Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9

billybatts91 wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport.  Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd

This is what I don't understand, what's with the retreating as of late? I don't think there's a good reason for it and anyone saying otherwise is full of it.

Do you read the posts here? This has been explained in detail more then once. So please review the thread for knowledge or don't and remain ignorant. Your call...

you guys are funny, its not fake ! THIS IS TRUE about raping minors and east dogs. Stealing makeup sets or seeing asphalt for the very first time.
All is true, all documented.

However with one exception they were not Russian  but  Ukrainian soldiers

GunshipDemocracy wrote:you guys are funny, its not fake ! THIS IS TRUE about raping minors and east dogs. Stealing makeup sets or seeing asphalt for the very first time.
All is true, all documented.

However  with one exception they were not Russian  but  Ukrainian soldiers

Links to sources please.

There are no Ukrainian supply convoys, there's no evidence of them, in fact whenever they are seen, it's usually on a clip of Russian drones annihilating them

And seig, noone has surpassed the bullshit you posted of you being a navy seal

You are a clown, and John with his TheDrive articles and wanting to block pro russian articles to keep his thread in line is leaning that way too

You guys can go to f16.net if you like but Garry has already said economic news will be posted here

All of you belong on hohol.net

billybatts91 wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport.  Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd

This is what I don't understand, what's with the retreating as of late? I don't think there's a good reason for it and anyone saying otherwise is full of it.

The goal is to bleed the Ukrainians. Russia began the war with a quick, deep rush to put pressure on Zel's government and see if they would fold. They didn't. So, now Russia has its forces spread far throughout the country, and they are significantly outnumbered by the Ukrainians. That is often a dangerous situation.

How do you turn this into an advantage? You move faster than they do/can. You blow up fuel storage all across the country so that your enemy cannot quickly move men, weapons, food, and ammo across distances, and while you retain the ability to do so. You stay highly mechanized. Now you can concentrate for decisive engagements. And, although the Ukrainians can still launch attacks with their superior numbers, they lack the ability to do so quick enough to gain a decisive victory. And nor can they sustain their attacks.

Ukraine's showing both in Kherson and Kiev show that. They've sacrificed a lot of men, gained some meager ground, and really haven't accomplished anything. They've even often had to end their attack in a pull back. They can't truly threaten the depleted forces Russia has left there. And the Ukrainian soldiers you destroy on the march (which is fairly easy to do when the army walks) won't be around to cause trouble when the Russian army does resume its gambit for Kiev, Chernihiv, Mykoliav, etc.

Wrong, there was never an expectation that zelensky would just leave

What kind of a moron bases a military operation on a subjective assumption like that one, that a figurehead will leave and it will decide the war, Ukraine is run by the US, zelensky has no say or input to anything there

This isn't fucking pinball

The operations near Kiev and Nikolayev were feint attacks, screens which drew the Ukrainians reserves to the farthest edges of the front

Russia attacked from Belarus and Crimea, as staging points to lock Ukrainian defenders down in those respective zones

You cannot cross the Dnieper from Kherson,  it must be done at Zaporizhia or Krivoy Rog

There's not enough room for maneuver in the lower bug of the Dnieper

As well in Kiev, taking the city would fulfill a political objective

But it was more pressing to fix the main VSU forces in donetsk numbering 60,000+ down in Donetsk

Mariupol was attacked as the attack in the south was successful, and a supply line benefits the army down there

The objective of phase 1 were met, fragment the Ukrainian army into 3 distinct and isolated groupings, hit and sever their supply lines, keep them bogged down as each grouping is eliminated one by one

That's how it proceeds

In an operation defined by conquest, the territory shapes the battle

In an operation designed to assault and destroy the enemy, you pick where and when to destroy them

The battle is not shaped by political objectives, as much as geographical realities , ie where is the best place to fight them

A feint attack is designed to draw defensive action towards the point under assault. It is usually used as a diversion to force the enemy to concentrate more manpower in a given area, to weaken the opposing force in another area. Unlike a related diversionary maneuver, the demonstration, a feint involves actual contact with the enemy.

