Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

I know there is fighting near the city but haven't heard a thing about a naval attack

Backman wrote:Russia should and will take control of Antonov. That Russian plane and Russian company has soft power value.

Alongside Motor Sich, Zenit, etc. These are war trophies, and the Hohols have to payback what Russia invested some way. It'd be nice to see An-225 in Russian tricolor scheme.

There are lots of trolls here and we just need to ignore them.

There are sanctions on Russia, these were coming regardless, if Russia did anything or not.

Western backed organizations took events out of Russia, I think this is good because when these events are on TV in the west, they just talk crap about Russia(see Beijing Olympics, they did not talk about sports).

There protests in Moscow and St Petersburg but we know who these people are.

There will Russian casualties(RIP), hopefully this ends soon.

There will equipment destroyed(this is replace able) long as Russian personnel are not injured.

The sanctions will go away, when the west realizes they are losing money.

Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

80%-90% on Twitter is false nonsense.

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it

Should Ukraine automatically join the Union State?

Russia does not want to break up Ukraine, if people read what Russian leadership has said, rather than making up crap.

What Russia wants is a united Ukraine that is neutral.

Hate campaign against Russia in full swing in Finland. TV and newspapers are full of it. This is like war time propaganda. Nothing like this happened when the US and allies invaded Iraq. Our media was more sympathetic towards the invaders then.

Lots of protests near Russian embassies around the world. For example in Ireland masses of people tried to stop Russian diplomatic stuff from entering the embassy building.

In Finland many public buildings are now illuminated with the colors of Ukrainian flag. People are gathering and sending money to Ukraine. (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. No illumination of public buildings with colors of Iraqi flags then).

Russians living in Finland tell our media how they hate Putin and are "ashamed of being from Russia". Many Russians have also gone quiet. Some are afraid to go to work or schools.

Russian kids in Finnish schools are bullied and beaten now. (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. The Americans were seen as good guys while Iraqis were seen as "terrorists").

The America is like that tall handsome guy that can do no wrong. He is adored even if he kicks a granny. Russia is like the eternal villain hated by everyone. Barely put up with if he behaves like he is told to, but hated and vilified if he doesn't obey.

I still think this was a stupid own goal by Putin. Especially if the information about great Russian losses that I have been reading about are true. Some sources say more than 5,000 Russian troops dead already. The USA didn't lose that much in 20 years in Afghanistan. Even if that figure is not true the total count must he in hundreds. Is this really worth it? Can Russia sustain these kind of losses with its current demographics? How many future fathers are being slaughtered in Ukraine now? How many Russian women will be left without husbands because of this?

All of this makes me sick to my stomach. This is a tragedy from all sides. For both Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is losing lots of people too. Infrastructure is being destroyed. Buildings, bridges etc. This is totally unnecessary. The only party who benefits from this is the United States of America. Everyone else, including Europe, loses.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Should Ukraine automatically join the Union State?

No, Russia wants them to be just neutral Ukraine.

Just read the conditions that Russia has set out.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Hate campaign against Russia in full swing in Finland. TV and newspapers are full of it. This is like war time propaganda. Nothing like this happened when the US and allies invaded Iraq. Our media was more sympathetic towards the invaders then.

Lots of protests near Russian embassies around the world. For example in Ireland masses of people tried to stop Russian diplomatic stuff from entering the embassy building.

In Finland many public buildings are now illuminated with the colors of Ukrainian flag. People are gathering and sending money to Ukraine. (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. No illumination of public buildings with colors of Iraqi flags then).

Russians living in Finland tell our media how they hate Putin and are "ashamed of being from Russia".  Many Russians have also gone quiet. Some are afraid to go to work or schools.

Russian kids in Finnish schools are bullied and beaten now.  (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. The Americans were seen as good guys while Iraqis were seen as "terrorists").

The America is like that tall handsome guy that can do no wrong. He is adored even if he kicks a granny. Russia is like the eternal villain hated by everyone. Barely put up with if he behaves like he is told to, but hated and vilified if he doesn't obey.

I still think this was a stupid own goal by Putin. Especially if the information about great Russian losses that I have been reading about are true. Some sources say more than 5,000 Russian troops dead already. The USA didn't lose that much in 20 years in Afghanistan. Even if that figure is not true the total count must he in hundreds. Is this really worth it? Can Russia sustain these kind of losses with its current demographics? How many future fathers are being slaughtered in Ukraine now? How many Russian women will be left without husbands because of this?

