Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

A ukie military coup is a fantasy idea, its not going to happen in reality

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

confirmed by who?  Can we get links?

There are pictures of them on twitter. You can easily find them. But it is russian ones for sure.

Buks are very effective.

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

Again, let's not fall for propaganda.  Until proof showing serial number etc is shown treat such claims with caution. I have seen with my own eyes one Su-25 wreck, with visible RF number. Another one shows number 07, BUT  a bort 07 was lost the other day. So for me confirmed for today is one Su-25 and one possible Mi-8 (because until proof it was VKS, could ukr for all we know, trying to capture the pilot), and one Su-25 yesterday, which by the way, that 07 may or not have been be lost yesterday, remember the MOD admitted in the first day that they lost a Su-25. It may be that just yesterday the ukrs found the wreckage.

So don't believe anything until you can see with your own eyes.

PS: I have seen with my own eyes bort 04, so yes possibly two lost today unfortunately.

Mir wrote:An interesting letter from the Kiev authorities but it might be fake? Yandex translate >>



If true this weekend might mark the end of the hostilities.

Russia has captured more like 20-25% of Ukrainian territory, and that's including the DNR/LNR

Many more Ukrainian civilians than that have left, hundreds of thousands to a million

Haven't seen any evidence of the nationalists being out of control. They're mainly in Mariupol, the Donetsk pocket and Kharkov but they're fighting and not engaging their own army. They are shooting civilians though certainly, in Mariupol
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1499391797457559562
https://twitter.com/p8CntcBCrbZpMyB/status/1497618555306713097

About 75% of the military forces of the Ukraine - most of them are still operational in some form, but about that number is probably operationally surrounded by now

NATO will not intervene that much is true. There was a report about an Estonian registered trawler hitting a mine off the coast of Odessa. A Romanian MiG-21 disappearing while escorting a Ukrainian Su-27 back to the Ukraine (it had escaped to the Ukraine earlier), and the Romanian helicopter sent to look for the MiG-21 also disappeared - apparently due to 'bad weather'.
So the NATO attempts at sneaking in have been checked it seems.

On the whole we can regard the letter as a mix of truths, half-truths and lies. Most likely fake.

Mir wrote:Just waiting for Orlan and Bitcoin dude - just to make 100% sure

No need to wait for me. Ukraine won’t be surrendering anytime soon. Not from this clown show by the Russian army.

Russia has very good strategic weapons.
Khinzal/zircon/kalibre/iskander are unmatched and obviously the best in the world in their class respectively. Completely unmatched by anything in the west.

However on the tactical level Russia’s military is vastly inferior to those of western armies. Poorly trained un-coordinated. Obvious lack of effective communication between units and high command.

There seems to be very little coordination between air force and army. Combined arms is practically nonexistent. Tactical aviation is not supporting Russian assaults. Proof? This whole forum crying last night why were Russian choppers not helping the Russians at the nuclear reactor. If that was an American unit air support would have been inbound ASAP.

They have lost several su25s and maybe close to over 30 helicopters now. Lack of effective SEAD weapons is evident. Russia needs something like SDB for stand off attack on SAMs that are switched off.

Drone warfare has been lacking. Lack of recon drones. If they had about 100 Orion attack drones this entire war would be a hundred times better.

I remember Garry the idiot telling me that there is no evidence that drones are good against SAMS in another thread. Except they have been wonderful as shown in Syria Libya and Ukraine.

This war is nothing like what pretty much every member on this forum was saying it would be.

It shows that russia has spent all its dollars on strategic weapons and heavily neglected its ground army and tactical aviation.

Against Poland this would have been a slaughter.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Mir wrote:Just waiting for Orlan and Bitcoin dude - just to make 100% sure

No need to wait for me. Ukraine won’t be surrendering anytime soon. Not from this clown show by the Russian army.

Russia has very good strategic weapons.
Khinzal/zircon/kalibre/iskander are unmatched and obviously the best in the world in their class respectively. Completely unmatched by anything in the west.

However on the tactical level Russia’s military is vastly inferior to those of western armies. Poorly trained un-coordinated. Obvious lack of effective communication between units and high command.

There seems to be very little coordination between air force and army. Combined arms is practically nonexistent. Tactical aviation is not supporting Russian assaults. Proof? This whole forum crying last night why where Russian choppers helping the Russians at the nuclear reactor.

They have lost several su25s and maybe close to over 30 helicopters now. Lack of effective SEAD weapons is evident. Russia needs something like SDB for stand off attack on SAMs that are switched off.

Drone warfare has been lacking. Lack of recon drones. If they had about 100 Orion attack drones this entire war would be a hundred times better.

I remember Garry the idiot telling me that there is no evidence that drones are good against SAMS in another thread. Except they have been wonderful as shown in Syria Libya and Ukraine.

