Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9

Lurk83 wrote:Seems like a Ukr helicopter attack on a fuel depot in Belgorod.

Pretty much so close to the border should have been expected and better protected.
https://t.me/intelslava/24096

Serberus wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:Seems like a Ukr helicopter attack on a fuel depot in Belgorod.

Pretty much so close to the border should have been expected and better protected.
https://t.me/intelslava/24096

Jesus Christ smh...I'm losing hope in Russian leadership, how in the hell is something like this even allowed?

Serberus wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:Seems like a Ukr helicopter attack on a fuel depot in Belgorod.

Pretty much so close to the border should have been expected and better protected.
https://t.me/intelslava/24096

Massive AD fail! Those helicopters had to fly over Russian lines near Kharkov and then into Russia itself to launch unguided rockets at the depot.

It's not trivial to detect helos flying nap of the earth

Flying low and AD will have hard time if not impossible to detect. This is the first successful strike of Ukraine Air Force since the beginning of the operation that I aware of.

Shit happens in wartime.  Ukraine will have their share of capable personnel, and the risk is always present that they will get away with some successful attacks, especially when its only a stones-throw from Kharkov.

Peeps need to stop whining like pre-pubescent girls when something occassionally doesn't go Russias way.   Their military brass knows what they are doing, so cease the infantile white noise and learn to shrug yer shoulders once in a while.

As long as, people in charge admit and  learn from mistakes, it should be ok.
We can bitch about all we want.
Personally, i have a feeling that Russians underestimated Ukr army and their moral.

You have really spent 2 or so pages discussing with a mythomaniac poser things that are obvious?
You folks really do not respect your time, that is what I must say.

Russkies are hitting manpower at any place and in any way they can.
Let it be demolishing the whole barracks, schools converted into them, kindergartens turned into strongpoints - they give a fuk about it. Just hit 'em hard.

The reason why there are no "columns" is that there can't be ones - Russkies would decimate all of them. This is what they are doing, there are hundreds of evidence for that, and discussing that is both silly&pointless.

The Ukro "column" consists of a few vehicles because that is all they can get and do. And still are smashed into pieces.

That is why Ukros changed the tactics long time ago.
They are using all means of civilian transport. And as "all" I mean all. Yesterday al Jazeera aired a material and accidentally showed an ambulance full of troopers dismounting to the hospital. Not wounded ones.
They are vastly using civilian cars, regular TIRs, trucks, etc.
It is impossible to pick them out, other than forbidding civilian transport at all.
NATO would give a shit about that and just blow all the civilian cars out there.

Let me explain one more thing to the folks who are not from the ex WarPac member states.

In all the countries of the Soviet block, schools, kindergartens etc were considered as a part of civil defence structures. All of them are built with higher standards and specified materials. All of them include shelters, some of them - the more modern ones - own water purifying systems, warehouses, some have alternative water and power supply.
The same applies to all the industrial housing out there. A "basement" does not mean what you mean It is a shelter as well, with reinforced walls and ceilings. Most of them have gas-tight steel doors, evacuation shafts/doors leading to backyards etc.
If you hear a "school", it is not what you think. In most cases, it is a solid concrete structure, with reinforced doors, long corridors, a secure basement with strengthened walls, and a 50 cm thick steel/concrete ceiling. I suppose some dedicated strongholds are not much better than that.

Serberus wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:Seems like a Ukr helicopter attack on a fuel depot in Belgorod.

Pretty much so close to the border should have been expected and better protected.
https://t.me/intelslava/24096

It'll be interesting to hear the story behind this one. Ground based AD can struggle to pick up low altitude intrusions, but I would expect some interceptor coverage to be on a constant rotation. My guess is that with all the friendly air traffic these ones managed to slip through.

Jezus crist, you bunch of defeatist crybabies. Grow a spine and grow up. You do not fire on every target that comes on the scope without having 100 percent positive id. ever heard of friendly fire?

It is open war, in case you all still do not understand.
Shit happens in war, you can not prevent everything.

mnrck wrote:Flying low and AD will have hard time if not impossible to detect. This is the first successful strike of Ukraine Air Force since the beginning of the operation that I aware of.

Very ballsy move! Stupid, of course, but still impressively ballsy.

I'm not surprised that a completely unexpected and illogical thing was possible to pull off. I am however surprised by the fact that they still had two airworthy choppers in Kharkov.

Some wallpapers for you, courtesy Russian MoD.

https://disk.yandex.ru/d/XwqSuj8PcQ6-Rw

https://t.me/opersvodki/2723

Ukr choppers strike of tonight.

It's kinda reminds me of Houthi attacks on Jeddah few days ago. At least tho one would expect air patrol, as the best measure against low flying targets are AEW with fighter cover, they have the best coverage.

another video, showing choppers getting out after striking

Airbornewolf wrote:Jezus crist, you bunch of defeatist crybabies. Grow a spine and grow up. You do not fire on every target that comes on the scope without having 100 percent positive id.  ever heard of friendly fire?

