPR are almost identical to the Ukrainian ones of 2014, when, under the influence of panic, the Kiev authorities were going to mobilize all men under the age of 60, until they found out that such an action would not strengthen the army, the economy would collapse, and the panic would increase.

Pushilin calls for reservists who have served in the DPR Armed Forces, have relevant experience and are assigned to a specific unit. Quartermasters should know how much additional weapons, ammunition, uniforms and food is needed for the increased contingent and have the appropriate supplies available, and commanders who receive additional troops should know exactly how to use them. In other words, the planned deployment of parts and connections is underway.

The points of the Luhansk decree on mobilization suggest that as much as we catch, we will send so much to the army, and then let the commanders and quartermasters get out of it as they want. In the spring of 2014 (before the beginning of active military operations in the Donbas) Ukrainian TV showed dozens of cases when those mobilized to the Armed Forces of Ukraine lived in the forest in tents in civilian clothes and on foot fodder, without any support, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine were not able to immediately digest the number of people that the military enlistment offices sent them and simply did not know what to do with them until it was necessary to

In general, it seems that the mobilization measures in Donetsk were really worked out in advance, and in Lugansk they were carried out formally. It is clear that the military enlistment office, calling on citizens, must supply specific units with a contingent of specific specialists of a pre-known number within a certain time frame. How this problem can be solved by invoking "composed and non-composed" is not clear.

This is reminiscent of the" people's militia divisions " of the 1941 model, which were formed, armed and dressed according to the residual principle (which they found). But then it was a measure forced by the destruction of a large number of Red Army personnel units already in the border battle, as well as in subsequent major disasters near Uman, Kiev, Bryansk and Vyazma. In the Donbass, a military catastrophe did not happen and cannot happen, since the corps of the republics are propped up from the rear of the Russian Armed Forces. Perhaps the Luhansk shortcomings are precisely related to the confidence that Russia will not let the abyss disappear anyway, so they did not work out the mobilization measures in advance, and when it was hot, they worked from scratch.

However, this is a significant problem (in the defense system of Donbass, the Luhansk direction has always been a weak link), but not the most important one. The main thing is that after eight years of shelling and provocations, the Donbass suddenly reacted so harshly. Evacuation and mobilization are an unequivocal signal of readiness for a full-scale war.

It is clear that the republics could not have taken such actions without coordination with Russia. At least because the evacuation is taking place on Russian territory. Moreover, in the Rostov region, 700 thousand evacuees were ready to receive from the wheels.

Even if we assume that half of the available population of the DPR/LPR will be taken out (currently estimated at 3-3. 5 million people), the number of evacuees will not exceed 1.5-1.7 million. That is, with the most massive evacuation of places prepared in advance only in the Rostov region-about half of those leaving. At the same time, it should be borne in mind that over the past years, many citizens of the DPR have acquired relatives, acquaintances, rented or even their own housing in Russia. In other words, refugee reception centers will not be needed by all those who leave.

We can state that the evacuation plan was clearly worked out in advance and began to be implemented directly at the moment when Ukraine sharply increased the shelling of the republics and sabotage activities on their territories. It was meant to be. The Kremlin could not help but understand that if the United States failed to deceive the "Russian invasion" with a hysterical campaign in the press and diplomatic demarches, then the old proven method of provocation in the Donbass would definitely be used.

Terrorist attacks provide an almost unlimited opportunity to escalate tensions. Shot 10 times, if Russia did not react-shot 100 times, and then 1000. And so on until it becomes impossible not to react. At the same time, any response from the DPR/LPR can be called "Russian aggression" and begin to iron the residential buildings of the republics with artillery without restrictions, encouraging Russia and the republics not only to suppress the firing batteries, but to occupy their places of deployment in order to exclude the repetition of attacks. This, in turn, will require an attack on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and will give the United States the necessary picture for accusations.

As practice and experience show, residents of the DPR/LPR are also under constant terrorist threat. The Ukrainian DRGs constantly seek to organize terrorist acts, both against the leaders of the republics and against random civilians, but the most dangerous thing is their regular attempts to organize sabotage in hazardous industries that can cause man-made and environmental disasters on a national scale. This danger is an even greater incentive to evacuate civilians than terrorist artillery attacks.

Considering the general political aspect of the current aggravation of the Donbass crisis, it should be noted that if we lived in the XIX or in the first half of the XX century, the announcement of mobilization would mean an inevitable war. The fact is that at that time armies increased many times during mobilization, the advance of troops to the border was carried out gradually, groups were formed for weeks, or even months. The state sought to declare war at the most convenient moment of the mobilization process — when the concentration of its troops in the border areas significantly exceeds the concentration of enemy troops.

