Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

psg wrote:Also they could have guided S-8L rockets with a mix of unguided frag/thermo in them, using guided S-8L with uav's. Striking nearby targets at standoff ranges, ie atgm teams, snipers, soft skin vechicles, grouped man power etc

When did s-8L get accepted into service?

Russians in Kiev's suburbs.
Hard at work to Denazify

diabetus wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: During the liberation of Mariupol, the Deputy Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Andrei Paly, died in battle.  His death was confirmed by the former Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Vladimir Masorin.

Everlasting memory.

What would he have even been doing there?

Apparently coordinating the evacuation of the civilians from the city.

ALAMO wrote:It is an ARMORED TRUCK.
You can put anything on it's back, including a drag queen scene for a love parade in Paris.

Somehow the Village People with YMCA and In the Navy sprang into my mind

A second try at this, the first was refused a day or so ago.

The Cavell Group
@TCG_CrisisRisks
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Ukraine/Russia: Russian Ministry of Defence reportedly now given Ukraine an ultimatum on Mariupol for its surrender by end of March 21. Offers safe passage to those that surrender.

Chechen forces at work.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/34722

Just in case, Brest has the yellow arrow

This is on top of the 9400 assorted man portable weapons promised by the US.

Gonna be another logistics target or two near the border one suspects.

Victor Z
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Germany announced the shipment of 2,700 missiles to Ukraine for Strela-2 MANPADS from the warehouses of the GDR https://t.me/vicktop55/2093

The main thing from the statement of the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Mikhail Mizintsev. 03/20/2022

Russia opens humanitarian corridors from Mariupol in eastern and western directions from 10:00 Moscow time on March 21

More than 59 thousand people managed to be evacuated from Mariupol to Russia over the past three days

The RF Armed Forces will allow nationalists to leave Mariupol without weapons from 10:00 to 12:00 Moscow time on March 21

About 130,000 civilians and 184 foreign citizens from six countries remain hostages of Ukrainian nationalists in Mariupol

More than 16.4 thousand people were evacuated to Russia from dangerous regions of Ukraine, the DPR and LPR over the past day

From 80 to 235 civilians die in Mariupol every day

A humanitarian catastrophe has developed in Mariupol as a result of lawlessness arranged by Ukrainian nationalists

The Russian Armed Forces call on Ukrainian nationalists to lay down their arms and leave Mariupol for areas controlled by Kiev, guaranteeing their lives

Victor, vicktop55 Z

Sorry just noticed it was posted already...

NOTE: cue the green buses

Belarus moving to Lvov would need to be supported by the VKS, then again that's probably why su35 is there

Also s400 protecting them

11th army corps at kaliningrad must be ready, and the baltic fleet , also the 76th pskov division , must be reinforced

There could be a NATO escalation

The 1st Guards Tank Army must guard Belarus

The 6th army should be ready for prebaltics

Russians have taken over an Nazi facility around Mariupol.
It was an former school building.

Ukrainian elites are leaving the sinking ship... Some Rada deputy, Kotkvitsky (Arsen Avakov's "right hand man" and one of the upstanding Ukrainian anti-Russian patriots that legalized all the neo-Nazi militias, both under Russian sanctions) was caught trying to smuggle 28 million USD (!) and 1.3 million euros (!) in cash (!) across the border to Hungary.

Yeah, that Maidan thing really rooted out the corruption, didn't it?

I honestly feel really, really sorry for the average Ukrainian. They've been screwed over constantly for decades by their own and by the west.

Isos wrote:Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

It's a frontline system. It's about time u learnt something about military systems. You clearly have never served in the force's.

This is a cheap mini BM-21 that can use a variety of S-8. Where do u want to stop? TOS-1 is shitty because it doesn't have the same range as iskander??????? Ur lack of knowledge and on the ground experience is showing. Tell me what weapons system design team are u on? Oh yeah none. Belarusian research and development team have bags more experience than u have.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Isos wrote:Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

It's a frontline system. It's about time u learnt something about military systems. You clearly have never served in the force's

Tos-1 is a frontline systems and tos-2 was designed with an improved range eventhough it has more rabge than those 3-5km.

Such things were good decades ago when athg weren't everywhere. Grads is way better than this thing. Accuracy and targeting must also be shitty.

Isos wrote:Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

The very "short" range of the S-8 NURs (Neupravljaemaja Raketa) was designed with a fast burning propellant.
This decision was made to reduce the trail from the rocket to a very short distance after launch.
When the unguided rockets hit the enemy's targets a few kilometers away, they won't have a clear trail from the incoming rockets and no direct conclusion of the direction the attack is coming from - reducing the response time for the enemy against your helicopter/jet.

The Hydra 70 unguided rockets have a constant burning engine which is giving away the direction they were launched from (at least in most weather conditions)

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:But missiles are always more expensive than bombs. So a su-34armed with 10 bomb is cheaper than 10 cruise missiles. However they still haven't destroyed ukrinian AD so unlikely they use them for deep strikes.

That's why the U.S came up with guided rockets like the BAE PKWS among others that are Fire and Forget precision rockets and can be fired from stand off range.

