Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

From what I heard today, it seems NATO countries are still going to keep funneling weapons into Ukraine, through its western border. Anyone know how Russia can counter this? Russia can't allow a long insurgency to occur. If they annex the eastern half of Ukraine, could it solve this issue?

Answer to Firebird: Bad idea. Send the Chechens.

billybatts91 wrote:From what I heard today, it seems NATO countries are still going to keep funneling weapons into Ukraine, through its western border. Anyone know how Russia can counter this? Russia can't allow a long insurgency to occur. If they annex the eastern half of Ukraine, could it solve this issue?

I would go with suicide drone strikes.

billybatts91 wrote:From what I heard today, it seems NATO countries are still going to keep funneling weapons into Ukraine, through its western border. Anyone know how Russia can counter this? Russia can't allow a long insurgency to occur. If they annex the eastern half of Ukraine, could it solve this issue?

They already sent the outdated stocks which didn't help. For new ones Kiev will need some loans and there isn't anyone to man them. Ukrainians are all already traped so they won't be able to get them.

Russia options was before this full scale war started was..

1) allow ukraine to continue shelling donbass and more civilians killed.

with ukrainians and NATO hating russia and doing everything possible to destroy them.

allow nato to continue arming ukraine including storage nuclear weapons from nato.

creating the conditions for far worse war , with ukraine fully armed and with nukes...


2) dont allow ukraine to continue bombing civilians , the hate will be the same as #1 ,
but if russia fight backs ,and disarm them and capture all ukraine borders, they will have no way to continue bombing civilians and NATO will have no way to provide heavy weapons to ukraine . effectively making ukraine useless for NATO and destroying all their plans of militarization with nukes ukraine.


so from those 2 options , the #2 is far better , or at least less bad.

Because if russia completely disable all ukraine airports and naval ports , and control of the gates in and out of ukraine.. then effectively ukraine will be totally useless for the west as a military base for treatening russia. Ukrainians and NATO will hate russia anyway.. sanctions were imposed either way ,even before the invasion of russia began.


the fact is the west is at war with Russia ,way before this ukraine conflict began in 2014..
so the most practical thing is to go ahead , disarm ukraine no matter the cost.. because it will be
much more expensive ,to delay this war.. and start it ..when a world war 3 with US and nato began.
so before any major war start with the west.. Russia needs to secure all their flanks and remove any hostile government to russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OisJkpGYpAo

Russia’s military performance is underwhelming. I’m starting to believe westerns that claim Russia can’t go to toe with nato conventional and has to heavily rely on nukes. This has been a disorganized mess by Russia quite frankly.

And holding the country with such a hostile population will be really hard.

On a slightly humorous note if I was living in Kiev right now I would be looking to start my own mafia/criminal gang right now with all those weapons they are handing out like candy.

Russia should have been able to completely destroy Ukraine’s Air Force on day one.

I am impressed with the SAM destruction/suppression. However how do the ukrops still have planes flying.

Where is the Russian CAS and air strikes by su25?

Where are the drones to pummel Ukraine positions?

It’s looking more like Chechnya every day.

Lol Russia is fighting at less than quarter strength

Russia in Syria and Russia in Ukraine are two different animals, and still Russia has success

Casualties are at around 100 per day for Ukraine, for Russia it's way under 100.

The strategy has worked and will only be augmented depending on Ukrainian intransigence

But Russia has not had many casualties and the strategy works to remain good with Ukrainian population

Arkanghelsk wrote:Lol Russia is fighting at less than quarter strength

Russia in Syria and Russia in Ukraine are two different animals, and still Russia has success

Casualties are at around 100 per day for Ukraine, for Russia it's way under 100.

The strategy has worked and will only be augmented depending on Ukrainian intransigence

But Russia has not had many casualties and the strategy works to remain good with Ukrainian population

100 a day is 1000 in ten days and 3000 in a month.

Is this worth it?

bitcointrader70 wrote:Russia’s military performance is underwhelming. I’m starting to believe westerns that claim Russia can’t go to toe with nato conventional and has to heavily rely on nukes. This has been a disorganized mess by Russia quite frankly.

And holding the country with such a hostile population will be really hard.

On a slightly humorous note if I was living in Kiev right now I would be looking to start my own mafia/criminal gang right now with all those weapons they are handing out like candy.

It has been less than two days. Concrete information is practically nonexistent. I've seen far more actual footage of destroyed or abandoned Ukrainian equipment than I have of Russian equipment. Every single PA from the Ukrainian MoD has been categorically false, and all of the resistance supposedly faced by the Russian forces has turned out to be either nonexistent, or oversold.

I'd say, based on that, it's necessary to wait and see, to properly determine the outcome of this military venture.