This war is nothing like what pretty much every member on this forum was saying it would be.

It shows that russia has spent all its dollars on strategic weapons and heavily neglected its ground army and tactical aviation.

Against Poland this would have been a slaughter.

Russia hasn't been using its barrel artillery, EW, air superiority fighters and a bunch of other things

It's air defense it seems to have only switched on recently

And from what I heard during the first 3 days Russian troops had orders to avoid civilian casualties at all cost, even at the expense of their own lives. Now they've switched to prioritizing their own lives, but still trying to avoid civilian deaths.

And Russia has focused on surrounding Ukrainian units rather than trying to annihilate them. While still giving them avenues to withdraw, presumably without their weapons.

I think if this coming round of negotiations fail, Russia will switch to trying to establish Novorussia.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

confirmed by who?  Can we get links?

There are pictures of them on twitter. You can easily find them. But it is russian ones for sure.

Buks are very effective.

No links? Then it didn't happen.

I need links and evidence of such.  I agree with Mack8, Twitter has lied multiple of times.  I'll check out southfront.  They got no problem showing Russian losses.

Even people with actual experience compared to you and I also said twitter is trash and better to get actual info.

Edit: Only twitter feed I been watching is ASB and nothing on there either.

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

confirmed by who?  Can we get links?

There are pictures of them on twitter. You can easily find them. But it is russian ones for sure.

Buks are very effective.

No links? Then it didn't happen.

I need links and evidence of such.  I agree with Mack8, Twitter has lied multiple of times.  I'll check out southfront.  They got no problem showing Russian losses.

Even people with actual experience compared to you and I also said twitter is trash and better to get actual info.

Beleive me I know twitter is trash but on those picture there were numbers and the planes were there so they will get serial numbers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1499788116609150977

Russian Media Watchdog to Block Facebook

Earlier, the watchdog issued numerous warnings to the social media platform
over its voluntary decisions to block content, including content created by Russian
media outlets, highlighting the events in Ukraine.

The Russian Service for Supervision of Communications, Roskomnadzor, has announced
that it will start blocking Facebook over its discrimination against Russian media outlets.

Roskomnadzor said that by limiting access to the accounts of the TV channel Zvezda, as
well as the news outlets RIA Novosti, Sputnik, Russia Today, Lenta.ru, and Gazeta.ru, Facebook
violated Russian laws prohibiting censorship. The service said that it had detected 26
cases of censorship by the social media platform since October 2020.

https://sputniknews.com/20220304/russian-media-watchdog-to-block-facebook-1093595842.html

I think it is true to say that the Russians have lagged behind the Empire of Lies when it comes to drones but things have improved significantly over the last couple of years and it's capabilities are maturing rapidly. It is clear that drones are used in this campaign and it's use will increase with every passing day.

Somehow you trolls believe that a conflict is possible without any losses from the attacker - just shows how naive/clueless you guys are or you're just trolling for the sake of trolling.

It shows that russia has spent all its dollars on strategic weapons and heavily neglected its ground army and tactical aviation.

The truth is they invested heavily in modernizing and improving all three those aspects you've mentioned.

rigoletto wrote:Russian Media Watchdog to Block Facebook

Earlier, the watchdog issued numerous warnings to the social media platform
over its voluntary decisions to block content, including content created by Russian
media outlets, highlighting the events in Ukraine.

The Russian Service for Supervision of Communications, Roskomnadzor, has announced
that it will start blocking Facebook over its discrimination against Russian media outlets.

Roskomnadzor said that by limiting access to the accounts of the TV channel Zvezda, as
well as the news outlets RIA Novosti, Sputnik, Russia Today, Lenta.ru, and Gazeta.ru, Facebook
violated Russian laws prohibiting censorship. The service said that it had detected 26
cases of censorship by the social media platform since October 2020.

https://sputniknews.com/20220304/russian-media-watchdog-to-block-facebook-1093595842.html

Since Today everything from Russia is blocked in Germany and most likely in most of EU countries. It is a total warmongering fest here and with not a single voice of reason. Germany joined the war against Russia and I did a great mistake engaging myself in conversations about this conflict with co-workers. There are some traitors navalnist russians who even tho know the russian language and that Putin is not crazy they tell that shit to germans that he just is unreasonable and crazy just for fun. Germans can not see how NATO is a threat to Russia, by their words NATO is not doing or threatening Russia at all. They even said "we can not sit and watch what the russians are doing" So they are not only warmongering and totally for a NATO vs Russia confrontation they are also completely unaware or in disbelief that Germany will get fucking nuked. There will be war between NATO fronthead of useless countries like Germany, Poland, Romania and the vassal bitch that Ukraine is. I have no doubt about exchange of IRBMs.

The only thing that might distract these inbreds is China annexing Taiwan other than that....well good night Germany. Maybe for the better.

