Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

Serberus wrote:It’s being reported that the attack earlier on Klimovo was carried out by helicopters , so they are now deliberately targeting civilians in Russia. It wasn't a stray or inaccurate missile or artillery round.
Looks like another attack in Belgorod as well, don't have any details yet.
If Russia doesn’t start levelling Kiev and taking out the regime now,I doubt they ever will.

What helicopters? There should be none left at this time. Or it was recently delivered Mi-17s?

Putin and cadre haven't gone after the Kiev regime because they've strategized a different kind of war and political settlement that takes into account making deals with these people.

Their plans need those people. Those people know and take advantage of it.

Those that made those plans and strategized will be in uncomfortable territory and scrambling trying to figure out what a political solution would look like if they surgically removed the Kiev dogs top to bottom. Who do you work with to legitimize the land grabs... create the new Ukraine without x number of territories etc. I'm pretty sure the Kremlin "gnomes" have sort of taken a crack at analyzing such and haven't liked the prospects one bit due to how complicated it's.

Russia has never needed any excuse to strike the Kiev regime leadership. Big powers don't need excuses, they are more than capable of manufacturing them if a concerted effort in doing so is made. If the excuses present themselves then they're more than welcomed however.

No need to overthink it.

A "show of force" however may be in order. Just for show. Wouldn't fundamentally change their strategy. If I were to advice in this current situation and cede to the original plan in place (which I certainly don't agree with and think is incompetent and criminal). The U.S does this often.

Regular wrote:

Serberus wrote:It’s being reported that the attack earlier on Klimovo was carried out by helicopters , so they are now deliberately targeting civilians in Russia. It wasn't a stray or inaccurate missile or artillery round.
Looks like another attack in Belgorod as well, don't have any details yet.
If Russia doesn’t start levelling Kiev and taking out the regime now,I doubt they ever will.

What helicopters? There should be none left at this time. Or it was recently delivered Mi-17s?

Not sure if those involved in Belgorod oil depot attack were confirmed to have been destroyed by Russia since? Could be the same ones or they have a few still hidden.
Possibly another secret delivery. Either way they are finding ways to launch attacks on Russian territory, Russia has warned them of repercussions, now its up to Moscow to follow up on the threat.

ATLASCUB wrote:Putin and cadre haven't gone after the Kiev regime because they've strategized a different kind of war and political settlement that takes into account making deals with these people.

Their plans need those people. Those people know and take advantage of it.

Those that made those plans and strategized will be in uncomfortable territory and scrambling trying to figure out what a political solution would look like if they surgically removed the Kiev dogs top to bottom. Who do you work with to legitimize the land grabs... create the new Ukraine without x number of terrorities etc.

Russia has never needed any excuse. Big powers don't need excuses, they are more than capable of manufacturing them if a concerted effort in doing so is made. If the excuses present themselves then they're more than welcomed however.

No need to overthink it.

A "show of force" however may be in order. Just for show.

Its not about excuses, they literally stated they will go after the planners in Kiev if attacks on Russia continue, the Nazis have stepped it up since then, Moscow needs to act or should have kept their mouths shut and carried on.

Putin and cadre say a lot of things. Talk is cheap. Call me when he does (I'll be here ).
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As for the poster above me... that would require a justiciar to hold them accountable. The Ukranian people can't, the West won't, they're their useful idiots after all, and Russia refuses.... so far.

Nah... they're probing and keeping up the pressure as best they can with the cards they got. It's a calculus, not a decision made on whims. They could have lobbed a salvo of Tocha-U for example, and cause real damage. If you know the potential, and you see that the provocations are measured, then these decisions are calculated and potential consequences gamed.

Up to Russia to show them those calculations were misplaced, in their entirety.

Isos wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.


Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news

Thanks Serberus   We needed an adult in the forum to step up and quell the rioting children with some solid facts.

OK kiddies, you've had your tantrums, now wipe yer eyes, put your toys away and go to bed.  You're had a rough day....  

Actually they choosed to not modernize her so very unlikely they decide to repair her. Will be sent at garbage.

They should have always sent her in the north where it can track subs and face US carriers.

It was totally useless in the black sea.

Given that the Ukies claimed to have hit her then a suitable riposte could be urgent work, if needed, to get the main armament to work, tow her if necessary out to sea and fire a full salvo at Ukrainian targets.

Given that the Ukies claimed to have hit her then a suitable riposte could be urgent work, if needed, to get the main armament to work, tow her if necessary out to sea and fire a full salvo at Ukrainian targets.

Stupid moves like that is why this war is lasting so long. Show of force is useless in a war. Use of force is usefull.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.


Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news

Thanks Serberus   We needed an adult in the forum to step up and quell the rioting children with some solid facts.

OK kiddies, you've had your tantrums, now wipe yer eyes, put your toys away and go to bed.  You're had a rough day....  

Actually they choosed to not modernize her so very unlikely they decide to repair her. Will be sent at garbage.

They should have always sent her in the north where it can track subs and face US carriers.

It was totally useless in the black sea.

Given that the Ukies claimed to have hit her then a suitable riposte could be urgent work, if needed, to get the main armament to work, tow her if necessary out to sea and fire a full salvo at Ukrainian targets.

Those big ol' tubes hold the Sunburn/Moskit still, don't they? If so, they're not really useful for ground targets.

The Ukrainian Navy ceased to exist about 2 days into the recent conflict, so naval targets are non-existent.

ON the topic of "decision making centres".

I wonder how far Russia is from delivering a warning to Washington or similar powers.

I would guess such warnings would be coded for the understandings of "official channels" only.
The general public would be unaware of whatever goings on.

What I mean is "an Islamist attack" on a US base or similar govt facility.
Sort of "Islamist" but "not entirely Islamist".

There was talk about some US politicians wanting to ban arms shipments to Azov.
But of course Azov pretty much run the shitty shop, on behalf of Uncle Sham in Banderastan.

America always plans its "face saving" or "get outs" even before committing an atrocity like the Ukraine.

America could say "ahh well we support the American people but we are a liberal nation and Azov have become a potential hazard to our dear European partners so we will regrettably have to stop arming them". The usual lies and bullshit.

PS last year I think Russia said that if Washington made decisions for NATO members to strike from Europe at Russia, then Washington would be the target of retribution.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/463
I always have reservations about videos like this and their authenticity, but this conflict has produced some strange things indeed.
Supposedly a regime soldier selling US acquired weapons to DNR

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.


Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news

Thanks Serberus   We needed an adult in the forum to step up and quell the rioting children with some solid facts.

OK kiddies, you've had your tantrums, now wipe yer eyes, put your toys away and go to bed.  You're had a rough day....  

Actually they choosed to not modernize her so very unlikely they decide to repair her. Will be sent at garbage.

They should have always sent her in the north where it can track subs and face US carriers.

It was totally useless in the black sea.

Given that the Ukies claimed to have hit her then a suitable riposte could be urgent work, if needed, to get the main armament to work, tow her if necessary out to sea and fire a full salvo at Ukrainian targets.

Those big ol' tubes hold the Sunburn/Moskit still, don't they? If so, they're not really useful for ground targets.

The Ukrainian Navy ceased to exist about 2 days into the recent conflict, so naval targets are non-existent.

P-1000 Vulcan.

The Moskva just entered Sevastopol under her own power.

Is it possible to rule out that Ukrainians were provided with a Western missile system but have claimed it was the domestically produced Neptune P-360 to avoid Russia escalating against whatever country provided it?

I say this because certain section of the press suggests that SAAB got orders for a new RBS15 anti-ship-missiles to replace 20 RBS15 that was given to Ukraine by Poland. Poland has both ship and land based platforms for launching RBS15.

Another false flag: some park in Kharkov was hit by artillery.

Hole wrote:Another false flag: some park in Kharkov was hit by artillery.

NATzO was systematically ignoring dead civilians in the park in Donetsk. Its posturing now is rotten and meaningless.

https://t.me/mapsukraine/193

GarryB wrote:Hahahahaha... you are so funny... the Moskva has search radars and tracking radars, the search radars can detect hundreds of targets and keep track of them. The  naval version of the S-300F can track 6 targets at once while guiding 12 missiles towards those targets. In addition it has two naval OSA missiles which are effective against sea skimming subsonic missiles and drones, as well as 6 x 30mm gatling guns and 130mm guns as well, each with radar guidance and the ability to independently shoot down subsonic targets at a range of distances.

You would need a dozen incoming anti ship missiles before it even became challenging.

And despite all the early warning systems and S -300F on board Moskva still got hit, badly. A bunch of clowns on board must be running the show.

I try to take emotions out when I think about the current situation in Ukraine and when making all my posts.

But I really wish that the Russian military went hard in Ukraine, let the VKS loose.

Serberus wrote:https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/463
I always have reservations about videos like this and their authenticity, but this conflict has produced some strange things indeed.
Supposedly a regime soldier selling US acquired weapons to DNR

Camera angles Looks like a parody, no doubt this has happened especially in 2014. But why would you film and expose supplier? He could be identified in 3 seconds. Also, it's NLAW, not UK Javelin.

Most likely DNR guys making fun of Ukrainians with their trophies.