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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Funny how the bickering at the leadership level translates to the bickering here on the forum

    Zrada, zrada everywhere!

    Guys chill


    It is only the idiots that are pushing their opinions as facts.

    The people that listen to the experts, see/read correct news, know what is happening on ground are talking strategy and different ways of doing things.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:33 pm

    Ned86 wrote:
    Photo looks weird to me too and when I first saw it I thought the same that this is a RC model plane.
    It simply looks too small in the comparison to the ground.

    Btw, when you analyze the photo for Error Level and noise, it seems that someone has modified the wing part and the nose.
    Also this "smoke" seems added too.

    https://ibb.co/wYWbqjc

    Even if we consider that photo is authentic, isn't the color of the smoke strange little bit? (usually is black smoke when we have wreckage burning)
    Also, these tires seems still burning and yet they preserved their shape while rest of the plane is burned.

    There are close up images.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:41 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Unbelievable, Ukraine has no KA-52's so its a russian bird.

    They had more than enough time to destroy it if they couldn't move it, I'll need to start taking Ukraine's claims of captured equipment more seriously now.

    The sheer level of incompetence here is legendary.

    Well thanks, Russia. This thing will be shipped to the states soon.

    First question would be when was the photo taken?
    Second question how much time has passed and what did either side do to get the Ka-52 out of the field?


    Airbornewolf wrote:
    I dont know the design of th KA-52, can the pilots take out/destroy all the critical systems themselves in an short amount of time?.
    if they can take the drives and computers, the thing is just an useless hulk.
    There seemed to be a lot of disconnected wires in shots that where connected to systems somewhere.

    Yes and no, depends on the system they want to inspect.

    The advanced co-axial design could be inspected to help the US's prototypes to mature faster.

    The crucial systems are Arbalet, L-370 Vitebsk and all its subsystems like DIRCM, MAWS, LWS, RWS and the EW-stubbed arm, Okhotnik (auto targeting system), Blackbox, GOES, Vikhr-1 and some subsystems for the EW-suite.

    As there are no direct manuals nor anything useful about the electronics, software or the interfaces (other that they are propriety) it is unknown if the data is encrypted or can be accessed with the correct interface. My assumption is it was expected that military vehicles will land in the enemy's hand and crucial parts are protected by some sort of mechanism or technology.

    Only time will tell if that was the case and in short time, if the Ka-52 is still on the Orc's side then we will see it soon in the news being shipped to the US.


    limb wrote:
    I never got an answer why Russia simply doesn't commit more equipment. It has so many more soldiers in reserve.

    How much more troops do you want Russia to commit of it's entire fighting capability to deal with the Orcs?

    30%?
    50%?
    More?

    The Ukraine is a proxy, yes a lot bigger and stronger than PONOS countries together, but, are limited in how they can fight and what they can use. Any large formations to zerg the Orcs can be dealed with any form they would like to see fit. Atrocities, bombs, mass use of bombardment, more Tochka-U's with cluster warheads or NATO involvement from the Ukrainian soil.

    Russia is fighting with limited amount, limited capabilities to keep the NATO forces blind to what they have behind. This was discussed several times. If this version does not satisfy you, there is an official russian site where you can ask questions, but don't be sad if they don't tell you.


    BTW, you should check the rotors which appear to have missing "big" chunks due to heavy AA fire. Looking at the damaged rotors and the missing paint at the nose but completely intact GOES  it looks like this was also due to AA fire.


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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:49 pm

    There is various topics covered in this video:

    The $300 Billion in Russian reserves that were frozen by the west, are being stolen, they are going to use "the sized Russian reserves to rebuild Ukraine" but we all know that is a lie, those $300 Billion Russian reserves are gone(we already knew this.)

    The Pakistan situation with Imran Khan is talked about.

    But the most interesting thing is that all the weapons and aid that US and its vassals are sending are being sold on the black market, there are going to be a lot of rich people out of this racket.


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    Post  limb Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:04 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Broski wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Reconstruction - do you really think Russia will agree to pay contributions as by unconditional surrender?! yet somebody has to pay for new Mariupol, roads, railways or oil terminals...why not eu? Very Happy
    The West have already started talking about stealing some of Russia's $300 Billion frozen CB assets to pay for Ukraine's war damages, it was beyond stupid for Russia to invest so much in countries that have been openly




    Arrow wrote:Unfortunately, the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense is still operational.  Buk or S 300?

