Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Why would Russia have 200,000 troops and a large portion of their navy in the Black Sea if there won’t be an invasion? He didn’t need 200,000 soldiers  to recognize 2 failed proxy states that Russia is already propping up. He tried to bluff and bully the west with the build up but they masterfully called his bluff. Now NS2 is gone and Russia sanctioned and gained zero. Recognizing a puppet state you already control is not a victory. They only needed about 2k Russian peacekeepers to move in and stop the violence. Any attacks by Ukraine would be smashed by drones, airforce, and artillery fire from across the border.

Now Putin has no choice to invade or he looks like a weak fool. Meanwhile during this whole charade NATO has been sending more and more weapons but oh no it’s not weapons that will help Ukraine win the war. It’s weapons that would make Russians remember the first and second Chechen wars.

There is way to spin this by Garry b and archangesk claiming Russia doesn’t care about Kiev or Ukraine when Putin is giving speeches about Ukrainian history on the internet.

Man this is bad for Russia indeed. The only mistake the west made is that they haven’t given Putin an off ramp. And a well executed invasion has the potential to flip the world on its head.

This is the line of Vennediktov and the rest of the imbeciles from echo moskvy , the meduza gang, and Drozd inc. 

Nord Stream 2 certification was suspended, ergo itl be back on once green's finish off the german economy in recession and are replaced by AFD, this is a gradual process

Putin has all the cards, he makes his choice when he wants, noone defines it for him 

In fact he had time to bring forward everything including the kitchen sink. 

It's the west which looks impotent sanctioning some randos and VTB bank.

I’ve never read Medusa in my life. I do my own analysis from multiple sources.
Sanctions never come in one wave. The west will escalate their sanctions at opportune time for MAX PAIN.

When Russian troops attack Ukraine positions Russia will get sanctioned. When Russia makes some legal declaration or Donetsk has elections/referendum their will be sanctions timed for that.

MAX PAIN.

It’s sad that people on this forum don’t understand the basics and keep listening to spin guruus like Garry b and archangels and kvs

These guys might as well be getting paid for kremlin because in their eyes russia has never made a bad move.  

LMFS wrote:Peaceful Ukrainians are reconciling with LDNR by intensifying their shelling of the republics, declaring emergency on the country and imposing martial law in the part of Donetsk and Lugansk they occupy. Russia is getting ready to correspond to their brotherly behaviour by removing all their diplomatic missions from the country, bringing serious hardware to the border and commenting the unlikelihood of a peaceful settlement being reached... LDNR just needs to make the call now

Meanwhile, British establishment keeps showing their true colours:

British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said that London is always ready to strike at Russian interests anywhere in the world if necessary

"The Scots Guards kicked Tsar Nicholas I in 1853 in the Crimea. We can always do it again," Wallace says.

https://t.me/s/IntelSlava

They maybe want to try?      

bitcointroller70 wrote:I’ve never read Medusa in my life. I do my own analysis from multiple sources. 

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2304842-titanium-supply-chain-threatened-by-ukraine-conflict%3famp=1

Titanium ban floated

All the US has done is to awake a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2304842-titanium-supply-chain-threatened-by-ukraine-conflict%3famp=1

Titanium ban floated

All the US has done is to awake a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve

That will produce some pain, but it can be supplied from other sources. As far as countersanctions go, real Russian strength lies in fertilizers (especially combined with Belarus, nitrogen and potash), gas to Europe, oil, nickel and palladium. To a lesser extent aluminum.

miketheterrible wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2304842-titanium-supply-chain-threatened-by-ukraine-conflict%3famp=1

Titanium ban floated

All the US has done is to awake a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve

That will produce some pain, but it can be supplied from other sources. As far as countersanctions go, real Russian strength lies in fertilizers (especially combined with Belarus, nitrogen and potash), gas to Europe, oil, nickel and palladium. To a lesser extent aluminum.

That's actually not true, Russia is actually main world supplier of enforced titanium and titanium hybrid metals used in Aerospace and automotives. They sell all over the world.

But yes, the real hurt will be in fertilizer simply cause food prices are already an issue out west as is.

Firebird wrote:I'm still puzzled at why Russia didn't liberate the Pukraine in 2014.

And I'm not sure what happens next.
I don't think I've ever seen Vlad even remotely as angry as on Monday. And rightly so.

Hopefully a counter coup is around the corner.
Russia needs to flush those toilets of the Nazis.
Perhaps some sort of federalisation will help.

I wonder how far the region's people have come in favour of closer links with Russia?
How much could be liberated and become pro-Russian today?

Clearly the Ukrainian people have been mugged off by Uncle Sham.
1/4 of the popln is prob a lost cause ie Galicia etc. 1/4 - I really don't know.
Half (of what WAS the Ukraine in 2014)or near enough must surely be pro Russian by now.

And I wonder how long it will all take to resolve? Months? Years?
Either way, I fully support a firm approach and think it should have been done in 2014.

GarryB wrote:METRIC FUCKLOAD OF FRESHLY TYPED TEXT IN POST 286:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t8738p275-ukraine-situation-after-dpr-lpr-recognition-by-russia#359893
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flamming_python wrote:....My position is simple. I'm against war...

flamming_python wrote:.... In practice this would mean war, as the DNR/LNR claim more territory than what they currently hold, and there is no more Minsk agreement to restrain them....

flamming_python wrote:....the Minsk agreement that they might have objected to, that agreement is dead....

flamming_python wrote:....The alliance of the KPRF with the Navalnites was a tactical one...

auslander wrote:The entire north border of Krimu with Ukraine is now closed, shut down tight. No one in, no one out. Period.

The border of DNR/LNR is shut, no one allowed in, civilians can cross to Russia. This confirms what we saw this afternoon coming back from the 35th Battery event.

The fight for the rest of DNR/LNR will start by week's end. It is unknown if Russian forces will be involved but the leash is off NAF.

The hunt is on for anyone who was involved in killing civilians in DNR/LNR, Odessa and the Korson Massacre of the Krimean civilians returning from Maidan debacle.

Auslander

franco wrote:https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1496581252031393796?cxt=HHwWiMC5jYau9sQpAAAA

Comments from the Russian speakers

franco wrote:Reports that the UAF is attacking both republics now... need some confirmation thru the fog of war.

Isos wrote:max seddon
@maxseddon · 31m

The Kremlin says the DNR and LNR have asked Putin to “help beat back the aggression of the Ukrainian armed forces to avoid victims among the civilian population and a humanitarian catastrophe in the Donbas”, per Russian wires