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China abstained when it was supposed to vote for Russia.
India abstained when it was supposed to vote against Russia.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
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Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:51 am
EkErilaz wrote:Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
While citizens of NATO and various officials are bat shit
insane, it's rather obvious that majority in charge aren't. As they say they won't send troops to assist Ukraine. At best they can send manpads.
I'm certain russia learned it's lesson regarding Afghanistan and how manpads are a bitch.
Edit: phone auto correct should be a criminal offense.
Last edited by miketheterrible on Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:51 am; edited 1 time in total
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
Karl Haushofer Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:51 am
EkErilaz wrote:Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
Just one quiz for all here.
Which of these would you prefer:
1. Russia gets defeated in a conventional war and Russia is finished for good as a world power?
2. Russia retaliates with nukes and game over for the world
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Nukes exist for a reason. To be used. The responsibility lies with all parties. This was all talked about between respective personal regardless of an invasion happening or not when the heat when up. It won't get to that. That's why the U.S is out.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
Hannibal Barca Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:01 pm
EkErilaz wrote:Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
Exactly, which means that everyone should act like an adult and all respect the current balance of power. This is exactly what is not happening from the governments of the tiny European vassal States, including Greece.
For example, constantly threatening Russia, with a tiny constantly depleting population and a 30% Russian minority that suffers genocide and doesn't even have the right to vote is an example of begging to be liberated. This country, used as example, is called Lithuania. And a campaign there needs 1% the effort of a liberation campaign into Ukraine.
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Karl Haushofer wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
Just one quiz for all here.
Which of these would you prefer:
1. Russia gets defeated in a conventional war and Russia is finished for good as a world power?
2. Russia retaliates with nukes and game over for the world
That is exactly the type of game theory bullshit that at this time is debated at NATO HQ.
And this is why NATO might think they are calling a bluff.
if you ask me, it is a hard question, I sometimes think this world is fucked beyond saving maybe a reset is what we need..
But as a living organism my instinct is survival.
thank god that decision is not mine..
It is russia's, and their perspective and doctrine is shaped by what they have experienced in WW2.
I think they will do it, they are way more pragmatic than i am.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:06 pm
EkErilaz wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Isos wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Yeah in that situation the only thing that matters is if Topols and Bulavas will go through. Nothing else.
Russia made it clear. No conventional war with NATO. Fire a tomahawk you get one of your cities leveled.
I agree, and trust that they will do, but there are some delusional minds in NATO that might think it is a bluff.. If one nuke goes of, it is game over for all of us..
There is no such thing as a limited exchange.
Just one quiz for all here.
Which of these would you prefer:
1. Russia gets defeated in a conventional war and Russia is finished for good as a world power?
2. Russia retaliates with nukes and game over for the world
That is exactly the type of game theory bullshit that at this time is debated at NATO HQ.
And this is why NATO might think they are calling a bluff.
if you ask me, it is a hard question, I sometimes think this world is fucked beyond saving maybe a reset is what we need..
But as a living organism my instinct is survival.
thank god that decision is not mine..
It is russia's, and their perspective and doctrine is shaped by what they have experienced in WW2.
I think they will do it, they are way more pragmatic than i am.
They been thinking about that for decades. Their time has passed and Russia is far too powerful conventionally now they wouldn't risk it.
You people are overthinking this too much. Ukraine, no one cares about. They say big words in the UN against Russia but did they sanction Russia from SWIFT? Did they block Russian assets being moved to Europe like Oil and Gas? No. Reason why, cause those are more important to them than Ukraine.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:14 pm
Der untergang
The downfall
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UAV.
UAV.
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Did they learn how bad their tactic was and will switch to real deep operation tactics for which most of their hardware was made ?
For all those talking about nato/russian nuk war, just stop it. US made it clear they won't do anything. Even their sanctions are weak as ****. They gave Ukraine just to make Russia looks like a imperialist. It's a failed strategy and shows how much they care about their satelitte state. Poland, bulgaria, baltics should learn the lesson.
For all those talking about nato/russian nuk war, just stop it. US made it clear they won't do anything. Even their sanctions are weak as ****. They gave Ukraine just to make Russia looks like a imperialist. It's a failed strategy and shows how much they care about their satelitte state. Poland, bulgaria, baltics should learn the lesson.
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Seems like Hungary is the only state holding out against kicking Russia out of swift now. Germany, Cyprus,Italy have all changed their position according to latest reports.
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Russia showed recently , modern nuke capable missiles on TV . But people need more visual info , like atmospheric test on TV . Like in Syria , I said do it . But when I say that Nukes are inevitable for all , and putting them in Donbass may be good idea , even if Ukraine can no longer do it , then they say , I need lobotomy ! Why do you think NATO not yet attacked with conventional war , killing millions ? Because of Nukes !
But before Nuke war , all that is needed is for one pilot of NATO to bite the dust , in supply mission . Then if still idiots do not understand , put a Nuke test on TV . And if super - idiot still , put one near their ship . And if super-super - idiot , then hit a ship with Nuke . Your Ship get hit with Nuke . Then peace . Better than millions dying . Nukes can be used in very limited war , to stop larger war . Hiroshima was example . War ended .