    That's true. It's not that easy to destroy them all since they are dispersed and masked. Once they are find you can see vids on Russia's MoD site...As for manpads. Thousands promised and already delivered by west cannot be eliminated all. But hopefully  war delivered to west enemies :d

    Yes it is.  The Russian air force operates in extremely heavy anti-aircraft defense.  Russian losses are not big.  Nobody has operated against such a large anti-aircraft defense yet.
    So the MOD are lying that they destroyed the vast majority of buks and all S-300s. Less than 20 buks isnt "extremely heavy air defense "

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    Post  Ned86 Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:12 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    There are close up images.


    They seem truthful and this could be the most (if not the only one) convincing evidence of Russian Flanker downed in Ukraine Sad

    Other photo reports were doubtful and they could be Ukrainian Flankers as well.
    So far we didn't see neither one wreckage of Ukrainian Su-27 even though Russia claimed that few were shot down.

    Let's hope that one day Russian MoD will publish official fixed wing aircraft losses and their cause(friendly fire should not be excluded).

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:15 pm

    limb wrote:
    Arrow wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Broski wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Reconstruction - do you really think Russia will agree to pay contributions as by unconditional surrender?! yet somebody has to pay for new Mariupol, roads, railways or oil terminals...why not eu? Very Happy
    The West have already started talking about stealing some of Russia's $300 Billion frozen CB assets to pay for Ukraine's war damages, it was beyond stupid for Russia to invest so much in countries that have been openly




    Arrow wrote:Unfortunately, the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense is still operational.  Buk or S 300?

    That's true. It's not that easy to destroy them all since they are dispersed and masked. Once they are find you can see vids on Russia's MoD site...As for manpads. Thousands promised and already delivered by west cannot be eliminated all. But hopefully  war delivered to west enemies :d

    Yes it is.  The Russian air force operates in extremely heavy anti-aircraft defense.  Russian losses are not big.  Nobody has operated against such a large anti-aircraft defense yet.
    So the MOD are lying that they destroyed the vast majority of buks and all S-300s. Less than 20 buks isnt "extremely heavy air defense "

    They weren't lying

    Russian AF has been flying intensely

    They haven't had any planes downed for nearly a month

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:28 pm

    Anglo-Saxons now planning to hit India with nuclear weapons because India decided to buy Russian oil.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:34 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Arkanghelsk, our very own Hudson of Russia Defense Net.



    Its the last i will say about him, thrown on ignore list.

    That was indeed funny take on this, hell even FP is liking your post.

    This is some kind of comedy with you two! Laughing

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    Post  Firebird Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:41 pm

    par far wrote:There is various topics covered in this video:

    The $300 Billion in Russian reserves that were frozen by the west, are being stolen, they are going to use "the sized Russian reserves to rebuild Ukraine" but we all know that is a lie, those $300 Billion Russian reserves are gone(we already knew this.)

    The Pakistan situation with Imran Khan is talked about.

    But the most interesting thing is that all the weapons and aid that US and its vassals are sending are being sold on the black market, there are going to be a lot of rich people out of this racket.



    I posted a link a few weeks ago saying the 300bn was frozen and neither side could access it in any way.
    As I understand it was already basically set against loans and credit.  Also as I understand, Russia's net USD exposure was basically at zero. If America seizes dollar funds, Russia seizes assets against  it.
    Russia knew this was going to happen, and its actions before the Ukraine operation were widely reported.

    If Russia did actually have 300 bn stolen from it.
    I have no doubt the following would occur:-
    1)Russia would consider it an act of outright war.
    2)The West would be flooded with fake dollars, like the N Korean "superdollars". Except instead of being indistiniguishable to the regional Feds (like superdollars), they would be indistinguishable by the Central Fed ie the same as any normal US tender.
    3)Russia would hack the US banking system and various other organs of US power. The US would be in a state of financial catastrophe. Particularly because its economy is so dependent on financial instruments (far less so than Russia).


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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:42 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Anglo-Saxons now planning to hit India with nuclear weapons because India decided to buy Russian oil.


    They are experts at blackmailing and fucking with emotions. Someone who has Twitter, should reply, what happens, if Russia hits the US with nuclear weapons?