It is open war, in case you all still do not understand.
Shit happens in war, you can not prevent everything.

There is that from a few members regardless, and you make a good point about FF but after hitting the depot, they still had to make it back safe to Ukrop controlled territory about 70km away with around 40km of airspace over Russia, which appears they managed to do without incident. I think a bit or frustration is warranted.

Say whats you want, but this far in the war, it's very impressive that they are flying. Pilots had to fly at low altitudes, in dark, in enemy territory, find the target. Avionics on those old Mi-24 are not like on Ka-52. And it's not some Iraq-level AD they were flying against, plenty of radar coverage to get themselves pinged even when flying low, not to mention probable AWACS detection. And it's not some US flight school training, but Soviet school legacy.

In the end, Mi-24 are support helicopters, using them even in such a daring manner is a sign of desperation ... Ukrainians could be achieved more with Tochka-U strikes

Regular wrote:Say whats you want, but this far in the war, it's very impressive that they are flying. Pilots had to fly at low altitudes, in dark, in enemy territory, find the target. Avionics on those old Mi-24 are not like on Ka-52. And it's not some Iraq-level AD they were flying against, plenty of radar coverage to get themselves pinged even when flying low, not to mention probable AWACS detection. And it's not some US flight school training, but Soviet school legacy.

In the end, Mi-24 are support helicopters, using them even in such a daring manner is a sign of desperation ... Ukrainians could be achieved more with Tochka-U strikes

Well they will still do it anyway as it's a big propaganda move. kind of similar when Hamas throw rocket and make big news here as it makes Israeli expend expensive missiles or when the rocket hits, they'll tell Iron dome is useless.

Still it's a successful operation with some hard balls by pilots. I mean, they deserve respect, they did a great and legitimate job, either we like it or not.

Regular wrote:Say whats you want, but this far in the war, it's very impressive that they are flying. Pilots had to fly at low altitudes, in dark, in enemy territory, find the target. Avionics on those old Mi-24 are not like on Ka-52. And it's not some Iraq-level AD they were flying against, plenty of radar coverage to get themselves pinged even when flying low, not to mention probable AWACS detection. And it's not some US flight school training, but Soviet school legacy.

In the end, Mi-24 are support helicopters, using them even in such a daring manner is a sign of desperation ... Ukrainians could be achieved more with Tochka-U strikes

Indeed, but here is a catch.
They can't use Tochkas anymore.
The area is covered for those.
Russkies intercepted some of them after the lucky strike at airport.
So they tried another song, achieved some hits, and that window will be closed now too.
One way or another.

I guess the heavy losses of Su-24 in the north for some last days are the same kind of try. All fell off the sky en route to Homel airport. They heavily need any kind of propaganda success, even at the expense of the last assets they have. Next time, they will blow up a tank station on the border claiming a strategic hit deep into the Russkies oil industry

What real worry should be is that conflict is still showing signs of further escalation and no signs of any slow down, so we have full blown war out of control.

Ukraine proved to be much more tough cake than anyone east or west could predict.

Those news from Belgorod are shocking and skills and balls to do it are quite high.

I think Russia will get much bigger trouble long road with Ukraine and someone with a lot of brain should start to think way out asap.

mr_hd wrote:What real worry should be is that conflict is still showing signs of further escalation and no signs of any slow down, so we have full blown war out of control.

Ukraine proved to be much more tough cake than anyone east or west could predict.

Those news from Belgorod are shocking and skills and balls to do it are quite high.

I think Russia will get much bigger trouble long road with Ukraine and someone with a lot of brain should start to think way out asap.

They have very little in the way of material assets left. Short of NATO supplying them with more armor/logis/rotary wing/essentially total-rearmament UAF is well and truly in a hole. I am guessing the finishing moves are about to be executed.

EDIT: Even if the UAF were magically rearmed, it wouldn't solve the logistical problems.

You have to laugh western media mainly UK media are calling the helicopter attack in Russia and false flag by Russia saying Russia did it themselves to justify the war. Western media as I previously stated are now just plain dumb.

"Russia has accused Ukrainian helicopters of attacking an oil facility inside Russia after flying 25 miles undetected past the border, amid claims the Kremlin could stage a 'false flag' attack to justify a further escalation of the war. "

d_taddei2 wrote:You have to laugh western media mainly UK media are calling the helicopter attack in Russia and false flag by Russia saying Russia did it themselves to justify the war. Western media as I previously stated are now just plain dumb.
"Russia has accused Ukrainian helicopters of attacking an oil facility inside Russia after flying 25 miles undetected past the border, amid claims the Kremlin could stage a 'false flag' attack to justify a further escalation of the war. "

Yeah, like they care about making a cause
Bunch of idiots
First, take a look at the very first physical map of the area.
It is fully covered by the rivers flowing in gorges. One can get to the center of Belgorod not sticking its nose above the horizon for one meter.
Maybe, if there would be a 24/7 coverage of A-50s, they could have spotted something - but that is questionable.