Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

Arrow wrote:


Nobody will start World War III in defense of Ukraine.
Could there be a meeting with Putin -Zelensky?

Well if Zelensky is threatening WW3 in the case of talks with him failing

Then I think the solution is obvious - don't hold talks with him in the first place

The conflict is a reflection of Syria

Dnieper is like the Euphrates

There will not be an AL Tanf due to Belarus neither a Kurdistan(nazistan)

The war isn't necessarily being prolonged, but the economic situation benefits Russia and gives time to create new economy

So there won't be a rush

Steady demilitarization and denazification

Putin will visit Ukraine as he did Syria

Sujoy wrote:

flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.

Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.

The failure is as much political and ideological as it is military

Military loses can be tolerated but the abysmal failure of the former two has made the war a lot more bloody than it needed to be. In fact if they were up to scratch, a war might have been avoided.

Lol those who talk about failures have no idea how modern war is fought

Study Syria for you to learn

Russia is not blitzkrieging Ukraine

It's a steady demilitarization with different stages of assault

Kherson operation resembled Palmyra

Donetsk is a Idlib without Turkey

Kiev is Damascus

You can find parallels everywhere in this war and the way Russia conducts it

Russia applies the experience of Douma, Palmyra, Idlib, Damascus, raqqah and all Syria to Ukraine

The main difference is that here Russia struck AL Tanf at Yavoriv and Ochakov

flamming_python wrote:
Above all it's necessary to refrain from any more 'punishing' strikes such as the one against the barracks of the regiment in Nikolayev. Yes those guys were annoying and conducted some artillery strikes, but it's quite horrifying to just level a barracks like that, whose commander was too dumb to deploy his troops to patrols and field positions before beginning combat actions.

Such 'demoralization' attacks are associated with the Nazis from WW2. It's going to horrify a lot of people and wipe out any chance of sympathy, especially since a certain proportion of these servicemen are local.

Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.

The Russians don't need sympathy from Ukraine's servicemen. They need them broken, their morale shaken so they won't commit to fighting Russia. Failing that, dead. Jesus Christ do you really want to lose this war?

Russia is not losing anything, strikes on VSU servicemen are excellent

Let them recycle the body parts of comrades, it occurred again this morning

It will happen everyday until Donetsk and Kiev are sanitized

The same thing happened in Idlib and Douma

Look for the parallels

Khasham, where US marines struck Wagner group, repeated in Yavoriv where US mercenaries were annihilated

It's Syria, textbook work

This is the parallel today, at the commencement of Syrian operation

Assad (LDNR) stood on verge of destruction




After years this was achieved

It could be that Hungary and Poland take some chunks like Turks did

Many parallels

But Russia has learned from Syria and will correct minor mistakes such as Idlib



Russia achieved massive gains quicker here though

miketheterrible wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Sujoy wrote:

flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.

Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.

The failure is as much political and ideological as it is military

Military loses can be tolerated but the abysmal failure of the former two has made the war a lot more bloody than it needed to be. In fact if they were up to scratch, a war might have been avoided.

What failure? You keep speaking of failures but all I see is Ukrainian forces being decimated.

That's the problem

Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids

Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side

The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them, or destroy the Ukraine as a state - is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do, and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.

Flaming you are completely wrong, and present an amateur analysis

Who said MOD wants this to end quickly?

Syria is the best template for this operation

The oil prices sustain large scale employment of kalibr and iskander routinely from 3am to 7am on a daily basis

The war benefits Russia greatly, it's feeding all complexes of the industrial type and agricultural ones

Russia is undergoing an economic boom on top of it

The operation in Ukraine will be long and steady like Syria

Good training ground for hypersonic weapons, and good SEAD training ground

Many lessons were learned!!!

Also from administrative experience in Syria Russia is adept and creating governance structures there

Yes, Sevmash will have its hands full. We will also see how much the construction of surface warships will be accelerated after this conflict. I think that special emphasis will be placed on the frigates of project 22350.

The improved Gorshkov design seems to be enlarged and with more missiles so I suspect it would actually be even better for blue water ops away from Russian waters...

This depict Patriot missiles being transported to Slovakia, so i guess they are willing to transfer their only S-300PS battery to Ukraine i guess.

Easier to destroy in transit within Ukraine than when it is operational... but they have already destroyed lots of S-300 systems already, which is better than HATO did in Kosovo over how long?

Most individuals talking about high Russian casualties do not take into account the fact that Russia is doing so to protect Ukranian citizens. This aside the number of casualties is normal.

Wait for the China-India war to breakout in the near future. Casualties will be in millions.

We will then realize how effective Russia was in keeping casualties to a bare minimum.

This abuse of a so called US ally (Kiev) suggests India and China might wake up and smell the roses and realise that playing games for the US is costly in money and lives and just isn't worth it for the parties involved... except the US...

The next war might be a civil war in the US where the rich and urban people fight the rural people for food... that will be bloody.