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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:43 pm

    limb wrote:So the MOD are lying that they destroyed the vast majority of buks and all S-300s. Less than 20 buks isnt "extremely heavy air defense "

    Before the start of this conflict Ukraine was credited with quite a substantial AD missile force. The Army had 4 AD Regiments that included some S-330V's, a couple of Tor-M's and substantial numbers of Strela-10's (sa-13), Osas (sa-Cool and Tunguskas. The Air Force was credited with 75 Buk-M1's and 250 S-300's as well as some S-125's (sa-3) in 6 AD brigades and 4 AD Regiments. That is quite a significant AD force that the Russians had to deal with.

    Source: IISS Military Balance 2021.

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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:44 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    par far wrote:There is various topics covered in this video:

    The $300 Billion in Russian reserves that were frozen by the west, are being stolen, they are going to use "the sized Russian reserves to rebuild Ukraine" but we all know that is a lie, those $300 Billion Russian reserves are gone(we already knew this.)

    The Pakistan situation with Imran Khan is talked about.

    But the most interesting thing is that all the weapons and aid that US and its vassals are sending are being sold on the black market, there are going to be a lot of rich people out of this racket.



    I posted a link a few weeks ago saying the 300bn was frozen and neither side could access it in any way.
    As I understand its basically set against loans and credit.  Also as I understand, Russia's net USD exposure was basically at zero. If America seizes dollar funds, Russia seizes assets against  it.

    If Russia did actually have 300 bn stolen from it.
    I have no doubt the following would occur:-
    1)Russia would consider it an act of outright war.
    2)The West would be flooded with fake dollars, like the N Korean "superdollars". Except instead of being indistiniguishable to the regional Feds (like superdollars), they would be indistinguishable by the Central Fed ie the same as any normal US tender.
    3)Russia would hack the US banking system and various other organs of US power. The US would be in a state of financial catastrophe. Particularly because its economy is so dependent on financial instruments (far less so than Russia).



    They already have stolen the $300 billon that they froze, this is a given now.
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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:44 pm

    There are rumors that the Ukrainians are holding hostage NATO(possibly French) advisors in the Mariupol steel factory.




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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:59 pm

    Ned86 wrote:
    Other photo reports were doubtful and they could be Ukrainian Flankers as well.
    So far we didn't see neither one wreckage of Ukrainian Su-27 even though Russia claimed that few were shot down.

    Let's hope that one day Russian MoD will publish official fixed wing aircraft losses and their cause(friendly fire should not be excluded).

    Well i hope VKS will quickly learn and adapt. Like they already lost basically every type of modern Flankers except Su-27SM. how many being shotdown of course not what Ukrainian claim.. I counted maybe 1-3 Su-34's. 1 or 2 Su-30SM's and now 1 Su-35.

    -------

    The media may spin or hype downing of aircraft, captured or found abandoned equipment. But the war is not over yet. The Russians still do heavy damages with near impunity toward Ukrainian.

    Nobody so far complain about Kalibr, Kh-101 and Iskander. everytime they work.. they do great and give intended effect.

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    Post  Firebird Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:01 pm

    par far wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    par far wrote:There is various topics covered in this video:

    The $300 Billion in Russian reserves that were frozen by the west, are being stolen, they are going to use "the sized Russian reserves to rebuild Ukraine" but we all know that is a lie, those $300 Billion Russian reserves are gone(we already knew this.)

    The Pakistan situation with Imran Khan is talked about.

    But the most interesting thing is that all the weapons and aid that US and its vassals are sending are being sold on the black market, there are going to be a lot of rich people out of this racket.



    I posted a link a few weeks ago saying the 300bn was frozen and neither side could access it in any way.
    As I understand its basically set against loans and credit.  Also as I understand, Russia's net USD exposure was basically at zero. If America seizes dollar funds, Russia seizes assets against  it.

    If Russia did actually have 300 bn stolen from it.
    I have no doubt the following would occur:-
    1)Russia would consider it an act of outright war.
    2)The West would be flooded with fake dollars, like the N Korean "superdollars". Except instead of being indistiniguishable to the regional Feds (like superdollars), they would be indistinguishable by the Central Fed ie the same as any normal US tender.
    3)Russia would hack the US banking system and various other organs of US power. The US would be in a state of financial catastrophe. Particularly because its economy is so dependent on financial instruments (far less so than Russia).



    They already have stolen the $300 billon that they froze, this is a given now.

    I've never seen a single credible source saying there was a mechanism to unilaterally take the money without any offset. Thats why the Western side use the phrase frozen rather than confiscated (or at least should).

