Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why not annex Ukraine?

If Putin establishes a neutral government there is no guarantee that it won't slip back in the next elections.

Make it a semi autonomous part of Russia and let businesses and free trade (due to lack of tariffs) do the job.

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

If half of Ukrainian population are "ideological Nazis" how would you free Ukraine from Nazi ideology?

This is the exact reason why I find this whole invasion so pointless. Russia already lost the battle of Ukraine 10-20 years ago. It is over. You cannot force these people to be friendly or in union with Russia. They will oppose it with their hearts, minds and actions.

The only solution (if you want to go that far) is to do what the United States did to American native people. Kill almost all of them.

If Russia invades, captures and kills some radicals and then leaves the average Ukrainians will hate Russia even more than they did before.

And this is exactly what is happening!!!

Russian command knows what its doing, and how to dezombify people, show them that they're the same people as them, and not there to bring war. Even trying to avoid engaging Ukrainian military if possible.

While hammering the nationalist formations.

I pray the strategy succeeds

JohninMK wrote:It appears it is NATO countries not NATO. Delivery might be a problem    


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Cheetah wrote:Concerning video of a car dodging an artillery barrage in Kharkov.

Explosions look too small for any of the artillery systems that come to mind.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Hate campaign against Russia in full swing in Finland. TV and newspapers are full of it. This is like war time propaganda. Nothing like this happened when the US and allies invaded Iraq. Our media was more sympathetic towards the invaders then.

Lots of protests near Russian embassies around the world. For example in Ireland masses of people tried to stop Russian diplomatic stuff from entering the embassy building.

In Finland many public buildings are now illuminated with the colors of Ukrainian flag. People are gathering and sending money to Ukraine. (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. No illumination of public buildings with colors of Iraqi flags then).

Russians living in Finland tell our media how they hate Putin and are "ashamed of being from Russia".  Many Russians have also gone quiet. Some are afraid to go to work or schools.

Russian kids in Finnish schools are bullied and beaten now.  (Again, nothing like this happened when Iraq was invaded. The Americans were seen as good guys while Iraqis were seen as "terrorists").

The America is like that tall handsome guy that can do no wrong. He is adored even if he kicks a granny. Russia is like the eternal villain hated by everyone. Barely put up with if he behaves like he is told to, but hated and vilified if he doesn't obey.

I still think this was a stupid own goal by Putin. Especially if the information about great Russian losses that I have been reading about are true. Some sources say more than 5,000 Russian troops dead already. The USA didn't lose that much in 20 years in Afghanistan. Even if that figure is not true the total count must he in hundreds. Is this really worth it? Can Russia sustain these kind of losses with its current demographics? How many future fathers are being slaughtered in Ukraine now? How many Russian women will be left without husbands because of this?

All of this makes me sick to my stomach. This is a tragedy from all sides. For both Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine is losing lots of people too. Infrastructure is being destroyed. Buildings, bridges etc.  This is totally unnecessary. The only party who benefits from this is the United States of America. Everyone else, including Europe, loses.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

If half of Ukrainian population are "ideological Nazis" how would you free Ukraine from Nazi ideology?

This is the exact reason why I find this whole invasion so pointless. Russia already lost the battle of Ukraine 10-20 years ago. It is over. You cannot force these people to be friendly or in union with Russia. They will oppose it with their hearts, minds and actions.

The only solution (if you want to go that far) is to do what the United States did to American native people. Kill almost all of them.

If Russia invades, captures and kills some radicals and then leaves the average Ukrainians will hate Russia even more than they did before.

And this is exactly what is happening!!!

nomadski wrote:@ EkErilaz

" What is the plan? That they manage to film enough idiots doing some kind of suicide attack on russian tanks that NATO decided to grow balls? " . I said before not for Army to enter towns , unless they are  special forces  to arrest person of interest . Between , doing nothing and sitting outside a town , and levelling the city with bombs , there is a wide gap . Some things can be done , without relying on politicians confused approaches :


( 1 )  Illumination flares at night over a city , to show you mean them no harm .

( 2 )  Leaflets dropped over the city .

( 3 )  Offering Money for information on Nazi sympathisers .

( 4 )  Radio and TV broadcasts with factual information on war .

( 5 )  Offering medical care from field hospitals , to locals .

Once population is brought onside , then a swift operation to arrest coup organisers , and establish caretaker administration to organise free elections .