Russia supposedly has 160k to 200k around the Pukraine borders pre the start.
The morons in Britain reckoned 1/3rd of that is in the Pukraine right now.

Russia's army, before conscripts and reserves is not far off 1 million.
By that, only a tiny proportion of Russia's forces are committed so far.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Lol Russia is fighting at less than quarter strength

Russia in Syria and Russia in Ukraine are two different animals, and still Russia has success

Casualties are at around 100 per day for Ukraine, for Russia it's way under 100.

The strategy has worked and will only be augmented depending on Ukrainian intransigence

But Russia has not had many casualties and the strategy works to remain good with Ukrainian population

100 a day is 1000 in ten days and 3000 in a month.

Is this worth it?

100 a day for Ukraine, Russia have less than 50 if that at all,

Cheetah wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Russia’s military performance is underwhelming. I’m starting to believe westerns that claim Russia can’t go to toe with nato conventional and has to heavily rely on nukes. This has been a disorganized mess by Russia quite frankly.

And holding the country with such a hostile population will be really hard.

On a slightly humorous note if I was living in Kiev right now I would be looking to start my own mafia/criminal gang right now with all those weapons they are handing out like candy.

It has been less than two days. Concrete information is practically nonexistent. I've seen far more actually footage of destroyed or abandoned Ukrainian equipment than I have of Russian equipment. Every single PA from the Ukrainian MoD has been categorically false, and all of the resistance supposedly faced by the Russian forces has turned out to be either nonexistent, or oversold.

I'd say, based on that, it's necessary to wait and see, to properly determine the outcome of this military venture.

You seem smart.

Maybe, just maybe, you should realize you are talking to a fucking idiot that is purposely flooding this thread, along with his cohort Mr "I am Green beret in Iraq" Sieg moron.

They aren't interested in truth or telling it. They just make shit up, find DCS made propaganda and or post shit from years ago and claim now or is Ukrainian and claim its Russian.

These guys purposely lie and the more the rest of you dummies keep replying to them, the more they will keep it up and flood the thread.

Advice: put them on ignore and post real stuff.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Lol Russia is fighting at less than quarter strength

Russia in Syria and Russia in Ukraine are two different animals, and still Russia has success

Casualties are at around 100 per day for Ukraine, for Russia it's way under 100.

The strategy has worked and will only be augmented depending on Ukrainian intransigence

But Russia has not had many casualties and the strategy works to remain good with Ukrainian population

100 a day is 1000 in ten days and 3000 in a month.

Is this worth it?

100 a day for Ukraine, Russia have less than 50 if that at all,

Well I hope you are right and your sources (whatever they are) are reliable.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Lol Russia is fighting at less than quarter strength

Russia in Syria and Russia in Ukraine are two different animals, and still Russia has success

Casualties are at around 100 per day for Ukraine, for Russia it's way under 100.

The strategy has worked and will only be augmented depending on Ukrainian intransigence

But Russia has not had many casualties and the strategy works to remain good with Ukrainian population

100 a day is 1000 in ten days and 3000 in a month.

Is this worth it?

100 a day for Ukraine, Russia have less than 50 if that at all,

As I said to Cheeta, you are replying to a retard.  Stop flooding this thread by replying to them lying. You won't win.

Remember, argue with a retard, and in the end, no one wins - you end up looking just as retarded.

Let's be very clear,  all talk of regaining Ukraine as a friend, is pure OPTIMISM

The real goals of the operation go back the ultimatum delivered by Ryabkov.

No NATO expansion, and removal of missiles

Part 1 has been solved, part 2 we are getting there very soon

NATO cannot expand , it's done

If Ukraine turns friendly , great, if not well it doesnt matter as long as it's not a NATO state

With little to no Russian casualties, the results were definitely worth it because the mission was accomplished 

Now getting the missiles out, I think that is what is going to shock many western observers on the forum

We are going to enter a period of DEFCON 1, and I hope everyone is ready for that, champions league, World cup, Eurovision, noone Will participate in it, because as I have said before, those missiles are coming out even if it takes DEFCON 1

The west is not the only one who can create global lockdowns through biowar , Russia can impose a global lockdown , and social distancing , the nuclear variant

miketheterrible wrote:You seem smart.

Maybe, just maybe, you should realize you are talking to a fucking idiot that is purposely flooding this thread, along with his cohort Mr "I am Green beret in Iraq" Sieg moron.

They aren't interested in truth or telling it. They just make shit up, find DCS made propaganda and or post shit from years ago and claim now or is Ukrainian and claim its Russian.

These guys purposely lie and the more the rest of you dummies keep replying to them, the more they will keep it up and flood the thread.

Advice: put them on ignore and post real stuff.

