Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12

Belisarius wrote:The attempt of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through to Azovstal in Mariupol was thwarted

Up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers with equipment tried to break through to the Azovstal plant.  Thanks to the competent actions of the allied forces, the Ukrainian column did not reach the goal
https://t.me/intelslava/25404

I wonder where those 200 originated from.

Why won't the Russian MoD post photos of moskva's damage? Why are there no official updates of a criminal investigation. I heard rumors that the MoD and the Russian government won't do an investigation because nobody has the time for it during war, which is a retarded excuse. Russian morale is getting destroyed because there's no clear info on what the MoD is doing to root out incompetence.

Firebird wrote:

I think Argentina sunk a big ship the Atlantic Conveyor which was a merchant ie civil ship converted to military use.

The loss of the Atlantic Conveyor was very serious indeed, given her cargo of Harriers and Chinooks, a huge problem for our military.

Krepost wrote:KREMENCHUK has been captured in Mariopol Port:

These are fairly new boats as well, another one to collection, Russia has already captured a couple of these already, and I believe there is more to be had. Handy for the new Novorussia navy that's coming

Those are piles of junk, not worth photographing let alone using

A different take, can see why Lithuania picked this up. No ID on the Turkish ship so difficult to verify. This is a Turkish news site.

A Turkish ship has evacuated 54 personnel on board the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship cruiser Moskva, which was reportedly hit by Ukraine, Lithuania has said.

The rescue was carried out after the Russian cruiser sent out a distress call at night, a report of the Anadolu Agency citied Lithuania's Minister of National Defence Arvydas Anusauskas as saying on Thursday.

"At 1.14 am, the cruiser lay on its side, and after half an hour, all the electricity went out. From 2 am, the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3 am, Türkiye and Romania reported that the ship had completely sunk. The related loss of Russian personnel is still unknown, although there were 485 crew on board (66 of them officers)," Anusauskas said.

https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkish-ship-rescues-over-50-russian-sailors-from-naval-cruiser-moskva-56382?utm_source=other&utm_medium=rss

Ukrainian losses as of the 20:00 Russian MO briefing:

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 132 aircraft, 105 helicopters, 245 anti-aircraft missile systems, 457 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,224 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 251 multiple rocket launchers, 971 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 2,123 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Versus what the Ukrainian are reportedly admitting:

https://twitter.com/NuestraIraSLG/status/1514994993500463113?cxt=HHwWkoC5ge_6q4YqAAAA

JohninMK wrote:

Belisarius wrote:The attempt of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through to Azovstal in Mariupol was thwarted

Up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers with equipment tried to break through to the Azovstal plant.  Thanks to the competent actions of the allied forces, the Ukrainian column did not reach the goal
https://t.me/intelslava/25404

I wonder where those 200 originated from.

Apparently from within Mariupol https://twitter.com/NuestraIraSLG/status/1515011551434055691?cxt=HHwWloC5ndW-s4YqAAAA

New ships for the Black Sea Fleet this year

Mercuriy



Tsiklon




Sergey Kotov

PapaDragon wrote:
Those are piles of junk, not worth photographing let alone using

Not really a small patrol boat built in 2012 onwards isn't junk, and serves its purpose of short range patrols and harbor protection and it's free. Novorussia will have a lot of other things that will take money to fix, at least they won't have to worry about small patrol boats for now.

Specs 5 man crew, boats are armoured from small arms.
Katran-M remote-controlled naval combat module, Each turret is fitted with two 30mm automatic grenade launchers.

The armament of the boat also includes a 30mm ZTM-1 automatic gun, 7.62mm CT machine gun and laser-guided man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS).The ZTM-1 automatic gun can be fired at enemy aircraft flying at low altitudes. Also has two barrier (similar to skid) ATGW,.

An electro-optical fire control system is located atop the bridge for surveillance and monitoring of the sea surface. The boat also features a navigation radar, antenna masts and communications systems. A laser range finder is installed to detect and track targets.


Not bad for it costing nothing. I believe this is the third captured so far. And could come in handy if Ukraine decides to try anything sneaky out at sea.

JohninMK wrote:A different take, can see why Lithuania picked this up. No ID on the Turkish ship so difficult to verify. This is a Turkish news site.

A Turkish ship has evacuated 54 personnel on board the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship cruiser Moskva, which was reportedly hit by Ukraine, Lithuania has said.

The rescue was carried out after the Russian cruiser sent out a distress call at night, a report of the Anadolu Agency citied Lithuania's Minister of National Defence Arvydas Anusauskas as saying on Thursday.