Retreats

A feint retreat is performed by briefly engaging the enemy, then retreating. It is intended to draw the enemy pursuit into a prepared ambush, or to cause disarray. For example, the Battle of Hastings was lost when Saxons pursued the Norman cavalry. This forfeited the advantage of height and the line was broken, providing the opportunity to fight in single handed combat on a neutral vantage point, a battle for which the Saxons were not ready. The Parthian shot is another example of a feint retreat, where mounted Parthian archers would retreat from a battle and then, while still riding, turn their bodies back to shoot at the pursuing enemy.

Basic military wiki for imbeciles on here

In an operation defined by conquest, the territory shapes the battle

In an operation designed to assault and destroy the enemy, you pick where and when to destroy them

The battle is not shaped by political objectives, as much as geographical realities , ie where is the best place to fight them

And that's what I said. (I don't think geography is the deciding factor though - just one among many)

And of course the Russian government didn't launch the op on the assumption that Zel's government would high tail it on out of Kiev, Afghan style. But they most definitely did take a shot at it - even suggesting the Ukrainian army should seize power. Can't blame them. Never had much chance of success but would have been highly rewarding. And little to lose.

Arkanghelsk wrote:There are no Ukrainian supply convoys, there's no evidence of them, in fact whenever they are seen, it's usually on a clip of Russian drones annihilating them

And seig, noone has surpassed the bullshit you posted of you being a navy seal

You are a clown, and John with his TheDrive articles and wanting to block pro russian articles to keep his thread in line is leaning that way too

You guys can go to f16.net if you like but Garry has already said economic news will be posted here

All of you belong on hohol.net

Okay then show me proof of Russia attacking the convoys.

Some random truck on a highway isn't proof btw.

More than half the BS you post is factual wrong as is and its all easily confirmed or you take stuff out of context and spin into a positive light.

Arkanghelsk wrote:A feint attack is designed to draw defensive action towards the point under assault. It is usually used as a diversion to force the enemy to concentrate more manpower in a given area, to weaken the opposing force in another area. Unlike a related diversionary maneuver, the demonstration, a feint involves actual contact with the enemy.

Retreats

A feint retreat is performed by briefly engaging the enemy, then retreating. It is intended to draw the enemy pursuit into a prepared ambush, or to cause disarray. For example, the Battle of Hastings was lost when Saxons pursued the Norman cavalry. This forfeited the advantage of height and the line was broken, providing the opportunity to fight in single handed combat on a neutral vantage point, a battle for which the Saxons were not ready. The Parthian shot is another example of a feint retreat, where mounted Parthian archers would retreat from a battle and then, while still riding, turn their bodies back to shoot at the pursuing enemy.

Basic military wiki for imbeciles on here

You can read all the textbooks you want, this is no feint it is a redeployment of forces because the russians realized they didn't have the manpower to focus on all these fronts at once and scaled down which was the right move

In this case Russia is completely withdrawing troops from that area and moving them to another front, this is not a feint not is it by definition a fient.

Ukraine is keeping the same troop parody numbers as before to block the russians near Keiv.

Etc say there is 4k Russians and 16k Ukies ( a 1 to 4 ratio). The Russians withdraw 2k and move them to the eastern front The Ukies then mirrior moving 8k to that same front. its still a 1 to 4 ratio.