Russia could never come up with such precision guided rockets.

It is called "Ugroza" which was a programm for upgrading unguided rockets to be guided just like PKWS and is used on S-13 rockets within military service.

https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2019/12/22/2994/

Also S-25L (1979) and S-25LD (1984) existed since the Soviet Union. If this is some internet trick 19 to post wrong information so someone on the internet corrects you, then I assume your method is working, if it is trolling, well it is hard to troll people on this forum. Even tho nobody is a genius but most have some or another interest in military or political matters and they tend to do their homework by researching themselves and feeding their hunger for knowledge.

RTN wrote:

Mir wrote:This guided rocket dates from the late Soviet era >>

From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget. You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.

Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.

Another example is BAE's APKWS

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws

What you are comparing is PKWS/APKWS is the already existing equivalent that is called Ugroza, which is used on С-5Кор (57mm), С-8Кор (80mm) анд С-13Кор (122mm).

https://missilery.info/missile/ugroza?ysclid=l0zrj4vjju

However, S-5Kor wasn't used in military and the S-8Kor is now used as a basis for the S-8L program which it was used for. The S-13Kor is in service and who the hell knows how many exist or if it was used in the Ukraine. There is however the S-24 Version which exists in unguided and guided version. I would bet that there is only guided version around now, since unguided it would be quite a waste to fire such a missile and not hit it's target.

I tend to believe that "fire and forget" is some magical ability when hearing to western posters regarding missiles. Guess what "unguided rockets" with guidance kits are all fire and forget even Ugroza equipped rockets. I would recommend to you either the american or the soviet and russian handbooks for heli-borne engagements, since both focus their attack pattern for specific weapons not to "bank away" right after launch.

Werewolf wrote:

Isos wrote:Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

The very "short" range of the S-8 NURs (Neupravljaemaja Raketa) was designed with a fast burning propellant.
This decision was made to reduce the trail from the rocket to a very short distance after launch.
When the unguided rockets hit the enemy's targets a few kilometers away, they won't have a clear trail from the incoming rockets and no direct conclusion of the direction the attack is coming from - reducing the response time for the enemy against your helicopter/jet.

The Hydra 70 unguided rockets have a constant burning engine which is giving away the direction they were launched from (at least in most weather conditions)

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:But missiles are always more expensive than bombs. So a su-34armed with 10 bomb is cheaper than 10 cruise missiles. However they still haven't destroyed ukrinian AD so unlikely they use them for deep strikes.

That's why the U.S came up with guided rockets like the BAE PKWS among others that are Fire and Forget precision rockets and can be fired from stand off range.

Russia could never come up with such precision guided rockets.

It is called "Ugroza" which was a programm for upgrading unguided rockets to be guided just like PKWS and is used on S-13 rockets within military service.

https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2019/12/22/2994/

Also S-25L (1979) and S-25LD (1984) existed since the Soviet Union. If this is some internet trick 19 to post wrong information so someone on the internet corrects you, then I assume your method is working, if it is trolling, well it is hard to troll people on this forum. Even tho nobody is a genius but most have some or another interest in military or political matters and they tend to do their homework by researching themselves and feeding their hunger for knowledge.

RTN wrote:

Mir wrote:This guided rocket dates from the late Soviet era >>

From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget. You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.

Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.

Another example is BAE's APKWS

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws

What you are comparing is PKWS/APKWS is the already existing equivalent that is called Ugroza, which is used on С-5Кор (57mm), С-8Кор (80mm) анд С-13Кор (122mm).

https://missilery.info/missile/ugroza?ysclid=l0zrj4vjju

However, S-5Kor wasn't used in military and the S-8Kor is now used as a basis for the S-8L program which it was used for. The S-13Kor is in service and who the hell knows how many exist or if it was used in the Ukraine. There is however the S-24 Version which exists in unguided and guided version. I would bet that there is only guided version around now, since unguided it would be quite a waste to fire such a missile and not hit it's target.

I tend to believe that "fire and forget" is some magical ability when hearing to western posters regarding missiles. Guess what "unguided rockets" with guidance kits are all fire and forget even Ugroza equipped rockets. I would recommend to you either the american or the soviet and russian handbooks for heli-borne engagements, since both focus their attack pattern for specific weapons not to "bank away" right after launch.

There's no indication any of the Kor rockets were ever accepted into service.

Isos wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

Isos wrote:Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

It's a frontline system. It's about time u learnt something about military systems. You clearly have never served in the force's

Tos-1 is a frontline systems and tos-2 was designed with an improved range eventhough it has more rabge than those 3-5km.

Such things were good decades ago when athg weren't everywhere. Grads is way better than this thing. Accuracy and targeting must also be shitty.

U still do t get it.

This is also a frontline system. And just as accurate as Grad. It has shorter range but double the capacity. And us designed as an immediate response to troops dug in. Ur lack of experience shows greatly. Tell me have u ever served??????? I guess not.

This system in your eyes is sooooo shitty that Azerbaijan also developed their own version. The best u can learn is the different types of munitions, different types of fire support and what it's like to be on the ground as an infantryman maybe u should join Ukrainian foreign legion aka minced beef legion