Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9
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billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know how accurate this map is? If so, what is Russia's strategy here?
As soon as you see "Putin's war" in the upper left corner, you have to know how "accurate" it is ...
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retake Kherson. They tried to assemble their forces to the south of Nikolaev and got obliterated. The claims of Russian control
of certain areas overlapping the yellow were never established as being real.
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billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know how accurate this map is? If so, what is Russia's strategy here?
1. Kill my tax dollar funded nazis, yeah they could do something about America's healthcare system, saving social security, building infrastructure but Jodolph Bidler would rather fund fascists in the Donbass,
2. Continue to tie down Ukrainian wehrmacht forces around Kiev and Nikolayevsk and lure out Volksturm and wehrmacht regulars in the Kiev and Nikolayevsk regions and keep them bogged down with local and fairly insignificant local counterstrikes and bomb them back to their Hitlerite ancestors
3. Regain the operational initiative and maskirovka aka military deception.
BTW, I read in the Washington Post and Angriff and saw a report on MSNGoebbels that 130,000 are being called up in Russia. Are these raw conscripts as Putin throws in the last of his manpower or are these, as I strongly suspect, reservists being activated to carry out occupation duties and protect supply lines? Chuck Todd and Rachel Madcow were too busy sing the Horst Wessel Lied to be bothered with accuracy.
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The number is not any sort of outlier compared to previous years. Once again we have nothing but delusional propaganda
from the NATzO MSM.
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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Check the likes and retweets etc, holy shit.
Russians are seeing streetlights and asphalt for the first time, eating dogs, raping underage girls, stealing make-up, and admit to all of this in perfectly normal telephone conversations with friends and family, who casually reply "well, that's natural, we're Russians after all"...
Reminds me of the outrageously over the top "barbaric hordes from the east" propaganda from another well-known conflict.
Yea sure. As a russian this is just funny. "Stole make up for you..."
Have you guys ever dated a russian girl? She can be from the deepest of Siberia and has still seen more beauty stuff than any european women. Russia is the center of beauty products in the world. If somewhere is a a new fashion for new lips, eyebrows, lashes or shit like that it is in Russia. Women in the west look like fucking broomsticks compared to russian women from Kolkhoz behind the Ural.
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kvs wrote:SmoothieX12 covers the conscript issue. It is total BS. Russia calls up reservists in April and October every f*cking year.
The number is not any sort of outlier compared to previous years. Once again we have nothing but delusional propaganda
from the NATzO MSM.
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JohninMK wrote:
Here is some of what Kyiv is asking for (there are 17 items on the list):
- reconnaissance and strike drones, including Switchblade "kamikaze drones";
- tactical radars;
– electronic warfare systems against drones;
- artillery systems;
- anti-aircraft missile systems;
- Javelin anti-tank missiles;
- anti-ship missiles;
– optical surveillance equipment;
- close air support aircraft.
The list also includes a request for assistance in treating wounded soldiers, repairing armored vehicles in neighboring countries, and aircraft to help transport weapons.
Moreover, the wish-list includes combat aircraft, in particular, Soviet/Russian-made Su-25 attack aircraft.
Ukro orcs just placed advert on FB:
WANTED: One complete functional Army & Air Force c/w all vehicles, personnel, ordnance, consumables, maintenance spares, and logistical support. Payment will be made in Hryvnia, schedule TBA.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia will not attack the convoys remember they aren't trying to kill the Ukie army.
This means for most part Ukraine can move troops around without them being attacked
Completely wrong as you are on all accounts
The attacks on 79th brigade show what Russia will do to those convoys
Turn them into sprinkled body parts
Thats pretty cute of you to say considering all the BS you have poured out.
Ukraine has been freely moving its troops around this will not change anything has Putin gave specific orders and they will follow those orders.
Fanboys being fanboys
So u have it on Putin's authority not to attack Ukrainian troop convoys Ur source?????? After day 3 the gloves came off..
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Edit: More info. It looks like the helicopter was used previously in Africa so there was foreign stuff found inside it.
On March 31, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down (https://t.me/rybar/30116), which evacuated the top management of Azov and the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Mariupol Azovstal. One Mi-8 was destroyed (https://t.me/nm_dnr/7347) from a captured Stinger MANPADS.
Journalists have already been allowed to the wreckage of one of the sides. There are also survivors. But the statement (https://t.me/SolovievLive/97808) about the elimination of the deputy commander of the Azov regiment and the actual head of the defense of Mariupol with the call sign Kalina has not yet been confirmed (https://t.me/panteri_panteri/17763).