All you are doing here is trying to spin BS pure and simple

No, because the Ukrainian forces cannot reposition , they were drawn into Kiev and were wore down for 20+ days which is actually the definition of a feint

They were engaged in Kiev and lost all of their supporting assets,vehicles, reserves and so on

So no Kievan convoys will be moving to Donbass, just as they cannot retake Irpen or Brovary

And same with Nikolayev

And no Russia is not COMPLETELY withdrawing troops from either Kiev or Nikolayev, but remains there in a defensive holding position while phase 2 proceeds

The only one spinning here is you, a stolen valor faggot and your military leadership which could not hold on to bagram and they want to comment on Kiev

in fact the American British anglos lost in Fallujah, Bagram, Libya, Syria, and the list goes on and on

Russia has much more successful military operations than the NATO forces,

Any Ukrainian unit could be substituted with a guccified NATO unit and replace them

Ukrainians and Polish served in OIF and were with the British the largest contingents in OIF

So this is a disaster for NATO

Arkanghelsk wrote:No, because the Ukrainian forces cannot reposition , they were drawn into Kiev and were wore down for 20+ days which is actually the definition of a feint

They were engaged in Kiev and lost all of their supporting assets,vehicles, reserves and so on

So no Kievan convoys will be moving to Donbass, just as they cannot retake Irpen or Brovary

And same with Nikolayev

And no Russia is not COMPLETELY withdrawing troops from either Kiev or Nikolayev, but remains there in a defensive holding position while phase 2 proceeds

The only one spinning here is you, a stolen valor faggot and your military leadership which could not hold on to bagram and they want to comment on Kiev

Okay multiple lies here.

1. Ukraine has not lost all its reserves

2. They have not lost all supporting assets and vehicles.

3. That is not the definition of a feint and most Ukie losses where on the east very little of the ground losses were near Keiv

4. Keiv Convoys will be moving to Donbass you'll see soon enough.

5. Oh I did type completely, that one is on me put that there by mistake. I said beforehand they are scaling down and they are.

Lol your entire post was a lie (minus that one typo I made) and you called me a faggot, what a real POS you are. But that's how people like you are, second, your BS gets called you resort to lies and insults just tells me how full of shit you are

BTW CLOWN, I want that proof Russia was attacking convoys, you claimed they did and are so SHOW IT.

1. Ukraine has no ability to send reserves anywhere

Mariupol is clear indication of this, if they were convoys would have gone to Mariupol and done what you said

But they have not, they sent 3 helos and lost the while crew which burned into crisps

So no convoys will be riding to Donetsk, if they do they will end like their azovstal compatriots

2. All supporting assets were destroyed early on, cruise missiles destroyed VSU barracks, supplies, armor, trucks, Fuel, you name it

The VSU is an entrenched insurgency with no ability to maneuver

3. The vast majority of Ukrainian losses have occurred in dispersed areas around Ukraine, if cruise missile attacks wasted 200 men at Yavoriv if not more, the level of destruction was equal everywhere, flaming pythons tears are still wet from the day that 79th brigades barracks were turned into human confetti, suffice to say, the destruction of the VSU has been thorough

Yes the feint was successful, Odessa has over 6 brigades and not one of them has moved since Day Z, which is because of the successful movement of Black Sea Fleet , the same goes for Kievan brigades which are loose bandit formations like azov now

4. I reiterate , Ukrainian convoys are non existent, they are moving in sedans and vans now

If there were such convoys, the Donetsk grouping of trapped VSU would escape , but they are unable to move, same goes for the VSU throughout the country

5. You are one, any servicemember would call you out for stolen valor which is what they call it , and would tell you exactly what I told you, when you say full of lies you are talking about yourself, and when you say clown it is also the same thing, a projection stemming from the fact you come here to say that you were in Syria, fighting the Russians

You belong in a clown car near yavoriv tweeting and redditing for updoots

@ seig

Which convoys are you referring to? Show me proof of large Ukrop convoys moving around freely?
If true Kiev is attempting to reinforce Donbas with thousands of troops they will have to move them in convoys soon, as you suggest should be able to do it without issue, but only then we shall find out if Russia will refrain from striking them, until this happens, pointless arguing about any of it.

