Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

ATLASCUB wrote:From the commentary here I thought Z was "crying"...

Failed to mention the details of course... crying with dollar bills.

Oil price goes up, American producers benefit just much as Russian ones to recoup their loses. It will eventually stabilize as this is speculative trading. As far as I'm aware the U.S has no plans to sanction Russian crude deliveries and take them off market like they did with Venezuela or Iran. Even if they did they wouldn't have the same level of success as with those two countries, even if it actually results in lowering Russia's marketshare. It won't be a significant amount.

US is net oil importer, it recoups nothing

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

https://tass.com/world/1408391

Maybe this time the Ukronazis will restrain themselves and not shoot down an airliner?

Russian rebels a lot of fucking retards are the one who shot it down. This has proven over and over everywhere. It’s fair play by me. It was a big mistake. I wouldn’t admit to it either. Ukraine is ultimately to blame for not diverting air traffic over a war zone

Ruble seems to be holding up ok. My friends in Russia aren’t too worried. This first wave of sanctions isn’t that bad. We will see. Maybe Russia is finally independent enough to where sanctions won’t matter.  

Proven where? The smoking gun didnt prove anything 

Just like Chemical weapons on Syrian civilians, WMDs in Iraq, and other lies made up by the fake news media,

Nothing US says is taken seriously or at face value

Broski wrote:If the Germans are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the dick as far as NS2 is concerned, that's their choice. But tell me, what happens to Germany's manufacturing base when they no longer have access to cheap energy?

China takes their lunch money

And since manufacturing sector is the basis of modern German statehood you can do the math

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

https://tass.com/world/1408391

Maybe this time the Ukronazis will restrain themselves and not shoot down an airliner?

Russian rebels a lot of fucking retards are the one who shot it down. This has proven over and over everywhere. It’s fair play by me. It was a big mistake. I wouldn’t admit to it either. Ukraine is ultimately to blame for not diverting air traffic over a war zone

Ruble seems to be holding up ok. My friends in Russia aren’t too worried. This first wave of sanctions isn’t that bad. We will see. Maybe Russia is finally independent enough to where sanctions won’t matter.  

Proven where? The smoking gun didnt prove anything 

Just like Chemical weapons on Syrian civilians, WMDs in Iraq, and other lies made up by the fake news media,

Nothing US says is taken seriously or at face value

There is a video of the morons bragging about it. Than the rebels at the crash site freaking out wondering who let a civilian plane into a war zone they thought it was a Ukraine transport jet. Mistakes are made in war. Just like when Iran messed up and shot that plane down. Russian news even reported they short a Ukraine transport plane down than denied reporting the story when it was civilian. A bunch of pisdabols used a buk’s fire control radar for target acquisition and that’s the result. Not sure why people on this forum keep denying and lying about it. Mistakes happen

and putin just stated Minsk agreement no longer exist.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

https://tass.com/world/1408391

Maybe this time the Ukronazis will restrain themselves and not shoot down an airliner?

Russian rebels a lot of fucking retards are the one who shot it down. This has proven over and over everywhere. It’s fair play by me. It was a big mistake. I wouldn’t admit to it either. Ukraine is ultimately to blame for not diverting air traffic over a war zone

Ruble seems to be holding up ok. My friends in Russia aren’t too worried. This first wave of sanctions isn’t that bad. We will see. Maybe Russia is finally independent enough to where sanctions won’t matter.  

Proven where? The smoking gun didnt prove anything 

Just like Chemical weapons on Syrian civilians, WMDs in Iraq, and other lies made up by the fake news media,

Nothing US says is taken seriously or at face value

There is a video of the morons bragging about it. Than the rebels at the crash site freaking out wondering who let a civilian plane into a war zone they thought it was a Ukraine transport jet. Mistakes are made in war. Just like when Iran messed up and shot that plane down. Russian news even reported they short a Ukraine transport plane down than denied reporting the story when it was civilian. A bunch of pisdabols used a buk’s fire control radar for target acquisition and that’s the result. Not sure why people on this forum keep denying and lying about it. Mistakes happen

What video? Who made the video? Who posted the video? Where was it posted? Why was it posted? Where was the video recorded? How was the footage obtained? 

There are many questions to absorb and digest prior to assuming anything as fact or truth

Putin presser with many answers to the questions placed here:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

https://tass.com/world/1408391

Maybe this time the Ukronazis will restrain themselves and not shoot down an airliner?

Russian rebels a lot of fucking retards are the one who shot it down. This has proven over and over everywhere. It’s fair play by me. It was a big mistake. I wouldn’t admit to it either. Ukraine is ultimately to blame for not diverting air traffic over a war zone

Ruble seems to be holding up ok. My friends in Russia aren’t too worried. This first wave of sanctions isn’t that bad. We will see. Maybe Russia is finally independent enough to where sanctions won’t matter.  

