flamming_python wrote:That Ka-52 which was forced to land after taking damage during the battle of Gostomel is still there. Ukrainian troops took a photo with it.
https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/51066
Begs the question of why it wasn't taken away by Russian forces, or destroyed
Or does Russia want NATO to inspect it?
Unbelievable, Ukraine has no KA-52's so its a russian bird.
They had more than enough time to destroy it if they couldn't move it, I'll need to start taking Ukraine's claims of captured equipment more seriously now.
The sheer level of incompetence here is legendary.
Well thanks, Russia. This thing will be shipped to the states soon.
I really have no words. They had over a month to move it. I mean putting aside that it's a sensitive cutting-edge piece of technology that you don't want in enemy hands - it looks comfortably salvageable, and these things aren't cheap. Could have been fixed and put back into action
Maybe they'll see the pics now and finally blow it up. But I suspect it's been carted off already.
The Russian officer corps is really something. Takes a laisez-faire approach to the conflict, it seems.
The ka-52 isn't new, western intelligence services most likely already have all the info they need on it. These details get leaked over the years, USA would be more interested in any soft kill systems it had but it didn't have president S system etc.
The Ka-52 in Gostomel like all Ka-52's are equipped with Vitebks L-370 TWICMS systems (Threat Warning and Integreated Counter Measure System). You can see the DIRCM "balls of steel" here on this picture.
This is from the video Airbornewolf uploaded at mark 2:20.
The display during the Video shows some interesting stuff used С-8 rockets but the right button says "ВНЕШ" and left bottom corner says "Кор" which uselly is displaying the flight mode while the right buttom corner shows the Weapon's type. Have not found with a quick search what that means. Anybody got info?
Chances are, like with the S-400 in Turkey, that there is some kind of anti tampering mechanism involved that if incase someone tries to tamper with it to gain access to what they shouldn't, it will just simply break. They can observer the hardware components all they like but it is more or less useless. Most of these type of equipment use an open source software and even if things are tampered with, it doesnt take much to make adjustments in the software to be more or less effective again. See on all the old AD and EW systems still in use today in countries like Iran and Russia and others - they are still heavily effective even though the west had full access to such systems for decades - P18 radar as an example.
This goes for western gear as well. Russians can view and verify the systems but most part, it doesn't do anything. Source code is what is important that if somehow things can be disabled by a third party in tampering with communication link but stuff like that can change rather on the fly now that it pointless. Not like the days back during the Falklands war where apparently French gave info to the brits on Argentinian weapons thus being able to somehow disable them during conflict. Although, it would have been better that the helicopter get an explosion from a guided munition afterwards.
The Ka-52 in Gostomel like all Ka-52's are equipped with Vitebks L-370 TWICMS systems (Threat Warning and Integreated Counter Measure System). You can see the DIRCM "balls of steel" here on this picture.
The display during the Video shows some interesting stuff used С-8 rockets but the right button says "ВНЕШ" and left bottom corner says "Кор" which uselly is displaying the flight mode while the right buttom corner shows the Weapon's type. Have not found with a quick search what that means. Anybody got info?
What i found by some user on DCS forums that seems to know the terminology:
"This is the top position for guided weapons: ATGM (ПС, 'противотанковые снаряды', 'anti-tank shells') and AAM (ВОЗД., 'AIR'), which are suspended on outer pylons. The remaining 3 positions (ВНЕШ., 'OUTER'; ВНУТ., 'INNER'; 4П, '4P' or '4 pylons') for unguided weapons: rocket weapons, cannon pods, bombs, etc."
I do not know the meaning of Кор. It changes to CP as soon they switch over to cannon @ 0:49 So its related to the rockets. Perhaps single or volley fire?. Ballistic computer setting?.
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Gleb Bazov @gbazov · 19h #MARIUPOL—As reported earlier, #Azov and #Ukraine|ian forces' defence in #Mariupol has been broken into 3-4 separate cauldrons: 1—#Ilyich & #Azovmash factories 2—#Azovstal metallurgical complex 3—Minor nest of #Azov on #LeftBank 4—Most importantly, the Mariupol Port.
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JohninMK wrote:Anyone else seen this. Active shortly if true. Kept hostage my foot! Let out in the dark so no photo evidence.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov · 20h #FLASH—#Russia reports that pursuant to a request from #Erdogan, at midnight, on April 3, 2022, a green corridor will be open to allow "FOREIGN NATIONALS KEPT HOSTAGE by #Ukraine|ian nationalist battalions in certain districts of #Mariupol" to proceed to #Berdyansk, then #Crimea.
Only this ridiculous withdrawal in the north east of Kyiv, completely absurd and now western agents and fuckers should flee? The AKW in Chernobyl again in Ukrainian hand? Are you crazy? There was not even air strikes on the reverse Ukrainian troops!