All of this makes me sick to my stomach. This is a tragedy from all sides. For both Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is losing lots of people too. Infrastructure is being destroyed. Buildings, bridges etc.  This is totally unnecessary. The only party who benefits from this is the United States of America. Everyone else, including Europe, loses.

Hate campaign against Russia has been going on for hundreds of years.

Russia does not care  what **** assholes in the "collective west" think.

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

Anything else is utopia and was not worth the cost.
It has been done in the past: Slovakia moved Hungarians to Hungary and Czechs moved out Germans.
Population will have a choice so can't see why there would be a perpetual war.

Plus Poland would be bordering RU - as they love to call it. Trip wire

par far wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Hate campaign against Russia in full swing in Finland. TV and newspapers are full of it. This is like war time propaganda. Nothing like this happened when the US and allies invaded Iraq. Our media was more sympathetic towards the invaders then.

Lots of protests near Russian embassies around the world. For example in Ireland masses of people tried to stop Russian diplomatic stuff from entering the embassy building.

In Finland many public buildings are now illuminated with the colors of Ukrainian flag. People are gathering and sending money to Ukraine. (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. No illumination of public buildings with colors of Iraqi flags then).

Russians living in Finland tell our media how they hate Putin and are "ashamed of being from Russia".  Many Russians have also gone quiet. Some are afraid to go to work or schools.

Russian kids in Finnish schools are bullied and beaten now.  (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. The Americans were seen as good guys while Iraqis were seen as "terrorists").

The America is like that tall handsome guy that can do no wrong. He is adored even if he kicks a granny. Russia is like the eternal villain hated by everyone. Barely put up with if he behaves like he is told to, but hated and vilified if he doesn't obey.

I still think this was a stupid own goal by Putin. Especially if the information about great Russian losses that I have been reading about are true. Some sources say more than 5,000 Russian troops dead already. The USA didn't lose that much in 20 years in Afghanistan. Even if that figure is not true the total count must he in hundreds. Is this really worth it? Can Russia sustain these kind of losses with its current demographics? How many future fathers are being slaughtered in Ukraine now? How many Russian women will be left without husbands because of this?

All of this makes me sick to my stomach. This is a tragedy from all sides. For both Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is losing lots of people too. Infrastructure is being destroyed. Buildings, bridges etc.  This is totally unnecessary. The only party who benefits from this is the United States of America. Everyone else, including Europe, loses.

Hate campaign against Russia has been going on for hundreds of years.

Russia does not care  what **** assholes in the "collective west" think.

I agree but too many Russians (and Ukrainians) are dying now. For what???

flamming_python wrote:

The Ottoman wrote:- Gazprom kicked out of the Chanpions League.
- Champions League final in Russia canceled
- Man United kicked Aeroflot out as sponsor
- F1 tournament in Russia canceled

More is coming. Russia is turning into North Korea with Little Vlad

Who the **** cares

There is history at stake here. If Russia succeeds in turning Ukrainians, then the Soviet Union will be on its way to being reborn

If Russia fails, Putin will be overthrown

I'd prefer a Russian empire instead of Soviet Union.

Find someone with German ancestry to govern it.

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1497264696403140611?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497264696403140611%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdefencehub.live%2Fthreads%2Fukraine-russia-conflict.3279%2Fpage-117

Russian kebab all over the place.

Respect for Ukraine.

I don't have how to open it (no FB account) but they claim this is in Kiev.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3009514299298992&id=100007213535373&sfnsn=mo

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

If half of Ukrainian population are "ideological Nazis" how would you free Ukraine from Nazi ideology?

This is the exact reason why I find this whole invasion so pointless. Russia already lost the battle of Ukraine 10-20 years ago. It is over. You cannot force these people to be friendly or in union with Russia. They will oppose it with their hearts, minds and actions.

The only solution (if you want to go that far) is to do what the United States did to American native people. Kill almost all of them.

If Russia invades, captures and kills some radicals and then leaves the average Ukrainians will hate Russia even more than they did before.

And this is exactly what is happening!!!

Why not annex Ukraine?

If Putin establishes a neutral government there is no guarantee that it won't slip back in the next elections.

Make it a semi autonomous part of Russia and let businesses and free trade (due to lack of tariffs) do the job.