Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

I can't believe Russia is again going for negotiations.

Kiev is using the negotiation option only as a way to buy time. They say we're going to negotiate, Russia winds down operation, Ukraine prepares new positions and calls negotiations off.

This is starting to look quite bad.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:This is Russia's Cuban Missile crisis drama since Washington is refusing to let his dog negotiate, unlike how the Russians negotiated in 1962.

Except, Washignton has a lot of experience playing these games.... and they usually win most of them in the modern era.

Putin is not gorbachev, and they got avangard , poseidon, s500, nudol, for a reason 

Yasen with nuclear zircons and kalibr on patrol

Tu95 with nuclear kh101 in the air

NATO will not sacrifice itself over Ukraine - they just want these two countries to tear each other apart. AND stop pushing for nuclear war. It's not going to happen either. Even left over Neo-cons can't do much with the ashes that will remain. The current Russian strategy is working great but Zelensky needs to talk pretty soon otherwise things will change drastically in Kiev.

We are in crazy Town

Mir wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:This is Russia's Cuban Missile crisis drama since Washington is refusing to let his dog negotiate, unlike how the Russians negotiated in 1962.

Except, Washignton has a lot of experience playing these games.... and they usually win most of them in the modern era.

Putin is not gorbachev, and they got avangard , poseidon, s500, nudol, for a reason 

Yasen with nuclear zircons and kalibr on patrol

Tu95 with nuclear kh101 in the air

NATO will not sacrifice itself over Ukraine - they just want these two countries to tear each other apart. AND stop pushing for nuclear war. It's not going to happen either. Even left over Neo-cons can't do much with the ashes that will remain. The current Russian strategy is working great but Zelensky needs to talk pretty soon otherwise things will change drastically in Kiev.

You are right about NATO not sacrificing itself over Ukraine but the threat of nuclear war in this event cannot be ruled out.

As for the clown, he under US control. He cannot negotiate, even if he wanted to.

Someone from the Ukrainian military will take over with Russian assistance and the pro Russian party will take over. And the clown will go to the west and the west will say that it is a government in exile(this is just my opinion.)

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO

"We will die as martyrs, they will simply drop dead"

This is goddamn scary

Wait a sec

Putin said nothing like that. Just watched the speech

He just ordered Russian forces to go to a higher alert level (but not the highest one). And he didnt mention the RVSN (nuclear deterrent), just 'deterrence measures'

Urluber wrote:I can't believe Russia is again going for negotiations.

Kiev is using the negotiation option only as a way to buy time. They say we're going to negotiate, Russia winds down operation, Ukraine prepares new positions and calls negotiations off.

This is starting to look quite bad.

The military operation will continue by the looks of it, while negotiations take place.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO

"We will die as martyrs, they will simply drop dead"

This is goddamn scary

Wait a sec

Putin said nothing like that. Just watched the speech

He just ordered Russian forces to go to a higher alert level (but not the highest one).

He said it a while back.

par far wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO

"We will die as martyrs, they will simply drop dead"

This is goddamn scary

Wait a sec

Putin said nothing like that. Just watched the speech

He just ordered Russian forces to go to a higher alert level (but not the highest one).

He said it a while back.

When?

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Personally all this talk about nukes, nuclear war blah blah is nonsense. There will be no nukes flying back and fourth, there will be no nuclear war, there won't be invasions of Belarus, Kaliningrad, or the Baltic's. NATO, USA and UK won't go to nuclear war over Ukraine. And EU countries would never allow nuclear war especially on their doorstep on within their own country. They never actually cared about Ukraine or Ukrainians just lied to them, fed them the promise of protection, NATO membership and EU membership it was all LIES, they did this to push Russia, USA wanted a reason to slap sanctions on Russia so the EU would sanction NS2, USA are butt hurt about the project. Ukraine was duped plain and simple. So let's stop clogging this thread with nuclear nonsense and invasions of countries that will never happen. This isn't a command and conquer PC game your playing.
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flamming_python wrote:Wait a sec

Putin said nothing like that. Just watched the speech

He just ordered Russian forces to go to a higher alert level (but not the highest one).