Bastards, i can't see TV Zvezda on youtube now. Can still find the main site on google so far.

mack8 wrote:Bastards, i can't see TV Zvezda on youtube now. Can still find the main site on google so far.

Unavailable in Serbia too it seems.

@ Regular

nomadski wrote:
Drones have uses , but they can also be shot down , because they are large and slow , also they are expensive . I was thinking about motorcycle or quad riders , providing a shield to motorised unit of supply convoys . They could ride on flanks of convoy , in a line and sweep ahead of convoys . Range of ATGM , is not long , and ten or so riders on each side of convoy , separated by 100 or 200 meters , will capture in a net , any ATGM nest . Cheaper and safer than helicopters , more practical than drone survey . Once advanced units of armour , taken positions , then supply convoys can have also cage armour . These manufactured en - masse and flown to units to be bolted on .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMCwlcVrpQ

Regular wrote :

Good in desert where visuals can be established quite far, but totally not suited in a country like Ukraine. They would be too easy targets. Best solution here would be drones that can glide and loiter for a long time, not copter-type ones. Russia is already using UAVs, but not on the scale some would expect. I was wondering if Russia will flood Ukraine with Lancet drones, but it seems this hasn't happened.


My answer is that this Javelin needs two man crew and must be above ground to acquire target . Also very noisy and has big Rocket plume . All these make spotting it very easy , especially at night , for someone with night vision goggles . Now convoys can be done at night time . Also the Route chosen is flat one , with less vegetation . The quad can carry a trailer , with soldier looking sideways with scope , armed with machine gun . I think this arrangement effective . In Iran / Iraq war , soldier unable to launch RPG, from behind sand bar , because machine gunner usually took their head off , before they could shoot . Now when javelin launches , it fly in an arc , top attack IR homing . So Quad rider put out flare , like jet fighter ! And they dismount and chase on foot the Rabbit hole !I


Edit : I watch RT on internet , on freeintertv. com site . Maybe you find other TV there !

Why do some people here think that on Day 9 of the operation all mobile AD systems of the enemy should be destroyed? After relentlessly bombing Serbia (a much smaller country) for 78 days the Serbian Army still had roughly half of its AD equipment. And that was older stuff. As they pulled back from Kososvo the Serbs left with more equipment then NATO thought they had there at the beginning of the conflict!

If this were a NATO operation this would be Day 9 of a very long bombing campaign. How long? Well, 78 days for Serbia and 6 month or so for Libya, a large country, but only a few larger cities. I guess NATO would need 180+ days to bomb at least half of the country into rubble.

The Russian Armed Forces wearing velvet gloves in this operation because they want to free most of the hostages (civilian citizens) held by the regime and their Nazi minions.

mack8 wrote:Bastards, i can't see TV Zvezda on youtube now. Can still find the main site on google so far.

Enjoy TV Zvezda content, support Russian business and get Kaspersky VPN.
It's something like 30 dollars per year. Small price for what Russia is doing for all our future.

Large demonstration in Belgrade right now

nomadski wrote:@ Regular

nomadski wrote:
Drones have uses , but they can also be shot down , because they are large and slow , also they are expensive . I was thinking about motorcycle or quad riders , providing a shield to motorised unit of supply convoys . They could ride on flanks of convoy , in a line and sweep ahead of convoys . Range of ATGM , is not long , and ten or so riders on each side of convoy , separated by 100 or 200 meters , will capture in a net , any ATGM nest . Cheaper and safer than helicopters , more practical than drone survey . Once advanced units of armour , taken positions , then supply convoys can have also cage armour . These manufactured en - masse and flown to units to be bolted on .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMCwlcVrpQ

Regular wrote :

Good in desert where visuals can be established quite far, but totally not suited in a country like Ukraine. They would be too easy targets. Best solution here would be drones that can glide and loiter for a long time, not copter-type ones. Russia is already using UAVs, but not on the scale some would expect. I was wondering if Russia will flood Ukraine with Lancet drones, but it seems this hasn't happened.


My answer is that this Javelin needs two man crew and must be above ground to acquire target . Also very noisy and has big Rocket plume . All these make spotting it very easy , especially at night , for someone with night vision goggles . Now convoys can be done at night time . Also the Route chosen is flat one , with less vegetation . The quad can carry a trailer , with soldier looking sideways with scope , armed with machine gun . I think this arrangement effective . In Iran / Iraq war , soldier unable to launch RPG, from behind sand bar , because machine gunner usually took their head off , before they could shoot . Now when javelin launches , it fly in an arc , top attack IR homing . So Quad rider put out flare , like jet fighter ! And they dismount and chase on foot the Rabbit hole !I


Edit : I watch RT on internet , on freeintertv. com site . Maybe you find other TV there !