What or who actually says in Moscow? What's that supposed to be? If that remains so the NATO will do everything, everything to push Ukraine continues until she fucks Russia.
What the ****??? All the sanctions, all the fig western propaganda will win for nothing and nothing again. What should think the liberated people in the south and east? That the Russians will remove there and let people down again?
That's really not to be grasped! Negotiations, agreements with the West, with fascists are always !!! Not even the paper worthwhile where the ink dries!
What should the Russian soldiers think? Your victims are nothing worth if the whole thing is not taken for all times! Completely!
JohninMK wrote:Anyone else seen this. Active shortly if true. Kept hostage my foot! Let out in the dark so no photo evidence.
Gleb Bazov @gbazov · 20h #FLASH—#Russia reports that pursuant to a request from #Erdogan, at midnight, on April 3, 2022, a green corridor will be open to allow "FOREIGN NATIONALS KEPT HOSTAGE by #Ukraine|ian nationalist battalions in certain districts of #Mariupol" to proceed to #Berdyansk, then #Crimea.
Only this ridiculous withdrawal in the north east of Kyiv, completely absurd and now western agents and fuckers should flee? The AKW in Chernobyl again in Ukrainian hand? Are you crazy? There was not even air strikes on the reverse Ukrainian troops!
What or who actually says in Moscow? What's that supposed to be? If that remains so the NATO will do everything, everything to push Ukraine continues until she fucks Russia.
What the ****??? All the sanctions, all the fig western propaganda will win for nothing and nothing again. What should think the liberated people in the south and east? That the Russians will remove there and let people down again?
That's really not to be grasped! Negotiations, agreements with the West, with fascists are always !!! Not even the paper worthwhile where the ink dries!
What should the Russian soldiers think? Your victims are nothing worth if the whole thing is not taken for all times! Completely!
Criticism must also be possible here.
You aren't in charge. Most people with military knowledge understand whats happening.
They will allow Ukraine to draw out whatever it can. While I agree that those forces shouldn't have been moved out, and regarding Chernobyl I have zero idea what that was about and why but I am assuming that the Chernobyl plant has been disengaged and thus no longer a threat at all (since it was still technically providing power). But my understanding is that, as per what the Russians have said, that it was to bog down Ukrainian forces in the Kiev region until the DNR/LNR and RU forces in the east have completely cauldroned off the enemy in the area. Then they decided to move the entrenched units back to finish the job. After which, then both RU, DNR and LNR forces can concentrate west - that will free up an additional 40 - 50K troops alone from the two republics.
Now, we need to understand something here - what is shown and what is said is very limited. You guys should know a lot better but, Russia has provided extremely little info. Whatever we get is official info or info grabbed from people on the ground who are spectators or Ukrainians themselves. Since the Ukrainians will be FAR less than honest, you can take what they say and pictures they show with a grain of salt. The Su-35 claim is silly since it was indeed a two seater and Su-35 isn't a Two seater. It was a Su-27UB but undetermined if Russian or Ukrainian. But anyway, that goes for most things being said here. So how do we know for sure if Russia isn't bombing the advancing units? What was said is that there are still Russian units entrenched near Kiev region - Chechens and Russian units. But they are limited in what they can do and just hold positions. There has been artillery strikes between the two sides so we know that is what happened in the area. And if the Su-27UB was Russian, then its assumed that the Russians were indeed bombing the Ukrainian positions constantly be it in Donbass or west ward.
As for negotiations. While we do not like them, it is still Russia's way of showing they are looking at political solutions. As said by both Alex's from the Duran, Russias view of politics has been both military and speech as both arent seperate from each other. But that doesn't mean they are bowing down. We have not seen that honestly. What we have seen is Russia engaging in the eastern side of Ukraine and has taken fully Kherson region as example.
Complain all you want, but it isn't Russia losing territory - it is Ukraine. They also lost majority of their armed forces and now rely on hit and run tactics.
As for losses - Losses always exist on both sides. Russia is facing an enemy far greater than US has faced since Vietnam. Serbia didn't have much of a chance due to it being small and surrounded by enemies, neither did Iraq have much of a chance since most of its military was destroyed in First Gulf War and it was Saddams stupidity. Even US lost a lot of equipment then as well. This is a whole different conflict - fighting without actually leveling entire cities, trying to save civilians, and key strikes which unfortunately will mean lots of potential losses. Now why do they not strike their own equipment? Maybe they do. Maybe they do destroy their own equipment that needs to be destroyed and the odd equipment that doesnt - Ka-52 for example, doesnt require it. Who knows. If you think the Russian command is inept, then that is between you and them. But seeing as how they are the ones handling this situation and you aren't; add in that I am pretty certain they have experience while you do not - I would trust their judgement over yours. You may not make the same mistakes, but you may make a whole lot of other mistakes not witnessed here.