Some people would like to take the ultimate selfie with a mushroom cloud as a backdrop. Nuclear war is not an option.

flamming_python wrote:

par far wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Puts Russian Nuclear Deterrence Forces on High Alert Over Aggressive Statements by NATO

"We will die as martyrs, they will simply drop dead"

This is goddamn scary

Wait a sec

Putin said nothing like that. Just watched the speech

He just ordered Russian forces to go to a higher alert level (but not the highest one).

He said it a while back.

When?

4 years ago.

d_taddei2 wrote:**********************************************************
Personally all this talk about nukes, nuclear war blah blah is nonsense. There will be no nukes flying back and fourth, there will be no nuclear war, there won't be invasions of Belarus, Kaliningrad, or the Baltic's. NATO, USA and UK won't go to nuclear war over Ukraine. And EU countries would never allow nuclear war especially on their doorstep on within their own country. They never actually cared about Ukraine or Ukrainians just lied to them, fed them the promise of protection, NATO membership and EU membership it was all LIES, they did this to push Russia, USA wanted a reason to slap sanctions on Russia so the EU would sanction NS2, USA are butt hurt about the project. Ukraine was duped plain and simple. So let's stop clogging this thread with nuclear nonsense and invasions of countries that will never happen. This isn't a command and conquer PC game your playing.
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I don't think that there will be one either but it sends a message to the western neo cons and hot heads.

It has to more to do with western countries saying that they are sending weapons to Ukraine.

Finty wrote:Sounds like we could all do with someone turning Putin’s grey matter into wallpaper, if he’s as mental as is being implied.

That's the problem with you americans. You always speak for others. Just **** off in your country. Take your dollars, soldiers, missiles and most importabtly all your puppets.

Finty wrote:Sounds like we could all do with someone turning Putin’s grey matter into wallpaper, if he’s as mental as is being implied.

He has a very tough job but he is doing just fine! The so-called leadership in the west are the ones that needs to be exterminated for good.

Mir wrote:

Finty wrote:Sounds like we could all do with someone turning Putin’s grey matter into wallpaper, if he’s as mental as is being implied.

He has a very tough job but he is doing just fine! The so-called leadership in the west are the ones that needs to be exterminated for good.

I don’t like agreeing with Putin shills but I must. Our leadership here in Britain is treasonous dogsh*t, whilst Biden probably needs to be sent to a care home ASAP.

Lmfao everyone here is coping, "no nukes will fly derp derp derp"

*meanwhile nuclear forces go active

Damn man, western imbeciles , btw finty it's your own stupid liz truss who doesnt know geography or history who is calling for NATO russia war

Whether you think it's likely or not is irrelevant, you are not in charge of anything

Putin takes these statements seriously and is preparing for the consequences

Finty wrote:

Mir wrote:

Finty wrote:Sounds like we could all do with someone turning Putin’s grey matter into wallpaper, if he’s as mental as is being implied.

He has a very tough job but he is doing just fine! The so-called leadership in the west are the ones that needs to be exterminated for good.

I don’t like agreeing with Putin shills but I must. Our leadership here in Britain is treasonous dogsh*t, whilst Biden probably needs to be sent to a care home ASAP.

Biden, Macron, Zelensky, Sholtz... none of them has any power.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Lmfao everyone here is coping, "no nukes will fly derp derp derp"

*meanwhile nuclear forces go active

Damn man, western imbeciles , btw finty it's your own stupid liz truss who doesnt know geography or history who is calling for NATO russia war

Whether you think it's likely or not is irrelevant, you are not in charge of anything

Putin takes these statements seriously and is preparing for the consequences

Well it seem Russia has increased its forczs and will start blowing up everything. I think its a deterance for what's coming.