Serberus wrote:@ seig

Which convoys are you referring to? Show me proof of large Ukrop convoys moving around freely?
If true Kiev is attempting to reinforce Donbas with thousands of troops they will have to move them in convoys soon, as you suggest should be able to do it without issue, but only then we shall find out if Russia will refrain from striking them, until this happens, pointless arguing about any of it.

Why would Russia not hit it?

Do you not remember the day Flaming Hohol, who's cup runneth over with 200 tears, each one for the life of each hohol which was dispensed with from barracks in Nikolayev ?

Russia hit Yavoriv, Nikolayev, Zhytomir, and many barracks with sleeping Ukropians many times and had 0 qualm about doing it

Wtf makes anyone think that they won't wack a convoy ?

They hit guys sleeping , mfs feet were hanging out of the rubble

So idk where you get the idea Russia wouldn't hit a stupid convoy

1. Maripool was a lost cause, why send troops there, it makes ZERO sense to do that. Just because they did not mean they depleted their reserves LOL, your logic is baseless as hell. OHHHH now that your BS got called you changed your tune from "They have no reserves" to "They won't send them" Donbass is not Mari they can and will send and they have to send them there, Unlike Mari which ukraine made the right call with letting it collapse as holding it wasn't feasible.

See what you did here is try to twist the facts and present one matter as something other then what it is, this is called LYING and Spinning.

2. Again, Ukraine has not lost all supporting assists. Show me proof everything you claim was taken out was (you won't btw because its not true), you can find elements of them being taken out sure but not all of it. So you lied pure and simple claiming for example 50 percent loss was 100 percent loss.

3. Ah again you changed your tune, once questioned you shifted first claiming Ukraine lost most of its forces around Keiv but not claim it was in dispersed areas around Ukraine, which is factually TRUE and what I SAID. Congrats you told the truth. See was that so hard?.

4. Ah shame you got to go and take stuff out of context, those troops haven't moved because they are reserves on an expected russian attack that will come. You also left out the fact they are there to defend against russian forces, and those russian forces haven't been scaled down. So your statement was nothing more but a BS smoke and mirrors tactic.

5. I asked you twice now for proof of this, But again you try to deflect and dodge it, okay I gave you the chance twice to prove me wrong. I asked for proof you provided now, shows your comment is full of shit on the convoys, glad we settled this.

6. You can think what you want, Trust me on this, I don't a rats ass what you or other fanboys say or THINK.

Serberus wrote:@ seig

Which convoys are you referring to? Show me proof of large Ukrop convoys moving around freely?
If true Kiev is attempting to reinforce Donbas with thousands of troops they will have to move them in convoys soon, as you suggest should be able to do it without issue, but only then we shall find out if Russia will refrain from striking them, until this happens, pointless arguing about any of it.

Show me proof that Russia has attacked a Single convoy there is none of this, and if they did there would be something to prove it but there is Nadda.

But yes they will arrive no problem, and I think that is utterly dumb. But Putins orders not mine

https://southfront.org/war_in_ukraine_day_36/

WAR IN UKRAINE DAY 36: RUSSIAN, LDPR FORCES DO NOT STOP IN EASTERN UKRAINE, WAITING FOR REINFORCEMENT

1. Donbass is in the same situation as Mariupol , they cannot leave those positions because airpower would annihilate them, and they are in fortifications, for them it's the same situation as Mariupol, they either stay or surrender. There's no option to retreat because airpower will destroy them

2. You are making an argument for the sake of arguing. You seek to argue semantics, the main point is the reserve system of Ukraine doesn't function , if they can't get supplies, manpower, and armor anywhere, then it is an insurgency that is just digging in like Jabhat AL Nusra or Hayat Tahrir al sham. It's an Insurgency like Aleppo or Idlib

3. I never claimed they lost most their forces near Kiev, what I Said is that the forces near Kiev were drawn into battle and wore down for 20+ days, same for the grouping in donetsk, and same for the grouping at Nikolayev which are little more than insurgents using the cities are garrisons

Ergo why i said they will not take back irpen, brovary. Gostomel, Kherson, Or any of the positions north east of Nikolayev.