The javelin has its downsides like the ones you mention, and others that one might not think of at first. The weight of the system is a major drawback, and it also reliance on refrigeration cartriges and battery power to use the system, both will be running low very quickly in a war like this. If you run out of juice or refrigeration you are carrying around a 23 kilogram plastic log. But it still is a very capable system, I have to admit that. Point and shoot and fire and forget with a very high chance of killing anything you can target, and it is very easy to learn how to use. But still it is to expensive for what you get.

mack8 wrote:

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

Again, let's not fall for propaganda.  Until proof showing serial number etc is shown treat such claims with caution. I have seen with my own eyes one Su-25 wreck, with visible RF number. Another one shows number 07, BUT  a bort 07 was lost the other day. So for me confirmed for today is one Su-25 and one possible Mi-8 (because until proof it was VKS, could ukr for all we know, trying to capture the pilot), and one Su-25 yesterday, which by the way, that 07 may or not have been be lost yesterday, remember the MOD admitted in the first day that they lost a Su-25. It may be that just yesterday the ukrs found the wreckage.

So don't believe anything until you can see with your own eyes.

PS: I have seen with my own eyes bort 04, so yes possibly two lost today unfortunately.

Ukraine is claiming to have sunk by now two Russian naval vessels.


Is this true?

Hole wrote:Why do some people here think that on Day 9 of the operation all mobile AD systems of the enemy should be destroyed? After relentlessly bombing Serbia (a much smaller country) for 78 days the Serbian Army still had roughly half of its AD equipment. And that was older stuff. As they pulled back from Kososvo the Serbs left with more equipment then NATO thought they had there at the beginning of the conflict!

If this were a NATO operation this would be Day 9 of a very long bombing campaign. How long? Well, 78 days for Serbia and 6 month or so for Libya, a large country, but only a few larger cities. I guess NATO would need 180+ days to bomb at least half of the country into rubble.

The Russian Armed Forces wearing velvet gloves in this operation because they want to free most of the hostages (civilian citizens) held by the regime and their Nazi minions.

US harassed the AD so they could use their bombers.

Russia isn't using its bombers. And they have cheap drones to hunt the AD. They also have artillery inside Ukraine contrary to the US. Their suicide drones have 30km range which should clean at least the front line of AD systems like buk and Osa. Spot them with the small zala drones and destroy it with suicide drones. That's something they do daily in Syria. They know how to do it. Instead they use them to kill some nazi that are not even a immediate threat hiding in the middle of the city. They also have a shiton of Msta S that can destroy such system if spotted by drones.

JohninMK wrote:

Yugo90 wrote:Why Russian soldiers don't target their barracks ? They could do it. Americans would do it 100 %.

Orders from on high. Lavrov mentions it in interviews as a plus point, Russia not wanting to kill normal Ukie soldiers.

I doubt it applies to some groups

With tactics like that Russia might not win this war.


This leadership is delusional.

Speaks volumes. That footage going around if that were 100% real and accurate to the events USA would be jumping all over it. Instead we have this statement (in bold). As well as previously stated by Ukrainian emergency services that it was "outside" the plant compound and a training building was on fire. Hopefully this clears things up. Especially those pro orc posters


Un-Retweet it ASAP': State Dep't Tells US Embassies Not to Share Tweet Calling 'Nuclear Plant Attack' a 'War Crime' - CNN
The US State Department has sent an urgent message to the American embassies in Europe, calling on them to not share a tweet by the US Embassy in Kiev, which called an "attack" on the Zaporozhskaya NPP a "war crime" earlier in the day, according to the CNN, citing a message it has seen.
“All – do not/not retweet Embassy Kyiv’s tweet on shelling of the facility being a possible war crime. If you have retweeted it – un-retweet it ASAP", the message said.
Earlier in the day, US Undersecretary of Energy for Nuclear Energy Jill Hruby told MSNBC that Washington has not seen evidence that Russia attacked the nuclear reactors at the Zaporozhskaya NPP.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

confirmed by who?  Can we get links?

There are pictures of them on twitter. You can easily find them. But it is russian ones for sure.

Buks are very effective.

You guys were assuring me that all Ukrainian AD systems other than man pads were suppressed or destroyed.

How many operational buks did Ukraine even have.

Why aren't they being jammed?

mack8 wrote:I too have  a suspicion they might be  ukrainian. The small fires seen can hardly damage an armoured vehicle like Tunguska isn't it?

My thinking also, very small fires on areas of the vehicle that won't do any damage. Also if u look at the "Z" it's painted slightly different to rest of Russian vehicles also looks fairly fresh when u look at the Russian ones they look like they were painted months ago. And parking them up like this seems very similar to vehicle graveyards. And if you were going to torch them u wouldn't put fuel on outside but rather open the hatches and Chuck a jerrycan load of fuel inside. This seems very suspicious