Nato is flying awacs far away from Russia and aren't moving that much stuff. They aren't a danger at all right now from what I see.

President Vladimir Putin placed the country’s strategic deterrence forces on “special” alert on Sunday, announcing the move during a meeting with Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov.

“Western countries are not only taking unfriendly actions against our country in the economic area. I'm speaking about the illegitimate sanctions that everyone is well aware of. However, the top officials of the leading NATO countries also make aggressive statements against our country as well,” Putin stated.

Russia’s deterrent forces include various strategic weapons, both nuclear and conventional, which can be used for defense and offense alike. According to Russia’s military definition, the forces are designed to “to deter aggression against Russia and its allies, as well as to defeat the aggressor, including in a war with the use of nuclear weapons.”

A message from the Russian Ministry of Defense about the use of white phosphorus in the Gostomel region is circulating on telegram channels . Yesterday this information came from our sources in Gostomel, but we were waiting for additional confirmation. The words of the defense department are confirmed by a published image from the Sentinel-2 satellite, where fires with characteristic white smoke are blazing around the Antonov airport in Gostomel.

It is very likely that the ukrovermacht is in such a desperate situation that it considers it possible to use ammunition prohibited by all conventions.

https://t.me/s/SIL0VIKI

Just yesterday I would have brushed aside the Ukrainian claims of 3500 Russian KIA as "Baghdad Bob" style propaganda. But seeing all the footage of ambushed units, I think that might actually be a realistic number.

It appears the Russian military might be politically handicapped by trying to win hearts and minds, instead of trying to win the war.

As a Russophile, it is heartbreaking to see all those Russian KIA and POWs (and I firmly a lot of those were realisticly preventable). A lot of it doesnt appear to be cases of Russian units engaging the enemy, and emerging victorious but having taken casualties (which is to be expected in war). Rather it seems that sometimes entire companies are being wiped out (judging by the number of vehicle husks in the ambush footage).

Also extremely strange to see Tigrs and MT-LBs being used in large numbers as infantry carriers, as opposed to BMPs and BTRs.

And before you judge me too harshly, the Russian infowar is pathetic, for anyone thats not a Russian speaker. I'm a Russophile, which is already a minority group in many places around the world (and an increasingly repressed one at that). It's not helped one bit, by Russia's piss-poor propaganda efforts. And don't try to tell me that all those videos are fake.

While I do believe Russia is advancing and has the initiative, I also believe the campaign could have been conducted with much, much fewer Russian casualties.

So sanctions will be canceled now? Ukraine will give up? What's the point of so-called DEFCON, can someone please explain as I don't really understand these pecularities? Why there's a need for it now?

Regular wrote:So sanctions will be canceled now? Ukraine will give up? What's the point of so-called DEFCON, can someone please explain as I don't really understand these pecularities? Why there's a need for it now?

DEFCON is a nuclear alert level, the lower we go, the higher the probability of war

Command planes go up, and launch on warning protocols go active near DEFCON 2

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Regular wrote:So sanctions will be canceled now? Ukraine will give up? What's the point of so-called DEFCON, can someone please explain as I don't really understand these pecularities? Why there's a need for it now?

DEFCON is a nuclear alert level, the lower we go, the higher the probability of war

Command planes go up, and launch on warning protocols go active near DEFCON 2

Ok, I should have expressed myself differently. This has been a hard day for me.

By raising the readiness level of nuclear deterrence force Russia wants to use this in negotiations, I am right?

How will it affect the whole of this situation, wouldn't it just escalate it further? Where does it end?

Regular wrote:So sanctions will be canceled now? Ukraine will give up? What's the point of so-called DEFCON, can someone please explain as I don't really understand these pecularities? Why there's a need for it now?

Nothing will be canceled.
It will not give up, have some respect for them.
Statement is directed at external parties of the conflict - that after first shock started getting ideas of military aid and possible limited intervention in westernmost part. Statement for them to stay the **** off, sanction and watch.