Many of the bodies show signs of medical treatment prior to transport.
Found at the crash site:
a set of German armor plates SK 4 Keramikplatte Mehler;
The chevrons of Tanzania, Morocco and South Africa attached to the Ukrainian flag are evidence that the crew or the downed helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force previously participated in UN peacekeeping missions.
One of the photos has a sleeve insignia of the 16th Army Aviation Brigade, which took part in 21 peacekeeping missions.
According to the testimony (https://t.me/ukr_leaks/2189) of one of the survivors, there were 4 helicopters in total in the group.
#Mariupol #Russia #Ukraine
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JohninMK wrote:Did wonder if they had allowed them to do the pickup. Seems there were more helicopters, wonder where the other 3 are?.
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Two Ukrainian helicopters shot down near Mariupol. Apparently they were allowed to land and then shot down after taking off. ~14 dead, two survivors, one of them an Azov veteran, the other an intelligence officer.
More for the grinder
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The General Staff is transferring 15,000 troops from near Kyiv to the Dnieper to reinforce the eastern front. The special forces of the AFU and SSU were sent to Donbas yesterday.
So its ~50.000 in Donbass, 40.000 were moved to dnepr + another 15000.
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#UKRAINE—#UA General Staff has started the transfer of 15k troops from the #Kiev theatre of the conflict to #Dnepropetrovsk—for the reinforcement of the Eastern Front. Special forces of the UA army and #SBU (Secret Police) were sent yesterday to #Donbass. Prelude to final battle.
Now what would be funny if this was another ploy by Russia, make out Donbass is next target and easing of Kiev attacks, knowing Ukraine will send forces to Donbass, then once there Russia resumes attacks in Kiev Or is it a ploy to then target convoys on the move even funnier. More dead ukrops would be nothing more demoralising for Donbass based Ukrainian forces if your reinforcements get plastered over road before they get there or they have to turn back towards Kiev. Russia seems to be playing this fairly well. If this phase two goes to plan and 60k Ukrainian forces give up and/or be killed I can't see how Ukraine can continue. There will be a large retreat that Ukraine and western media can't hide and it won't matter how hard they try to spin it, it will be seen as a defeat in the donbass.
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JohninMK wrote:par far wrote:
What people don't understand is that is a war on many fronts and that includes the economic front as well, it is all related.
As the main objector here I hope that it is not me that you are accusing of not understanding that wars have many fronts.
My position is that this operation in Ukraine and the events it spawned is a large enough subject to allow more than one thread on it and this forum is structured in a way that encourages it.
Indeed that is what happened, we have a military thread and an economic thread. If used properly it allows a viewer to just concentrate on one of the aspects and not get bogged down in posts that are not relevant to their search but may be relevant to the war as a whole. Both now and later they are totally different animals.
The situation is a bit worse than that in that interesting economic posts may be put in the military thread and then missed by someone searching the economic thread. The reverse is unlikely to happen as it is bad enough already, given the volume of posts, for those of us actually interested in the military to catch up if we miss say more than 12 hours.
Posting all in one thread is the lazy, easy way out but modern life is like that, social media especially, where what happened, sometimes only moments ago is gone, history and often near impossible to find later.
Whilst using a bit more effort to get a better, cleaner result that will stand the test of potentially being referred to over time is old fashioned so shunned.
If you want your posts to count please put them in the appropriate thread.
But you are OK in posting Drive articles that are clearly bullshit with no evidence of the claims?
Great.
I seem to remember you were objecting to me making such demands in the past especially on spreading FUD.
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d_taddei2 wrote:
Now what would be funny if this was another ploy by Russia, make out Donbass is next target and easing of Kiev attacks, knowing Ukraine will send forces to Donbass, then once there Russia resumes attacks in Kiev Or is it a ploy to then target convoys on the move even funnier. More dead ukrops would be nothing more demoralising for Donbass based Ukrainian forces if your reinforcements get plastered over road before they get there or they have to turn back towards Kiev. Russia seems to be playing this fairly well. If this phase two goes to plan and 60k Ukrainian forces give up and/or be killed I can't see how Ukraine can continue. There will be a large retreat that Ukraine and western media can't hide and it won't matter how hard they try to spin it, it will be seen as a defeat in the donbass.
That's what you think. I think the war in Ukraine is going quite badly for NATO's proxies. My clue? Will Smith smacking Chris Rock at the Oscars was front page news. When the war is going badly for our proxies the celebs take the front page. Oh and "Putin's Price Increase" aka the inflation that is soon to ravage America's poor is there as well. Bidet continues to make a toilet of a once decent nation.