"At 1.14 am, the cruiser lay on its side, and after half an hour, all the electricity went out. From 2 am, the Turkish ship evacuated 54 sailors from the cruiser, and at about 3 am, Türkiye and Romania reported that the ship had completely sunk. The related loss of Russian personnel is still unknown, although there were 485 crew on board (66 of them officers)," Anusauskas said.

https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkish-ship-rescues-over-50-russian-sailors-from-naval-cruiser-moskva-56382?utm_source=other&utm_medium=rss

Hard to believe Turks would have been able to refrain from posting pics already if true.

Military operation in Ukraine
15 Apr, 20:33, Updated 21:00

The Ministry of Defense announced the upcoming strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Tochka-U" on refugees at the train station in Lozovaya

The department noted that tactical missiles "Tochka-U" are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces




MOSCOW, 15 April. /TASS/. The Kyiv regime is preparing another provocation to accuse the Russian military, for this purpose, in the near future, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strike with the Tochka-U complex on the accumulation of refugees at the railway station in the village of Lozovaya. This was announced on Friday by the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev.

"According to available reliable information, the Kyiv regime is preparing another monstrous provocation, similar to the one carried out in Kramatorsk, to accuse the military of the Russian Federation of so-called war crimes with the mass destruction of civilians. To this end, in the near future, a division of the 19th separate missile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strike complex "Tochka-U" for the accumulation of refugees at the railway station in the village of Lozovaya," said Mizintsev, who heads the interdepartmental coordination headquarters of the Russian Federation for humanitarian response in Ukraine.

He said that in order to simulate a strike allegedly from the territory controlled by the Russian Armed Forces and the DPR formations, missiles would be launched from the side of the Staromikhaylovka settlement.

Mizintsev stressed that Tochka-U tactical missiles are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.

The general also noted that the Russian military has an operational evidence base about impending crimes.

"We warn the countries of the so-called civilized West, led by the United States, in advance that the Russian Federation has an operational evidence base about the upcoming terrible crimes of the Kiev regime," Mizintsev said.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14391471

Well we'll find out soon enough

Night 1 the Russian MoD reported that the ship was damaged, but that the crew was being evacuated
Night 2 the MoD said it had sunk, but that the crew was evacuated
Night 3 the MoD will say that most of the crew drowned?

Just drip-feeding bad news instead of admitting everything outright out of fear of enraging the population? Quite possible

It's also quite possible this is a psy-op.

flamming_python wrote:Well we'll find out soon enough

Night 1 the Russian MoD reported that the ship was damaged, but that the crew was being evacuated
Night 2 the MoD said it had sunk, but that the crew was evacuated
Night 3 the MoD will say that most of the crew drowned?

Just drip-feeding bad news instead of admitting everything outright out of fear of enraging the population? Quite possible

It's also quite possible this is a psy-op.

Night 4; you get a military call-up and go to military exercises.

I've still not seen, or heard an official MOD statement regarding the Moskva.
Plenty from RIA,Sputnik and RT, but have yet to see ANYTHING resembling the MOD themselves saying it's been sunk?
If someone has something, please link me to it, as this is...odd.

limb wrote:Why won't the Russian MoD post photos of moskva's damage? Why are there no official updates of a criminal investigation. I heard rumors that the MoD and the Russian government won't do an investigation because nobody has the time for it during war, which is a retarded excuse. Russian morale is getting destroyed because there's no clear info on what the MoD is doing to root out incompetence.

Dude, how long do you think it takes to interview the crew and gather up a picture of what might have happened.

limb wrote:Why won't the Russian MoD post photos of moskva's damage? Why are there no official updates of a criminal investigation. I heard rumors that the MoD and the Russian government won't do an investigation because nobody has the time for it during war, which is a retarded excuse. Russian morale is getting destroyed because there's no clear info on what the MoD is doing to root out incompetence.

Were you and Flamming Python in Donbas and you know that the morale of the Russian army has fallen ?
Sit in front of that computer of yours and don't fart into space.

an actual non foaming at the mouth article about Bucha

Podlodka77 wrote:

limb wrote:Why won't the Russian MoD post photos of moskva's damage? Why are there no official updates of a criminal investigation. I heard rumors that the MoD and the Russian government won't do an investigation because nobody has the time for it during war, which is a retarded excuse. Russian morale is getting destroyed because there's no clear info on what the MoD is doing to root out incompetence.