Can you think of anything ?

Edit ; close that polish border , against NATO weapon shipments .

Kriva wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

If half of Ukrainian population are "ideological Nazis" how would you free Ukraine from Nazi ideology?

This is the exact reason why I find this whole invasion so pointless. Russia already lost the battle of Ukraine 10-20 years ago. It is over. You cannot force these people to be friendly or in union with Russia. They will oppose it with their hearts, minds and actions.

The only solution (if you want to go that far) is to do what the United States did to American native people. Kill almost all of them.

If Russia invades, captures and kills some radicals and then leaves the average Ukrainians will hate Russia even more than they did before.

And this is exactly what is happening!!!

Not sure if that picture I posted works or not.
They can hate as much as they want as they should be landlocked country at the end of the operation and yes population can move to new UA or stay where they are but in that case would become RU citizens.

nomadski wrote:@ EkErilaz

" What is the plan? That they manage to film enough idiots doing some kind of suicide attack on russian tanks that NATO decided to grow balls? " . I said before not for Army to enter towns , unless they are  special forces  to arrest person of interest . Between , doing nothing and sitting outside a town , and levelling the city with bombs , there is a wide gap . Some things can be done , without relying on politicians confused approaches :


( 1 )  Illumination flares at night over a city , to show you mean them no harm .

( 2 )  Leaflets dropped over the city .

( 3 )  Offering Money for information on Nazi sympathisers .

( 4 )  Radio and TV broadcasts with factual information on war .

( 5 )  Offering medical care from field hospitals , to locals .

Once population is brought onside , then a swift operation to arrest coup organisers , and establish caretaker administration to organise free elections .

Can you think of anything ?

Edit ; close that polish border , against NATO weapon shipments .

flamming_python wrote:

Na. It's all Ukro and NATO disinfo.

In reality, Russia has lost a column of trucks, at least one tank, a BMP, probably some paratroopers, a helicopter, a transport aircraft back in Russia. What I know so far.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Na. It's all Ukro and NATO disinfo.

In reality, Russia has lost a column of trucks, at least one tank, a BMP, probably some paratroopers, a helicopter, a transport aircraft back in Russia. What I know so far.

It wouldn't be hard to believe that both sides lost hundreds of troops, because Russia is sticking to fighting on the roads and bypasses hard points. All sides just drive up and down all the time. Hence why artillery is having a field day hitting these convoys, bet it russian or ukrainian.

Real casualties are big, but not in thousands. This can change very soon tomorrow.

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Kriva wrote:Taking into consideration sanctions and human scarificies I think it makes sense to partition UA for good.
Any agreement can be revoked or shreded so I would really go for ultimate option.
Civilians could get option to either move to Ukraine or remain within RU border

Blue is RU border (width anywhere betwe 50-100Km)

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

They will have united state with a small incovenience and tha being land locked and bordering only RU as per the image.
That image doesn't work by the looks of it  

Nope, if Putin tries that, and who knows he may - it would be a huge mistake, and only cause the war to go on.

United Ukrainian state, free of Nazi ideology.

If half of Ukrainian population are "ideological Nazis" how would you free Ukraine from Nazi ideology?

This is the exact reason why I find this whole invasion so pointless. Russia already lost the battle of Ukraine 10-20 years ago. It is over. You cannot force these people to be friendly or in union with Russia. They will oppose it with their hearts, minds and actions.

The only solution (if you want to go that far) is to do what the United States did to American native people. Kill almost all of them.

If Russia invades, captures and kills some radicals and then leaves the average Ukrainians will hate Russia even more than they did before.

And this is exactly what is happening!!!

Russian command knows what its doing, and how to dezombify people, show them that they're the same people as them, and not there to bring war. Even trying to avoid engaging Ukrainian military if possible.

While hammering the nationalist formations.

I pray the strategy succeeds

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Na. It's all Ukro and NATO disinfo.

In reality, Russia has lost a column of trucks, at least one tank, a BMP, probably some paratroopers, a helicopter, a transport aircraft back in Russia. What I know so far.

It wouldn't be hard to believe that both sides lost hundreds of troops, because Russia is sticking to fighting on the roads and bypasses hard points. All sides just drive up and down all the time. Hence why artillery is having a field day hitting these convoys, bet it russian or ukrainian.

Real casualties are big, but not in thousands. This can change very soon tomorrow.