Even in the era of the German blitzkriegs, mobilization always preceded war. Czechoslovakia mobilized as early as 1938 (during the first stage of the Sudetenland crisis). By September 1939, the Polish troops had almost completed their mobilization (at least they put those who had enough weapons under the gun). By the May 1940 German offensive, France, Holland, and Belgium had already deployed troops to the borders for several months, and the British Expeditionary Force had been deployed to France for 9 months.

Even the Soviet Union conducted a covert mobilization, more than doubled the size of the Red Army from 1939 to June 1941, bringing it to 5.5 million people. The success of the blitzkrieg was achieved not so much by tactical surprise (which lasted for days, or even hours), as by the power and mobility of the shock fists, the well-developed interaction of tank groups and front-line aviation, as well as the highly efficient work of headquarters. The USSR was able to achieve the same level of effective command and interaction by mid-1943. The Allies never could.

But since the second half of the twentieth century, due to the rapid increase in the effectiveness of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, the headquarters of superpowers have been forced to plan a war virtually without mobilization (in cash). What would survive after the exchange of massive nuclear strikes (12-15 thousand warheads on each side) was unclear, but it was assumed that very little and the management of this small can be extremely difficult. So the war was supposed to start and end in a few minutes, or at least (with a gradual increase in the power of strikes) in a couple of days.

Under these conditions, demonstrative mobilization became a means of psychological pressure on the enemy. Not the first military argument, but the last diplomatic one, forcing him to make concessions. In fact, the mobilization is a demonstration of readiness for a military solution, in order to rid the opponent of the illusion that a further increase in rates can give him an advantage in negotiations. The stakes are immediately raised in such a way that the opponent understands that the next step is war, and it is he who will have to start.

All of this does not change the fact that evacuation and mobilization are really the last argument. With their declaration of war, it is still possible to avoid it, but it is closer than ever. The party announcing mobilization deliberately restricts its own space for maneuver. To cancel the mobilization without achieving anything from the enemy will mean a serious loss of face. The opponent understands that now not just the ball is in their own half of the field — they have the final choice. An attempt to throw the ball back will trigger an almost automatic start of combat operations.

https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20220219/1033316179.html

Explosion reported in southern Russia

https://www.rt.com/russia/549947-shell-explodes-russian-territory-ukraine/

A shell has allegedly exploded on Russian territory, close to the border with the war-torn Donbass region of Ukraine, local media has reported.

On Saturday, Russian news agency RIA Novosti wrote that a police source in the southern Rostov region had claimed authorities were responding to the detonation in a rural community in the area. “The blast occurred at 4 am, 300 meters (984 feet) away from a house in the village of Mityakinskaya,” the official said.

A second explosion has since been reported in the same region, with a law enforcement source telling RIA Novosti that a blast was heard “not far from the first one.” According to the official, the remains of a shell from a Soviet-era BM-21 Grad rocket launcher have been identified. No injuries have been reported in either case.

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Now this could be a false flag by Russia themselves to create a pretext to invade... all fair play to me.

Or, an actual provocation by the Ukies.

Either or, as recorded events, Russian territory is already getting penetrated. Should be shameful for the Kremlin leadership, to resort to this in case of a false flag or for allowing the provocation to take place if not. These are the folks responsible for ensuring Russian security, not just on its borders but on its near abroad, as all self-respecting great powers should. But the Russian establishment is completely unaccountable and with little effective internal opposition. It's Putin's cadre or the highway... you reap what you sow I guess.

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What will clowns say now?

"If Ukraine ain't part of NATO there is nothing to worry about"..."Let them fall apart on their own, (7 years and counting lmao)"..

"All Russia has to do is stay put and not answer"...

"They wouldn't dare touch Russia or else..."

Enjoy the show.

Isos wrote:Russia made it clear the real problem is Ukrainian intention to apply for nato. They don't really need a false flag to attack them. Today Zelensky asked nato for an official schedule to apply. He gave the only reason russians needed to attack them.

So if you could all stop the bullshit false flag thing. That's quite boring. All those stories in Donbas are irevelent to Russia.

Might be onto something here.

If Russia was planning on doing something directly in Ukraine, they would be building up their forces near Ukraine.

But Russian military is sending MIG 31K with Kinzhal missiles and other military equipment to Syria and doing patrols over the Mediterranean Sea. It is just as Russia is saying, we know that there is a trap set for us in Ukraine and we are not going to step into it and we are going to **** with the US wherever we like(in this being Syria.)

The Russian intelligence must have(100%) know what is going on in Ukraine and Russia will according.

Over the next 5-6 days a lot of information is going to come out of Ukraine and Donbass. Most of this information will be false, so we will have to wait and see what is true.

Also we will have all of the trolls on this site out as well(in fact they are already out), better to just ignore them.

It would be no invasion but a liberation.