Proven where? The smoking gun didnt prove anything 

Just like Chemical weapons on Syrian civilians, WMDs in Iraq, and other lies made up by the fake news media,

Nothing US says is taken seriously or at face value

There is a video of the morons bragging about it. Than the rebels at the crash site freaking out wondering who let a civilian plane into a war zone they thought it was a Ukraine transport jet. Mistakes are made in war. Just like when Iran messed up and shot that plane down. Russian news even reported they short a Ukraine transport plane down than denied reporting the story when it was civilian. A bunch of pisdabols used a buk’s fire control radar for target acquisition and that’s the result. Not sure why people on this forum keep denying and lying about it. Mistakes happen

What video? Who made the video? Who posted the video? Where was it posted? Why was it posted? Where was the video recorded? How was the footage obtained? 

There are many questions to absorb and digest prior to assuming anything as fact or truth

Sorry dude there is no way to spin this. They fucked up and shot it down. Retards like Igor strelkov running around and making errors.

There is plenty of open source information that points to rebels just fucking up. That’s that. Just like Iran shot that plane down.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-video-shows-rebels-surprised-mh17-wreckage-civilian/27133474.html

Looks Russia will take Kharkiv and Mariupol next. But I don’t understand the slow play. They should have just blitz a quick invasion. Now they are letting ukrops dig in and yankee to send more weapons and try to destabilize with economic warfare. There is no benefit to move slow. I just don’t see it. Don’t see it at all. Dullard Putin let them arm Ukraine right under his nose while he rants about Lenin.

The company is resonsible. You don't fly planes where there is a conflict in which planes have already been shot down multiple times by air defence systems from the ground.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

https://tass.com/world/1408391

Maybe this time the Ukronazis will restrain themselves and not shoot down an airliner?

Russian rebels a lot of fucking retards are the one who shot it down. This has proven over and over everywhere. It’s fair play by me. It was a big mistake. I wouldn’t admit to it either. Ukraine is ultimately to blame for not diverting air traffic over a war zone

Ruble seems to be holding up ok. My friends in Russia aren’t too worried. This first wave of sanctions isn’t that bad. We will see. Maybe Russia is finally independent enough to where sanctions won’t matter.  

Proven where? The smoking gun didnt prove anything 

Just like Chemical weapons on Syrian civilians, WMDs in Iraq, and other lies made up by the fake news media,

Nothing US says is taken seriously or at face value

There is a video of the morons bragging about it. Than the rebels at the crash site freaking out wondering who let a civilian plane into a war zone they thought it was a Ukraine transport jet. Mistakes are made in war. Just like when Iran messed up and shot that plane down. Russian news even reported they short a Ukraine transport plane down than denied reporting the story when it was civilian. A bunch of pisdabols used a buk’s fire control radar for target acquisition and that’s the result. Not sure why people on this forum keep denying and lying about it. Mistakes happen

What video? Who made the video? Who posted the video? Where was it posted? Why was it posted? Where was the video recorded? How was the footage obtained? 

There are many questions to absorb and digest prior to assuming anything as fact or truth

Sorry dude there is no way to spin this. They fucked up and shot it down. Retards like Igor strelkov running around and making errors.

There is plenty of open source information that points to rebels just fucking up. That’s that. Just like Iran shot that plane down.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-video-shows-rebels-surprised-mh17-wreckage-civilian/27133474.html

Except the burden of proof lies with those who laid accusations,

What they came up with was a grainy fake picture showing a "smoking gun" similar to the vial of anthrax powell waived at UN

Just more bullshit from western CNN spin doctors

bitcointrader70 wrote:Looks Russia will take Kharkiv and Mariupol next. But I don’t understand the slow play. They should have just blitz a quick invasion. Now they are letting ukrops dig in and yankee to send more weapons and try to destabilize with economic warfare. There is no benefit to move slow. I just don’t see it. Don’t see it at all. Dullard Putin let them arm Ukraine right under his nose while he rants about Lenin.

Because you know more than Valeriy Gerasimov lmfao

Stick to trading bitcoin, your better at losing money than commanding army

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Looks Russia will take Kharkiv and Mariupol next. But I don’t understand the slow play. They should have just blitz a quick invasion. Now they are letting ukrops dig in and yankee to send more weapons and try to destabilize with economic warfare. There is no benefit to move slow. I just don’t see it. Don’t see it at all. Dullard Putin let them arm Ukraine right under his nose while he rants about Lenin.

Because you know more than Valeriy Gerasimov lmfao

Stick to trading bitcoin, your better at losing money than commanding army

Yeah if I was in command Ukraine 2014 would have been crushed like a bug because I would have sent VDV forces to crush the uprising.