Because they were worn down in feint attacks and were kept from reinforcing the Donbass, where the main grouping of the VSU is and where Russia will concentrate on destroying the VSU

The forces from Kiev will not reconstitute as a maneuver warfare unit for the rest of the war. They will fight as an insurgency, but nothing else

That's the point of a feint, make contact and draw the enemy into battle and away from the main area you will attack. Bingo, goal achieved, phase 1 is complete

4. You state the obvious. They stay in place because of the feint, if there never was a feint, what you suggest would have happened, they would have gone to support Donbass, but alas, there was the omnipresence of Russians, so they stayed put and that's how it will stay for the rest of the war

5. Get a telegram channel and look for it yourself

6. Great me neither

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Serberus wrote:@ seig

Which convoys are you referring to? Show me proof of large Ukrop convoys moving around freely?
If true Kiev is attempting to reinforce Donbas with thousands of troops they will have to move them in convoys soon, as you suggest should be able to do it without issue, but only then we shall find out if Russia will refrain from striking them, until this happens, pointless arguing about any of it.

Show me proof that Russia has attacked a Single convoy there is none of this, and if they did there would be something to prove it but there is Nadda.

But yes they will arrive no problem, and I think that is utterly dumb. But Putins orders not mine

Circle jerk it is then
Refer back to my first point, which convoys? You haven’t proven the existence of them so asking for proof of their destruction is asinine.
Should be very easy to prove that  large Ukrop convoys are moving around freely from west to east, can’t exactly hide just as there were hundreds of video showing Russian convoys….point is there are no convoys because they know they will get hit, only localised troop movement… also as pointed out already , Russia hit barracks killing hundreds, I don’t  see why they would refrain from convoys what the f is the diff? And you keep saying Putin ordered it, please provide evidence?

This nonsense is equivalent to me saying Russian troops are in Lviv and if you don't show me evidence of their destruction, my claim must be true

Knowing what I know about the Ukro-orcs conduct in this conflict, I'd be willing to believe that the car was a civvie casualty painted up post-conflict as a propaganda ploy.

Or indeed the enemy are using Russian markings to allow them to operate in places they shouldn't be... on the negative side that might make Russian force hesitate to kill them, but on balance it means Ukrainian forces might take the marking to indicate they are Russian and they will kill them instead.

Sending out and recovering troops dressed up as enemy forces is always risky for your troops.... mistakes will happen.

Biggest mistake of russians was to not develop a small Arena for all their armoured vehicles and put the already produced arena on tanks.

Except in a conflict like this the enemy are most likely to target support convoys, and ARENA wont protect trucks.

The MMW radar emissions from the vehicles would make their forces much easier for HATO to track and locate...

ARENA would not have hurt, but it would not have reduced casualties to zero either... so if we are talking about that how about an all robot armed for of ground and air based drones and cruise missiles...

Confirmed not true, unfortunately. The guy is still posting on his social media, some have reported.

I suspect claims he has been captured might be in order to get him to post that he has not been captured so they can zero in on his location to actually capture him.

Both the sides lack precision guided shells like the M982 Excalibur. Russia does have a few Krasnopol but they are not as accurate as the Excalibur. Ukraine barely has any guided shells

Krasnopol is more accurate than Excalibr and can't be GPS jammed like the US weapon can. The French were actually interested in a 155mm calibre version the Krasnopol-M because it was accurate and so cheap compared with the western alternatives... but politics got in the way.

So how is arty on either side causing large scale attrition?

For the Russians it is about selectively taking out Nazis and Orcs while leaving the civilian populations they surround themselves with for protection largely intact.

Agree with you that on the Russian side most of the damage has been caused by Ukrainian air power, including armed drones.

Ukrainian airpower is nonexistent and drones get shot down as quickly as they get airborne.