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The network writes that the SBU in the Kiev region arrests people who collaborated with the armed forces of the Russian Federation. Collaborated is a strong word. Arranged for humanitarian aid. Treatment of patients. Issuance of medicines. Passage between checkpoints.
Unfortunately, at the time of the withdrawal, I was not there. I travel between different regions. I couldn't personally follow everything. I contacted the guys who remained in place near Kiev. I was told that everyone who wanted to evacuate was offered help. Apparently not everyone left. They did not feel guilty and therefore did not consider that there was a danger.
It is obvious that in the event of a freeze on the conflict, repressions against dissenters, Russians, and opponents of the authorities will intensify by an order of magnitude. We have no right to leave now the people in Ukraine alone with this power. We have no moral right now to retreat. I hope everyone is convinced that it is no longer possible to retreat.
From a military point of view, the decision to leave Kyiv was the right one. With the political - unacceptable. We left our supporters. We made it possible to arrange a falsification near Bucha.
Corroborated by a statement from the police that they are working to find irregulars and collaborators in these areas
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/6483
Meanwhile the Ukrainian nationalist 'Botsman' deleted the video he made of Bucha a couple of days ago when Ukrainian forces first entered it (and there were no bodies in the streets) One of the men can be heard asking "Can I shoot the guys with blue armbands?"
According to Yuri Podlyaka's analysis Russian forces are evacuating both Chernigov and Sumy Oblasts. In my opinion this is consistent with unloading the humanitarian crisis onto the Kiev regime. Podlyaka was sounding the alarm a few days ago about Russia not acting enough to deal with the humanitarian crisis. Looks to me like it is not going to deal with it at all.
Another issue is the installation of military-civilian administrations in territory under Russian control. Here again Podlyaka was sounding the alarm that it is taking too long allowing other elements to fill the power vacuum. So Russia is not interested in investing in such occupation regimes in various Oblasts that acted as military feints. By contrast, in Kherson and more strategic territory with higher indigenous support, military-civilian administrations will likely be created.
Anyway, it appears to me that some sort of substantial change of plans has occurred driven by circumstances on the ground and failure of some initial assumptions. But there is no evidence to support the chicken little narratives.
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So that's that then. Fight with what you've got and your ability to move it is being eroded one railway at a time.
Spriter @spriter99880 · Apr 2 The infrastructure of the Kremenchug refinery Kolomoisky destroyed, the plant is not working. Rescuers continue to put out the fire.
Apr 2 The head of the regional military-civilian administration of Dnepropetrovsk said that as a result of the missile attack, the movement of railway transport was stopped.
This was announced by the head of the Poltava administration Dmitry Lunin.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1510326157123764226
EDIT: Refinery photo added
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With Ukraine dependent on Russia yes. There's no leaving current junta in power otherwise Putin shall already go to Hague to stand "a fair trial" in MickeyMouse tribunal
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Mar 31: Mayor of Bucha announces town 'liberated', makes no mention of atrocities. https://ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html
Apr 1/2: Azov Nazis enter Bucha https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war#scenes-of-desperation-and-death-as-the-russians-retreat-from-suburbs-outside-kyiv
Apr 3: Ukr MinDef publishes video of 'Russian' atrocities https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/0
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kvs wrote:According to Yuri Podlyaka's analysis Russian forces are evacuating both Chernigov and Sumy Oblasts. In my opinion this is consistent with unloading the humanitarian crisis onto the Kiev regime. Podlyaka was sounding the alarm a few days ago about Russia not acting enough to deal with the humanitarian crisis. Looks to me like it is not going to deal with it at all.
Another issue is the installation of military-civilian administrations in territory under Russian control. Here again Podlyaka was sounding the alarm that it is taking too long allowing other elements to fill the power vacuum. So Russia is not interested in investing in such occupation regimes in various Oblasts that acted as military feints. By contrast, in Kherson and more strategic territory with higher indigenous support, military-civilian administrations will likely be created.
Anyway, it appears to me that some sort of substantial change of plans has occurred driven by circumstances on the ground and failure of some initial assumptions. But there is no evidence to support the chicken little narratives.
Thoughts:
1. In the short term we are seeing the northern front evacuated as Russia (with Belarussian assistance) can continue to threaten Kiev from Belarus without risking casualties.
2. We are also seeing a sustained presence on the southern front and on the Eastern front. This ties down many Ukrainian divisions while also allowing for operational initiative and surprise because Ukraine has to ask, "where do the Russians strike next?"
3. We may be seeing the long game here, that is to say what Russia wants out of this war. Bottle up Ukraine west of the Dniepr, a very nice natural border and have autonomy for former Ukrainian areas east and south of the Dniepr. Ultimately a neutral Ukraine has Kiev as its capital and a rump state west and north of the Dniepr with no access to the sea, no industrial base, and no means of conducting a war of aggression.
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