But before Nuke war , all that is needed is for one pilot of NATO to bite the dust , in supply mission . Then if still idiots do not understand , put a Nuke test on TV . And if super - idiot still , put one near their ship . And if super-super - idiot , then hit a ship with Nuke . Your Ship get hit with Nuke . Then peace . Better than millions dying . Nukes can be used in very limited war , to stop larger war . Hiroshima was example . War ended .
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:23 pm
Lurk83 wrote:Seems like Hungary is the only state holding out against kicking Russia out of swift now. Germany, Cyprus,Italy have all changed their position according to latest reports.
Then they will lose their entire energy supply, same with supply of metals and other important stuff.
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miketheterrible wrote:Lurk83 wrote:Seems like Hungary is the only state holding out against kicking Russia out of swift now. Germany, Cyprus,Italy have all changed their position according to latest reports.
Then they will lose their entire energy supply, same with supply of metals and other important stuff.
Some kinzhal on oil installations in the middle east would also be worth if the western keep taking russian money. You want destruction then get it.
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miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:30 pm
Isos wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Lurk83 wrote:Seems like Hungary is the only state holding out against kicking Russia out of swift now. Germany, Cyprus,Italy have all changed their position according to latest reports.
Then they will lose their entire energy supply, same with supply of metals and other important stuff.
Some kinzhal on oil installations in the middle east would also be worth if the western keep taking russian money. You want destruction then get it.
Apparently the guy is wrong anyway since it is Europe not wanting Russia kicked out of swift. There may be people in all these countries that do, but they wont do it. They talked about it for so long that it gave Russia, China and others opportunity to bypass it.
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Orlan wrote:Kherson again changed hands?
I asked same question, **** knows. It's so fluid that I keep losing track. It's like Ukrainian army melts when Russians come and then solidifies when it's calm. I can't explain how they can teleport there and disappear without a fight.
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The video that have been debunked as Ukrainians shooting a s-300 on their own building is now headline news in Swedish state funded media. But reported as a russian "rocket".
not surprised at all it have been going on for years, but this is so blatant in your face pure weapons grade propaganda
not surprised at all it have been going on for years, but this is so blatant in your face pure weapons grade propaganda
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miketheterrible wrote:EkErilaz wrote:Regular wrote:EkErilaz wrote:zepia wrote:Some air defense still active in Kiev?
Yes s-300
there are pictures from launch
Like i said it is a AD guerilla war now I bet they are moving them around hide them in tunnels etc.
It is against rules of war to deploy it like that , but since russia has already lost the propaganda war on normies it will be ignored.
The problem for russia is that if the war turns to bloody, lets say massive strikes resulting in high numbers of civilian casualties.
portrayed in western media as deliberate massacres, NATO might not be able to reason with politicians and civilians and be forced to escalate.
NATO forced to escalate? With what? Glowniger faggot LGBTQ+ company? Let's be realistic. Their ability to escalate AT THE MOMENT is very limited.
Honestly, I was an active soldier for 10 year, and 6 years as a reservist, and yeah the political woke posturing is not making NATO look great.
I would never go back, due to diversity training etc alone. But make no mistake NATO has teeth especially when it comes to airpower and cruise missiles etc.
Make no mistake, i fully support Russia in this war. They have the high ground.
But I hang on the NATO fanboi OSINT pages as well, not partaking like here but it is good to know what the other side know, right. And they have with open source photo and radar satellites quite a good picture on russian deployment, rear areas, IADS shit like that. Imagine what a real NATO S2 shop would know. loosing logistics right now could kill the war, and quite frankly enough tomahawks could do that.
No one is invincible in war because they are on a particular side, and no weapon system is impossible to deploy in a way that it works perfectly, just look at the ork ballistic missiles that got thru the s-400 umbrella in Rostov. War is not fought with weapon specs, but with deception creativity and brutality.
Except franco kinda destroy your comment there a out S-400 which was 200km away from rostov airbase and the ad systems are mobile and left towards Ukraine. So the Tochka strike was bad on Russia leaving the Airfield undefended.
If they had their base defended like in Syria, that tochka wouldn't gone through. It had 80kms at least distance from shoot to target.
Tomahawk are much slower might I add. But yes, no such thing as invisible.
Some years ago I peddled the idea of equipping all major russian airbases with fixes AD installations, like ships. A mix of Redut and Pantsir-M. This would have prevented this incident, beause a fixed installation can´t be send elsewhere (which was likely what happened at the base).
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Regular wrote:Orlan wrote:Kherson again changed hands?
I asked same question, **** knows. It's so fluid that I keep losing track. It's like Ukrainian army melts when Russians come and then solidifies when it's calm. I can't explain how they can teleport there and disappear without a fight.
Many videos of abandoned Russian APCs and other vehicles on that part and some destroyed convoys, that seem logistical, fuel trucks and bridge layers.
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Here's my latest war report, a lot of sources and information and has been cross checked, we are advancig and the casualties are modest, hundreds for our side and a couple thousands for the Ukrops
Ура!!
https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/02/26/parte-de-guerra-26-02-2022-1200-horas/
Ура!!
https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/02/26/parte-de-guerra-26-02-2022-1200-horas/
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2
miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:51 pm
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If this is true, then it really puts a dent in the Ukrop propaganda about how well the Ukrainians are doing. LOL
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