Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

RTN wrote:Now that Russia's most advanced 4th gen aircraft, a Su-35 has been shot down over enemy airspace with a Soviet era BUK-I, I would hope the mandarins at Kremlin realize that they neither have the hi tech weapons nor the skilled operators that are needed to win the war in Ukraine.

About time Russia calls a cease fire and saves itself from further embarrassment.

RTN wrote:Now that Russia's most advanced 4th gen aircraft, a Su-35 has been shot down over enemy airspace with a Soviet era BUK-I, I would hope the mandarins at Kremlin realize that they neither have the hi tech weapons nor the skilled operators that are needed to win the war in Ukraine.

About time Russia calls a cease fire and saves itself from further embarrassment.

RTN wrote:Now that Russia's most advanced 4th gen aircraft, a Su-35 has been shot down over enemy airspace with a Soviet era BUK-I, I would hope the mandarins at Kremlin realize that they neither have the hi tech weapons nor the skilled operators that are needed to win the war in Ukraine.

About time Russia calls a cease fire and saves itself from further embarrassment.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Memo the Pentagon RE: shot down f15 by ground launched r73 clown

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Why don't you study up on the Buk before you sat stupid shit like this, Armchair experts who have no dam clue are annoying regardless if so west or pro russia.

ALAMO wrote:If one would ask my opinion, I suppose that Russkies won't care about Kiev at all.
And that is a kind of logical move - the population there is openly hostile, it can be easily checked on most of the presented materials out there.
Charkov will be taken.
Sumy is a question mark to me.

We have not considered one factor here, or correct me if I am wrong.

Ukraine lost several millions of its inhabitants after 2014, and millions of them left for Russia.
That was a pro-Russian population who did not accept the coup.
That alone drained the sentiments at a significant level because people were voting with their choices.
If one looks at the materials made on the ground, the area unconquered in the south and east presents a very old population. Most of the people taken out of shelters are pensioners, and old people. The proportion is really weird there, considering any normal society. That is because the younger population left. That is today's reality for Ukraine. It is a socially drained country, where the population that left hardly represents the proRussian sentiments that were wide&common 8 years ago.

RTN wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Memo the Pentagon RE: shot down f15 by ground launched r73 clown

Welcome to your circus. Will mark you down as scared and horny.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Why don't you study up on the Buk before you sat stupid shit like this, Armchair experts who have no dam clue are annoying regardless if so west or pro russia.

Maybe you can start by studying all the press briefs that Russia gave while trying to sell the Su 35. Being able to evade radar-guided surface-to-air missile like the BUK 1 was one of the selling point.

And please do try to shoot down a F18 Super Hornet or a F 35 with your BUK. We will have this discussion then.

ALAMO wrote:
What would be a gain to get a field of ruins and a few million mouths to feed?

RTN wrote:Now that Russia's most advanced 4th gen aircraft, a Su-35 has been shot down over enemy airspace with a Soviet era BUK-I, I would hope the mandarins at Kremlin realize that they neither have the hi tech weapons nor the skilled operators that are needed to win the war in Ukraine.

About time Russia calls a cease fire and saves itself from further embarrassment.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

RTN wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Memo the Pentagon RE: shot down f15 by ground launched r73 clown

Welcome to your circus. Will mark you down as scared and horny.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Why don't you study up on the Buk before you sat stupid shit like this, Armchair experts who have no dam clue are annoying regardless if so west or pro russia.

Maybe you can start by studying all the press briefs that Russia gave while trying to sell the Su 35. Being able to evade radar-guided surface-to-air missile like the BUK 1 was one of the selling point.

And please do try to shoot down a F18 Super Hornet or a F 35 with your BUK. We will have this discussion then.

Maybe you should learn something called critical thinking.

The plane has dodged many BUK shots, But no plane is guaranteed to evade every SINGLE TIME.

Eventually, one missile will hit.

"Being able to evade" doesn't translate to "Cannot ever be shot down by a missile" it simply means it has the ability to do so.

For real dude, you really just showed you have no clue what you are talking about.....and apparently don't understand English is not phrased a certain way.

Buk are fully capable of downing F-18's for F-35's well that depends on if it can get a lock,

Sujoy wrote:Russia has finally threatened the U.K with consequences if it continues to ship weapons to Ukraine. There were reports that U.K will send rocket artillery to Ukraine.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/02/ukraine-russian-ambassador-says-uk-is-escalating-war-16393892/

Hole wrote:
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Kremlin currently considering to place the large majority of unfriendly countries into a list of so-called "US protectorates", most of their diplomatic staff to be expelled from #Russia, the Russian govt will talk only with the #US about them to bypass useless intermediaries.

ALAMO wrote:
You are addressing sentiments, and I agree.
But hardly see an option to take a 2.8mln city with 200k troops.
That would be an unprecedented operation, and I find no way to proceed it with success, without turning it into rubbles.
You can easily hide a 100k defenders there, and even a freshly recruited cannon fodder can operate an RPG.
That would cost thousands of soldiers' lives, and tens of thousands of civilians along with them.
What would be a gain to get a field of ruins and a few million mouths to feed?

ALAMO wrote:

Firebird wrote:

Nope, Kiev is hugely important to many Russians.
The Mother City of the Rus. Its Russia's capital for centuries, a major centre of the orthodox church, Russian speaking and its populn have been traditionally pro Russia. Yes there has been an influx of Bandera-vermin in recent times but they can be flushed out. This wasn't a Donbass operation or a Novorossiya operation, it was about deNazifying/liberating as much of the region as possible.

Even with 8 yrs of brainwashing, decent people can be brought to their senses.
Federalisation will likely result in substantial population movements. The vermin will move West. And pro Russians will see safety outside of the Western areas. Russia can use the carrot and the stick.
Chechnya got fixed and that looked like an utter lost cause.  Same thing in the 20th century.

You are addressing sentiments, and I agree.
But hardly see an option to take a 2.8mln city with 200k troops.
That would be an unprecedented operation, and I find no way to proceed it with success, without turning it into rubbles.
You can easily hide a 100k defenders there, and even a freshly recruited cannon fodder can operate an RPG.
That would cost thousands of soldiers' lives, and tens of thousands of civilians along with them.
What would be a gain to get a field of ruins and a few million mouths to feed?

Firebird wrote:
Nope, Kiev is hugely important to many Russians.
The Mother City of the Rus. Its Russia's capital for centuries, a major centre of the orthodox church, Russian speaking and its populn have been traditionally pro Russia. Yes there has been an influx of Bandera-vermin in recent times but they can be flushed out. This wasn't a Donbass operation or a Novorossiya operation, it was about deNazifying/liberating as much of the region as possible.

Even with 8 yrs of brainwashing, decent people can be brought to their senses.
Federalisation will likely result in substantial population movements. The vermin will move West. And pro Russians will see safety outside of the Western areas. Russia can use the carrot and the stick.
Chechnya got fixed and that looked like an utter lost cause.  Same thing in the 20th century.

RTN wrote:Now that Russia's most advanced 4th gen aircraft, a Su-35 has been shot down over enemy airspace with a Soviet era BUK-I, I would hope the mandarins at Kremlin realize that they neither have the hi tech weapons nor the skilled operators that are needed to win the war in Ukraine.

About time Russia calls a cease fire and saves itself from further embarrassment.