There are GLONASS-guided Krasnopol variants, so essentially Russian Excaliburs, but I don't know if they've been fielded.

Actually they developed nose mounted fuses for 152mm+ calibre ammo that includes GLONASS and control fins and gives a 10m CEP accuracy to dumb shells.

The fuse itself costs about 1K US dollars, but I am sure over time the price would drop with mass production.

This is about 80 times less than Excalibr.

China is using Russia as a battering ram to destroy the old world order

The old world order was a pyramid scheme set up to support the west only... destroying it is a good thing... even for most of the west.

Our civilian economy will be decimated.

Why? Import substitution should be quite straight forward... China produces most of the consumer stuff you used to buy from the west and it is probaby better and certainly cheaper... probably coming from the same factory.

This just sounds like a lot of fluff. They allegedly captured the same one abandoned component three times. Doesn't that rather indicate that the Russians aren't too worried about that particular component?

As metioned in the article it has been in operational service for 10 years... time to upgrade and develop a replacement system.

Obviously the US and EU will be interested because their air defence is shit so any hints on how it is done would be very valuable to them...

It's moronic to alloy such sensitive systems to fall into enemy hands.

They have been in operational service for a decade... hardly sensitive any more...

What people don't understand is that is a war on many fronts and that includes the economic front as well, it is all related.

True, and it is a gray area, but when we have an economics of this conflict thread it actually makes more sense to post it there...

Russia will not attack the convoys remember they aren't trying to kill the Ukie army.

Troops moving in retreat would likely not be engaged, but troops moving forward to support other troops are fair game.

Re the first item I assume that the Russians are content to destroy the downstream storage areas. I wonder how the diesel etc is transported away from the refinery, that should be a target.

Would also make the harvest impossible....

@spriter998800 tweeting published Ukrainian drone footage seemingly showing that Russian troops have left Gostomel airport. Seems weird to give it up when they fought so hard and room so many losses to take it. If I was in the vdv I’d be pisssd

If you were VDV you would do as ordered and you would know the numbers of losses so far as given by western sources are inflated crap not to be believed.

And you just lied, gloves did not come off.

Russian army is still adhering to putins rules.

Putins rules are about sparing civilians and soldiers THAT WANT TO SURRENDER.

Troops moving forward to support other troops engaged in combat are Fair Game.

They would be left if they were retreating, but they are not retreating, they are moving to combat positions to fight the DNR.... and are therefore fair game... just like soldiers in Barracks.

reasons are simple, Putin is refusing to do a large scale mobilization which is needed and because of that russian forces are undermanned and out numbered, so they cannot hold large areas.

The reasons are simple... the forces around Kiev are a feint to force the Orcs to keep forces there rather than send them to the front, this feint has worked but now that they are going to start crushing those cauldrons around the bulk of the Orc army letting more orcs from the west come in to the meat grinder is a good way of getting rid of orcs.

Artillery and air power will demolish forces moving up to support... civilians are going the other way so it is not hard to work out which is which.

Russia does not need to massively increase its force numbers, because increased force numbers would just require even more support units which makes more targets for guerilla enemy units.

you guys are funny, its not fake ! THIS IS TRUE about raping minors and east dogs. Stealing makeup sets or seeing asphalt for the very first time.

Seeing Ashphalt for the first time was a propaganda myth from WWII about advancing Soviet soldiers who supposedly entered Polish villages and they found the cow runs for milking cows were ashphalted... these Soviet soldiers comming from villages where even the main road isn't ashphalted and they reportedly got angry saying that the europeans invaded our country to steal from use and they have all this wealth... It was communist propaganda of course... to motivate the troops.

You guys can go to f16.net if you like but Garry has already said economic news will be posted here

Some can if it is relevant to the fight... the ruble stuff is not and I am going to shift it shortly.

Seems like a Ukr helicopter attack on a fuel depot in Belgorod. What an embarrassment.