Instead it’s been 8 years of hell for Russia with a nato thorn in its side.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2022/2/21/china-sanctions-us-defence-firms-raytheon-lockheed-over-taiwan

China sanctions US defence firms Raytheon, Lockheed over Taiwan

The move comes after the US approved a $100m deal for maintenance of Taiwan’s missile defence systems by the two firms.

Posted this here because this is a wonderful example of how to impose crippling sanctions on USA

Ban civilian sales, and ban titanium exports

Boeing and Lockheed will crumble under sanctions

Russia can drop nuclear sanctions on USA, without titanium their space and aviation markets will collapse

Russia can also maintain gas pressure and crumble western industry 

Russia has nuclear option

you really are a spin doctor, nice BS you posted there.

Reminds me of how you said Russia won't get sanctioned and NS2 wont be canned.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:you really are a spin doctor, nice BS you posted there.
Reminds me of how you said Russia won't get sanctioned and NS2 wont be canned.

NS2 certification was frozen. In practice this made no difference since the Germans have been dragging their feet on certifying the pipeline for a long time already. They had a chance to push it through before the government changed. They chose not to do it. Now the Greens are in power in a coalition. Since they are so incompetent, they still haven't figured out once Russia closes the gas from Ukraine, the Netherlands stop gas production, and they close down German nuclear reactors, they will have a massive production shortfall none of the LNG suppliers, even if you put them all together, can cover.
Better start those lignite power plants Greens. Good luck doing that on the last minute. You need lignite and operating mines for these things to operate and they don't start on a dime.

Why economic sanctions do not work ? Because they cripple the same Horse , carrying goods to your market . You may say  " well , we can do without .... ," but the trader on the other side , looses out !  And will curse you , and then turn against you . Gone is your political clout and constituency . Did the blockade against Germany , prior to WWII , or oil sanctions against Japan , help ? But now you even face a stronger foe !

Administrative borders or contact line ? Well neither ! If we are talking about true independent for LDPR , then it must be a viable state . Conditions are not the same as it existed within the larger state . Therefore must insure , access to fresh water and agricultural land , at a minimum . This may involve acquisitions , further than present administrative boundary , but not short of them .

bitcointrader70 wrote:Looks Russia will take Kharkiv and Mariupol next. But I don’t understand the slow play. They should have just blitz a quick invasion....

What's the rush?

bitcointrader70 wrote:...Now they are letting ukrops dig in and yankee to send more weapons...

You don't dig in when enemy has completed air superiority, you are just digging your own grave

You are supposed to stay on the move (how do you think we avoided getting shredded in 99?)

No amount of ATGMs will stop the airforce

SeigSoloyvov wrote:you really are a spin doctor, nice BS you posted there.

Reminds me of how you said Russia won't get sanctioned and NS2 wont be canned.

In 2 years when this whole thing has passed over, Nord Stream 2 will start up.

If not, German industrial production will move to Asia.

It is unbelievable that Europe would **** themselves over Ukraine.

Yes NS2 is frozen and hasn't been terminated, and maybe in a year or two when 2024 Ukrap gas pipes are left to dry up they'll come back and beg for that sweet RU gas again, i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't come to pass, after all the EU cucks only answer to one master and it seems like they love getting shafted every time while US keeps sucking the blood out of these dumb Eurocrats, but then again maybe the guys at Duran are right, an empire living off it's past glories has no future, Russia knows Asia is the future and I'm sure Many Asian countries would love to get their hands on that cheap Russian gas that was meant for EU, besides China and India of course.

It's been fun couple of days though, seeing NATO shills and OSINT melt over this whole debacle, Neo Nazi Azov guys sure are lucky to have such support from freedom loving west, the people that died and sacrificed their lives 80 years ago would be rolling nonstop in their graves seeing how things turned out .

bitcointrader70 wrote:There is a video of the morons bragging about it. Than the rebels at the crash site freaking out wondering who let a civilian plane into a war zone they thought it was a Ukraine transport jet. Mistakes are made in war. Just like when Iran messed up and shot that plane down. Russian news even reported they short a Ukraine transport plane down than denied reporting the story when it was civilian. A bunch of pisdabols used a buk’s fire control radar for target acquisition and that’s the result. Not sure why people on this forum keep denying and lying about it. Mistakes happen

bct, there is a reason I have you on cosmic ignore.

My wife is a native Russian speaker and we both watched, as she translated through her tears, a vid of the first NAF troops on scene. I did not have the skill then to preserve the vid and we only saw it once before it was gone, link stopped to work. I don't know who did the actual filming of this little event but I did not see any media there for some time after this vid.