Were you and Flamming Python in Donbas and you know that the morale of the Russian army has fallen ?
Sit in front of that computer of yours and don't fart into space.

Actually loosing a big ship will boost russian soldier's moral since it will seak for revenge.

Boshoed wrote:I've still not seen, or heard an official MOD statement regarding the Moskva.
Plenty from RIA,Sputnik and RT, but have yet to see ANYTHING resembling the MOD themselves saying it's been sunk?
If someone has something, please link me to it, as this is...odd.

No news is bad news. Although the MoD doesn't have a habit of commenting about losses

We have two versions; either the ship on the night of the impact and thus most of the crew likely drowned; which one initial report suggested (although it also implied the crew was evacuated), the Ukrainian account by implication, and now the Lithuanian/NATO one
Or the ship took some time to sink, which meant the majority of crew was evacuated; which the MoD report suggested as well as the initial American one

Personally I don't want to speculate, we'll find out sooner or later.

flamming_python wrote:

Boshoed wrote:I've still not seen, or heard an official MOD statement regarding the Moskva.
Plenty from RIA,Sputnik and RT, but have yet to see ANYTHING resembling the MOD themselves saying it's been sunk?
If someone has something, please link me to it, as this is...odd.

No news is bad news. Although the MoD doesn't have a habit of commenting about losses

We have two versions; either the ship on the night of the impact and thus most of the crew likely drowned; which one initial report suggested (although it also implied the crew was evacuated), the Ukrainian account by implication, and now the Lithuanian/NATO one
Or the ship took some time to sink, which meant the majority of crew was evacuated; which the MoD report suggested as well as the initial American one

Personally I don't want to speculate, we'll find out sooner or later.

Every man must first believe in victory! I don't see that in you. It is obvious that you are not a fighter and you surrender quickly.. Half of your announcements are related to the Russian government, as well as that it does everything wrong, etc.
The whole West is against Russia and Russia has patience and is conducting a special military operation. There are mistakes, war is not a computer program.

Has anyone heard from Auslander recently?
Is he okay?

Podlodka77 wrote:

Night 4; you get a military call-up and go to military exercises.

If there will be mobilization, then reservists will need help with the gear. It would break my heart to see guys in old and shitty equipment.

If shtf, I hope voenotorgs will provide the best gear to reservists as this would only be fair. Voin uniforms, kiver helmets and etc.

Flamming Python, don't get me wrong because I didn't mean to offend you. I believe that it is difficult for you to bear every Russian loss, and BELIEVE ME IT IS THE SAME WITH US WHO ARE NOT RUSSIANS, BUT WE WISH GOOD TO RUSSIA. However, there is NO SURRENDER UNTIL WE BREAK BANDERISTAN IN PIECES !
The match lasts until the referee blows the whistle !

Podlodka77 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Boshoed wrote:I've still not seen, or heard an official MOD statement regarding the Moskva.
Plenty from RIA,Sputnik and RT, but have yet to see ANYTHING resembling the MOD themselves saying it's been sunk?
If someone has something, please link me to it, as this is...odd.

No news is bad news. Although the MoD doesn't have a habit of commenting about losses

We have two versions; either the ship on the night of the impact and thus most of the crew likely drowned; which one initial report suggested (although it also implied the crew was evacuated), the Ukrainian account by implication, and now the Lithuanian/NATO one
Or the ship took some time to sink, which meant the majority of crew was evacuated; which the MoD report suggested as well as the initial American one

Personally I don't want to speculate, we'll find out sooner or later.

Every man must first believe in victory! I don't see that in you. It is obvious that you are not a fighter and you surrender quickly.. Half of your announcements are related to the Russian government, as well as that it does everything wrong, etc.
The whole West is against Russia and Russia has patience and is conducting a special military operation. There are mistakes, war is not a computer program.

Whatever version is true it changes nothing. The mistakes have already been made and its already in the past, regardless of whether we lost the ship and 40 men, or the ship and 400 men.

The operation will have to continue anyway. It's a war and losses are inevitable.

And I do believe in victory, because yes it's an existential war and there's no turning back.
But to achieve victory at a lesser cost rather than a greater one, it's again important to set yourself apart from the other side. The other side is dishonest. Therefore the Russian side has to be honest, so that people will believe its accounts, whether on this, or its denial of any involvement in Bucha, Kramatorsk, or anything else. This is critical.
I hope the MoD is being honest this time. If it isn't, then I can see why, the Russian population is an emotional one - but in my mind it would be yet another misjudgment.