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In closed foreign chats of PMCs they write that a group of American and British military advisers of the Defense Command of Ukraine, as well as several British officers-advisers of the SBU are in the besieged "Azovstal" along with the Nazi battalion "Azov", which did not have time to leave the city in time.
An attempt to involve French President Macron in their evacuation with the initiative to take out all the encircled "Azov" troops by sea on boats was not crowned with success due to Moscow's refusal to negotiate. Now attempts are being made to evacuate them urgently (two attempts to use helicopters and both unsuccessful).
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Backman wrote:Wargonzo says the helicopter was bound for a foreign military or had foreign military in it ? I dunno. Click on the tweet for the translation.
Edit: More info. It looks like the helicopter was used previously in Africa so there was foreign stuff found inside it.
On March 31, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down (https://t.me/rybar/30116), which evacuated the top management of Azov and the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Mariupol Azovstal. One Mi-8 was destroyed (https://t.me/nm_dnr/7347) from a captured Stinger MANPADS.
Journalists have already been allowed to the wreckage of one of the sides. There are also survivors. But the statement (https://t.me/SolovievLive/97808) about the elimination of the deputy commander of the Azov regiment and the actual head of the defense of Mariupol with the call sign Kalina has not yet been confirmed (https://t.me/panteri_panteri/17763).
Many of the bodies show signs of medical treatment prior to transport.
Found at the crash site:
a set of German armor plates SK 4 Keramikplatte Mehler;
The chevrons of Tanzania, Morocco and South Africa attached to the Ukrainian flag are evidence that the crew or the downed helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force previously participated in UN peacekeeping missions.
One of the photos has a sleeve insignia of the 16th Army Aviation Brigade, which took part in 21 peacekeeping missions.
According to the testimony (https://t.me/ukr_leaks/2189) of one of the survivors, there were 4 helicopters in total in the group.
#Mariupol #Russia #Ukraine
Who or what was in the other two helicopters and where are they?
Such an operation is extremely risky and just to justify if the result is worth it.
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miketheterrible wrote:JohninMK wrote:par far wrote:
What people don't understand is that is a war on many fronts and that includes the economic front as well, it is all related.
As the main objector here I hope that it is not me that you are accusing of not understanding that wars have many fronts.
My position is that this operation in Ukraine and the events it spawned is a large enough subject to allow more than one thread on it and this forum is structured in a way that encourages it.
Indeed that is what happened, we have a military thread and an economic thread. If used properly it allows a viewer to just concentrate on one of the aspects and not get bogged down in posts that are not relevant to their search but may be relevant to the war as a whole. Both now and later they are totally different animals.
The situation is a bit worse than that in that interesting economic posts may be put in the military thread and then missed by someone searching the economic thread. The reverse is unlikely to happen as it is bad enough already, given the volume of posts, for those of us actually interested in the military to catch up if we miss say more than 12 hours.
Posting all in one thread is the lazy, easy way out but modern life is like that, social media especially, where what happened, sometimes only moments ago is gone, history and often near impossible to find later.
Whilst using a bit more effort to get a better, cleaner result that will stand the test of potentially being referred to over time is old fashioned so shunned.
If you want your posts to count please put them in the appropriate thread.
But you are OK in posting Drive articles that are clearly bullshit with no evidence of the claims?
Great.
I seem to remember you were objecting to me making such demands in the past especially on spreading FUD.
Oh that's cute coming from you.....all the BS you claim with no evidence lol.
John posts articles about the topic which is allowed unlike you who just makes shit up and wants people banned who don't agree with you oh and lets not forget your "All Ukies are Nazi's" comment
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1) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the situation in the south and the Donbas region remained extremely difficult and reiterated that Russia was building up forces near the besieged city of Mariupol
2) Armenia hosted military attaches of the EU and NATO member states at the Gyumri Air Base to prove that its 4 Sukhoi Su-30SM fighter jets remained in place and weren't send to aid Russia in Ukraine
3) President Biden says there's "no clear evidence" that President Putin is pulling all of his forces out of Kyiv and says he is adding forces in Donbas
(MEAN WHILE IN UKRAINE)
Ukrainian Ground Forces Command claim they've counted "almost 700 units of equipment withdrawing towards Ivankov, towards the Belarusian border
(BIDEN IS A CERTIFIED CLOWN)
4) Russian troops signed a document "handing guard of Chornobyl NPP to personnel of NPP". State Agency of Ukraine for Exclusion Zone Management: At the moment, there are no outsiders on the site of the Chernobyl NPP
5) Britain and its allies have agreed to send air and coastal defence systems, longer-range artillery and counter battery capabilities, armoured vehicles as well as provide wider training and logistical support to Ukraine, British defence minister Ben Wallace said
6) No indications at this time that they (Russians) are preparing to use" tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine - according to senior US defense official
(BIDEN STILL PEDDLING NONSENSE)
7) A lot of Russian military equipment enters the Luhansk region, - says the head of the Luhansk regional administration Serhiy Haidai
8 ) Russians being blamed on blowing up the dam, you know that dam that was blown up to hamper Russian troops yeah the Russians did that to hamper themselves. What a crock of sh*t the western media are spouting. This has went from ridiculous to comical to now being completely dumb.