Captain:"Who shot this one down?"
NCO: "They did."
Captain:"Who shot the other one down?"
NCO:"We did."
Captain:"How did we shoot down the dry?"
NCO:"He came in low to take a look and we got him."
Captain:"Where did the he go down?"
NCO:"I don't know, somewhere to the west."

Here are few points that will impact Russia after this adventure:
- Russia is isolating itself deeper on international stage and slowly turning into hermit state.
- Suddenly sclerotic NATO dinosaurs has a purpose and is back to functional life thanks to Russia.
- No one sane in Europe will work now with Russia and include it in any security architecture, trade links will be under scrutiny as well as financial and energy links, list goes on...
-Russia is not considered any more stable and reliable energy provider to Europe - even if any change on that front would mean huge costs and not easy or quick solution. EU will speed up transition to renewables and hydrogen as well as diversify supplies to reduce dependency on Russia, they would not ask for a price.
-Ukraine will not negotiate with Russia and of course will not give a damn if Russian soldiers are on its own territory so potential that crisis will spill out in future is huge.
-Ukraine will speed up its national consolidation, perhaps it will start to develop more long range weapons and missiles as a mean for access denial - it will not be able to challenge Russia but will be able to increase Russian costs and risks further up.
-Russia will have to pump up billions into rebel territories and will have to secure it with thousand of soldiers permanently.  

All in all Putin is desperate and getting more delusional as he is getting older. His problem is that world has moved away, USSSR does not exist anymore and Russia is not USSSR.

He had chance to build stable and strong relationship and prestige of Russia on international stage however because of his delusions Russia has probably the lowest prestige since collapse of USSSR and no soft power left in its inventory. It is pretty grim legacy and it is question how and will Russia be able to dig itself up from hole in which it is now.

mr_hd wrote:Here are few points that will impact Russia after this adventure:
- Russia is isolating itself deeper on international stage and slowly turning into hermit state.
- Suddenly sclerotic NATO dinosaurs has a purpose and is back to functional life thanks to Russia.
- No one sane in Europe will work now with Russia and include it in any security architecture, trade links will be under scrutiny as well as financial and energy links, list goes on...
-Russia is not considered any more stable and reliable energy provider to Europe - even if any change on that front would mean huge costs and not easy or quick solution. EU will speed up transition to renewables and hydrogen as well as diversify supplies to reduce dependency on Russia, they would not ask for a price.
-Ukraine will not negotiate with Russia and of course will not give a damn if Russian soldiers are on its own territory so potential that crisis will spill out in future is huge.
-Ukraine will speed up its national consolidation, perhaps it will start to develop more long range weapons and missiles as a mean for access denial - it will not be able to challenge Russia but will be able to increase Russian costs and risks further up.
-Russia will have to pump up billions into rebel territories and will have to secure it with thousand of soldiers permanently.  

All in all Putin is desperate and getting more delusional as he is getting older. His problem is that world has moved away, USSSR does not exist anymore and Russia is not USSSR.

He had chance to build stable and strong relationship and prestige of Russia on international stage however because of his delusions Russia has probably the lowest prestige since collapse of USSSR and no soft power left in its inventory. It is pretty grim legacy and it is question how and will Russia be able to dig itself up from hole in which it is now.

Pity you are not here to see how false your pontifications are. We leave shortly for 35th Battery Museum way down west in Kazachka Region of Sevastopol City Proper. That would be the same 35th Battery that was the C&C nexus of our revolution in Sevastopol exactly 8 years ago this day. We, my wife and I, were at Battery often and we both were on Naxhimov Square in City Center for that entire event, the tossing out of the orc government and instituting our own locals as Governor on down.

Since then we've quietly watched as Russia has gone from a CNN News joke recipient to a very strong nation that, while not to be feared does garner a goodly amount of respect including all of my very few friends left in SehSha and most any 'government' of 'the west' that has a lick of sense.

Continue onward with your delusions, we have no such delusions but we do have trust and faith in our national and local governments. You do know we live in Federal City of Sevastopol and what that means, don't you?

I don't think he is Delusional, he tried to talk it out. He honestly didn't want war in Ukraine, he wanted a Neutral Ukraine. But it was clear to him, that would never be agreed upon.

I myself would have taken that deal, a Neutral Ukraine that doesn't take anyone's side would have been a fair compromise.

However his problem is now, everyone in the West will not take kindly to his actions whether you think Russia provoked or was provoked it doesn't matter.

His main goal was to keep NATO out of Ukraine at this stage, He has given the west and Ukraine every single reason to have it enter NATO. If he steps at those two regions then he is a fool. Because NATO will move into the rest of Ukraine.

At this point, he has only one choice and that is full on annexation.