Like they're actually preparing to deploy this S-300PS system on the border with the Ukraine and try to use it to enforce a no-fly zone

Any attempt to enforce a no fly zone would lead to the battery being obliterated along with any other batteries nearby... if they try to do that from outside the Ukraine then they are dragging that country into the war and all their military structures and assets are fair game... don't think they will want to do that.

If they move it into the Ukraine... well the existing S-300s didn't create a no fly zone so how could this extra battery do it?

Or if you mean the Patriot... it is even less capable than the S-300 the Ukrainians had and lost already.

They can add disgarded NATO systems to it too, and try to incrementally build-up a no-fly zone

Russia has S-400s in Kaliningrad and Belarus... if they try then they might find no fly zones stretching across their territory which will limit their capacity to fly in weapons for the Orcs too BTW.

Would be a good idea... do it.

At least for AFVs, the heavy losses among even modernized platforms against NATO's top shelf man portable anti-armor weapons comes as a bit of a shock.

The thing is that with ambushes you don't take on the frontal armour and the difference in side armour from the T-72 to T-80 to T-90 etc etc is not enormously massively increased... T-14s wont be invincible... having APS systems will make more difference than having heavier armour.

What did Shariy's Party do?

They did condemn the Russian attack and they supply even western Ukrainians with medicine that is lacking now across the country (mostly insulin), help disabled people who can't leave their house, help with evacuations?
I followed their work for some time and they really involved in humanitarian help.

Kiev will blame all of Ukraines problems on Russia so it is important that Ukrainians suffer as much as possible...

Biden and Johnson are applying the same logic... feed weapons into the conflict to make it worse because focusing on this, both men can pretend their own personal fuckups didn't happen... it is all Putins fault... including the dead in the west of Covid.

so forposts have some aiming pods to use dumb bombs?

Why would it need aiming pods, the bombs are dumb... what they need are ballistics computers... which they have clearly been fitted with.

I'm only affraid Russians will run out of kalibr and iskander missiles...I think Nazis are just asking for moree democracy

They were making them for a war with the west.... they wont be running out any time soon.

Besides they also have Kh-32 and even obsolete anti ship missiles that have been upgraded with land attack capacity they could use like any remaining stocks of Granit or Vulcan, and similar older stocks of land launched anti ship missiles too...

Even then the stock of weapons is enough for ww3

More importantly, the ones they will be using against the west in a potential WWIII wont be conventionally armed anyway.

Time for a smile, this person needs to buy a lottery ticket Laughing Laughing Laughing

Unexpected arrival in Dergachi, Kharkiv region

What is it?

Looks like an artillery rocket... probably a Smerch (300mm calibre).

What a rucking fetard David Frum is... Laughing Laughing he tweets this unbelievable propaganda nonsense just hours before "democratic hero" Zelensky bans all opposition parties!!! Why are Murkan neocons so fcking retarded?

Fravid Dum sounds like a better name for him...

So, i'm curious how's the Slovakian S-300 deal going.. the German apparently deploy Patriot in Slovakia. This could be a sign that they agree to transfer their only S-300PS battery to Ukraine in exchange of Patriot.

To be fair they are German missiles, so the Slovakian missiles likely will remain in Slovakia... the German missiles are just there to help AFAIK.

From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget.

What are you talking about?

All unguided weapons are fire and forget... all rifles and machine guns are fire and forget...

You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.

The image he showed with his comment was a very heavy 266mm calibre aircraft rocket with a laser guidance system added to it... it is essentially a direct fire 150kg HE bomb, which in this case has laser homing... any laser target market could be used for this... carried by armoured vehicle, special forces operator, other aircraft or drone.

They can be angled up at 30-40 degrees and fired at the target area from 10km away as long as something is marking the target as it arrives it can be very accurate.

Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.

Another example is BAE's APKWS

Those western guided rockets cost more than Ataka ATGMs and have less range and payload.

Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids

Yeah, who have spent the last 8 years shelling people they believed were Russian invaders, but were actually Russian speaking Ukrainians... who also have fathers and mothers and sisters and children...

Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side

Totally agree, but that comes down to the actions of the Ukrainian people doesn't it.

The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them, or destroy the Ukraine as a state - is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do, and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.

The US and west could have won hearts and minds by flooding the place with money, and instead they spent 8 years weaponising the country and making their side create an artificial other side to murder.

Russia is just breaking what the west did.

And it might take some time... but it will take as long as it takes.

I wonder how our "academic" upper class and media pundits will deal with the inevitable public cognitive dissonance after all this stuff has been revealed as obvious BS, despite all the censorship in place now

But that is the point... the Russian or Soviet studies departments of universities were closed down decades ago, and that is a big part of the problem...  no one in the west really took the time to actually understand the Russians and work out what they were about... leading to this.

If anything the Russian MOD will take lots of time to get this right because they wont want to have to go in and try to do it again.

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