You're mistaking my boredom for a lack of realisation. Easy mistake to make. If nothing else, I get to work on my sentence structure and delivery. All the better if I get a coherent conversation out of some of these guys.

Cheetah wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:You seem smart.

Maybe, just maybe, you should realize you are talking to a fucking idiot that is purposely flooding this thread, along with his cohort Mr "I am Green beret in Iraq" Sieg moron.

They aren't interested in truth or telling it. They just make shit up, find DCS made propaganda and or post shit from years ago and claim now or is Ukrainian and claim its Russian.

These guys purposely lie and the more the rest of you dummies keep replying to them, the more they will keep it up and flood the thread.

Advice: put them on ignore and post real stuff.

You're mistaking my boredom for a lack of realisation. Easy mistake to make. If nothing else, I get to work on my sentence structure and delivery. All the better if I get a coherent conversation out of some of these guys.

It just ruins the thread

I am having hard time understanding Ukrainian, what do they say to Russian and what the **** is this?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497300029807075331

miketheterrible wrote:

It just ruins the thread

I see your point.
Very well. I'll shut up.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Let's be very clear,  all talk of regaining Ukraine as a friend, is pure OPTIMISM

The real goals of the operation go back the ultimatum delivered by Ryabkov.

No NATO expansion, and removal of missiles

Part 1 has been solved, part 2 we are getting there very soon

NATO cannot expand , it's done

If Ukraine turns friendly , great, if not well it doesnt matter as long as it's not a NATO state

With little to no Russian casualties, the results were definitely worth it because the mission was accomplished 

Now getting the missiles out, I think that is what is going to shock many western observers on the forum

We are going to enter a period of DEFCON 1, and I hope everyone is ready for that, champions league, World cup, Eurovision, noone Will participate in it, because as I have said before, those missiles are coming out even if it takes DEFCON 1

And how does Russia achieve this without permanent military presence in Ukraine? Including the western part of Ukraine.

miketheterrible wrote:

Cheetah wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Russia’s military performance is underwhelming. I’m starting to believe westerns that claim Russia can’t go to toe with nato conventional and has to heavily rely on nukes. This has been a disorganized mess by Russia quite frankly.

And holding the country with such a hostile population will be really hard.

On a slightly humorous note if I was living in Kiev right now I would be looking to start my own mafia/criminal gang right now with all those weapons they are handing out like candy.

It has been less than two days. Concrete information is practically nonexistent. I've seen far more actually footage of destroyed or abandoned Ukrainian equipment than I have of Russian equipment. Every single PA from the Ukrainian MoD has been categorically false, and all of the resistance supposedly faced by the Russian forces has turned out to be either nonexistent, or oversold.

I'd say, based on that, it's necessary to wait and see, to properly determine the outcome of this military venture.

You seem smart.

Maybe, just maybe, you should realize you are talking to a fucking idiot that is purposely flooding this thread, along with his cohort Mr "I am Green beret in Iraq" Sieg moron.

They aren't interested in truth or telling it. They just make shit up, find DCS made propaganda and or post shit from years ago and claim now or is Ukrainian and claim its Russian.

These guys purposely lie and the more the rest of you dummies keep replying to them, the more they will keep it up and flood the thread.

Advice: put them on ignore and post real stuff.

If anybody is a fucking retard it’s you pisdabol. You were all with Garry b, KVS, and archa claiming that Putin wasn’t going to invade and cia and nato and us intelligence were all liars trying to whip up hysteria.

No invasion no invasion no invasion. Ukraine will collapse on its own. Hurr durr if it would collapse why did Putin invade?

Than the ridiculous assertions that nato has conceded to Russian demands.

Hurr durr the rebels can defeat the entire Ukraine army on their own.

Liars and charlatans with delusions of grandeur. Half the people on this forum.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Let's be very clear,  all talk of regaining Ukraine as a friend, is pure OPTIMISM

The real goals of the operation go back the ultimatum delivered by Ryabkov.

No NATO expansion, and removal of missiles

Part 1 has been solved, part 2 we are getting there very soon

NATO cannot expand , it's done

If Ukraine turns friendly , great, if not well it doesnt matter as long as it's not a NATO state

With little to no Russian casualties, the results were definitely worth it because the mission was accomplished 

Now getting the missiles out, I think that is what is going to shock many western observers on the forum

We are going to enter a period of DEFCON 1, and I hope everyone is ready for that, champions league, World cup, Eurovision, noone Will participate in it, because as I have said before, those missiles are coming out even if it takes DEFCON 1

And how does Russia achieve this without permanent military presence in Ukraine? Including the western part of Ukraine.

It's already been achieved, NATO is out of Ukraine