    Russia has a vast number of options against America -  refusal to honour stock certificates on US stock listings. Refusal to honour any oil concessions or joint partnerships. Refusal to acknowlege any intellectual property (including the printing of US bonds and banknotes). Refusal to acknowledge any corporate debt owed to US banks etc etc

    Both sides knew what was coming, years ago. The financial battle will revolve around trade not the headlines that are never reported in detail. I work in the financial markets BTW.

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    https://www.intellinews.com/will-russia-default-on-its-310bn-of-corporate-debt-236872/
    Here's a figure of ... wait for it... 310 billion in corp debt Russia owes the West.
    Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidence.
    Russia is just as safe as America in this area.
    Infact with its commodity position, its very populous friends and dedollarisation, I'd say Russia is far safer than Uncle Scam.


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:03 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Anglo-Saxons now planning to hit India with nuclear weapons because India decided to buy Russian oil.


    How can this post possibly be related to this thread?

    This is spamming pure and simple.

    You are not stupid. Why couldn't you be bothered to put it in the correct thread?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Hi, it seems that several of you embedded posts in the last page have been double posts of the same item.

    Do you have any idea why it is doing that?
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    Post  Ned86 Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:08 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    Well i hope VKS will quickly learn and adapt. Like they already lost basically every type of modern Flankers except Su-27SM. how many being shotdown of course not what Ukrainian claim.. I counted maybe 1-3 Su-34's. 1 or 2 Su-30SM's and now 1 Su-35.
     

    We need to create thread in Russia air force and count losses which can be verified with photos.

    I counted 1 Su-35, 1 Su-30 and few Su-25.
    That is still nothing when comparing to the US losses in 1991 & 2003 in Iraq.

    Desert Storm
    The Coalition lost a total of 75 aircraft—52 fixed-wing aircraft and 23 helicopters–during Desert Storm, with 39 fixed-wing aircraft and 5 helicopters lost in combat.

    Iraq 2003
    According to media reports, 129 helicopters and 24 fixed-wing aircraft were lost in Iraq between the 2003 invasion and February 2009
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:14 pm

    Anyone else seen this. Active shortly if true. Kept hostage my foot! Let out in the dark so no photo evidence.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:16 pm

    Squirrel enlisted in the Russian Federation, Doing its part in Denazifying Ukraine. lol1

    https://t.me/opersvodki/2830

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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Anglo-Saxons now planning to hit India with nuclear weapons because India decided to buy Russian oil.


    How can this post possibly be related to this thread?

    This is spamming pure and simple.

    You are not stupid. Why couldn't you be bothered to put it in the correct thread?



    It is not spam, it is part of the information war that is being waged against Russia, the real target here is Russia not India.

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    Post  franco Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:17 pm

    Mir wrote:
    limb wrote:So the MOD are lying that they destroyed the vast majority of buks and all S-300s. Less than 20 buks isnt "extremely heavy air defense "

    Before the start of this conflict Ukraine was credited with quite a substantial AD missile force. The Army had 4 AD Regiments that included some S-330V's, a couple of Tor-M's and substantial numbers of Strela-10's (sa-13), Osas (sa-Cool and Tunguskas. The Air Force was credited with 75 Buk-M1's and 250 S-300's as well as some S-125's (sa-3) in 6 AD brigades and 4 AD Regiments. That is quite a significant AD force that the Russians had to deal with.

    Source: IISS Military Balance 2021.

    Noticed that the numbers seem to decreasing from the daily totals and they are reporting Osa's (SA-8's) so perhaps targets are disappearing.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:17 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:

    The ka-52 isn't new, western intelligence services most likely already have all the info they need on it. These details get leaked over the years, USA would be more interested in any soft kill systems it had but it didn't have president S system etc.

    The Ka-52 in Gostomel like all Ka-52's are equipped with Vitebks L-370 TWICMS systems (Threat Warning and Integreated Counter Measure System). You can see the DIRCM "balls of steel" here on this picture.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 34 Ka-52_10

    This is from the video Airbornewolf uploaded at mark 2:20.


    The display during the Video shows some interesting stuff used С-8 rockets but the right button says "ВНЕШ" and left bottom corner says "Кор" which uselly is displaying the flight mode while the right buttom corner shows the Weapon's type.
    Have not found with a quick search what that means.
    Anybody got info?


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    Post  par far Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:18 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Squirrel enlisted in the Russian Federation, Doing its part in Denazifying Ukraine. lol1

    https://t.me/opersvodki/2830

    That squirrel may get sanctioned and be called a Russian agents.

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