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ucmvulcan wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:
Now what would be funny if this was another ploy by Russia, make out Donbass is next target and easing of Kiev attacks, knowing Ukraine will send forces to Donbass, then once there Russia resumes attacks in Kiev Or is it a ploy to then target convoys on the move even funnier. More dead ukrops would be nothing more demoralising for Donbass based Ukrainian forces if your reinforcements get plastered over road before they get there or they have to turn back towards Kiev. Russia seems to be playing this fairly well. If this phase two goes to plan and 60k Ukrainian forces give up and/or be killed I can't see how Ukraine can continue. There will be a large retreat that Ukraine and western media can't hide and it won't matter how hard they try to spin it, it will be seen as a defeat in the donbass.
That's what you think. I think the war in Ukraine is going quite badly for NATO's proxies. My clue? Will Smith smacking Chris Rock at the Oscars was front page news. When the war is going badly for our proxies the celebs take the front page. Oh and "Putin's Price Increase" aka the inflation that is soon to ravage America's poor is there as well. Bidet continues to make a toilet of a once decent nation.
When 60k Ukrainian forces are fleeing from the Donbass it will be a clear defeat in the Donbass. But the west will hope that by saying that the Ukrainian forces deserve rest and recuperation and they are heading home to do such, hmmmmmm yeah ok, anyone with half a brain cell will know what's really happening. As for Biden he's too busy reading Q and A cards to even be aware what day of the week it is.
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d_taddei2 wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia will not attack the convoys remember they aren't trying to kill the Ukie army.
This means for most part Ukraine can move troops around without them being attacked
Completely wrong as you are on all accounts
The attacks on 79th brigade show what Russia will do to those convoys
Turn them into sprinkled body parts
Thats pretty cute of you to say considering all the BS you have poured out.
Ukraine has been freely moving its troops around this will not change anything has Putin gave specific orders and they will follow those orders.
Fanboys being fanboys
So u have it on Putin's authority not to attack Ukrainian troop convoys Ur source?????? After day 3 the gloves came off..
And you just lied, gloves did not come off.
Russian army is still adhering to putins rules.
For example. Russian officer stating civilian areas can't be touched
https://southfront.org/exclusive-russian-officer-on-situation-near-energodar-as-it-is/
But you can wait a few days and when there is no attacked ukie convoys you can see for yourself
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Lurk83 wrote:@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport. Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd
This is what I don't understand, what's with the retreating as of late? I don't think there's a good reason for it and anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
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billybatts91 wrote:Lurk83 wrote:@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport. Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd
This is what I don't understand, what's with the retreating as of late? I don't think there's a good reason for it and anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
reasons are simple, Putin is refusing to do a large scale mobilization which is needed and because of that russian forces are undermanned and out numbered, so they cannot hold large areas.
So it makes tactical sense to consolidate and shorten their lines
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billybatts91 wrote:Lurk83 wrote:@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport. Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd
This is what I don't understand, what's with the retreating as of late? I don't think there's a good reason for it and anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
This is the problem with armchair generals. You don't recognize your own limitations of understanding what is actually going on.
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ucmvulcan wrote:
BTW, I read in the Washington Post and Angriff and saw a report on MSNGoebbels that 130,000 are being called up in Russia. Are these raw conscripts as Putin throws in the last of his manpower or are these, as I strongly suspect, reservists being activated to carry out occupation duties and protect supply lines? Chuck Todd and Rachel Madcow were too busy sing the Horst Wessel Lied to be bothered with accuracy.
Conscription in the Russian military occurs twice a year, April and October. And over 130,000 troops are conscripted during each draft which takes about 4 months to complete.
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