Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

Mir wrote:

Erk wrote:
https://southfront.org/russian-led-forces-suffer-heavy-losses-attempting-to-cross-river-in-bilohorivka-lpr-photos/

One of the pictures show a MTLB ambulance. It does appear to be the Ukrainian version with the raised roof >>
The Russians don't seem to use this particular version.

I think the Ukrs just added a few props to the scene?

Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO couldn't beat Russia on any battlefield thus far they have encountered each other

The same trio of clowns US UK And France who faced Russia in Syria couldn't hold onto East Bank of Euphrates , Qamishli or Raqqah

The US barely held onto AL Tanf

In Libya the wagner group stopped the GNA cold and a regiment of su24 stopped the NATO supported forces from leaving Tripoli

In CAR and Mali, Wagner pushed out Barkhane French forces

So where has NATO won even one single engagement against Russia?

In Ukraine, Russia is decimating a 700,000 NATO equipped and trained force which was mobilized, trained and armed by NATO standard

In reality it doesn't look good for NATO at all

To this day, we haven't seen one successful campaign conducted by NATO against Russia

NATO fanboys cling to fantasy and propaganda , but stay silent on Libya, Syria, and Ukraine

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO couldn't beat Russia on any battlefield thus far they have encountered each other

The same trio of clowns US UK And France who faced Russia in Syria couldn't hold onto East Bank of Euphrates , Qamishli or Raqqah

The US barely held onto AL Tanf

In Libya the wagner group stopped the GNA cold and a regiment of su24 stopped the NATO supported forces from leaving Tripoli

In CAR and Mali, Wagner pushed out Barkhane French forces

So where has NATO won even one single engagement against Russia?

In Ukraine, Russia is decimating a 700,000 NATO equipped and trained force which was mobilized, trained and armed by NATO standard

In reality it doesn't look good for NATO at all

To this day, we haven't seen one successful campaign conducted by NATO against Russia

NATO fanboys cling to fantasy and propaganda , but stay silent on Libya, Syria, and Ukraine

Bro, i understand that you are Russian, but tone it down a little. You're going from state of complete exuberance to utter defeatism and back.

Podlodka77 wrote:The pictures with the destroyed infantry fighting vehicles near Belogorovka are accurate and Juri Podolyaka (he is quite angry) also spoke about it. The complete battalion set with 73 units of military equipment was destroyed.

ALAMO wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:The pictures with the destroyed infantry fighting vehicles near Belogorovka are accurate and Juri Podolyaka (he is quite angry) also spoke about it. The complete battalion set with 73 units of military equipment was destroyed.

As I said, and Mir pointed - there are clear suggestions that the whole scene is either staged, or Ukrainian.
I have missed that MTLB, but it looks certainly Ukrainian, and the B3 looks indeed the same that was sunk with all hands early in the war.

flamming_python wrote:

Mir wrote:

Erk wrote:
https://southfront.org/russian-led-forces-suffer-heavy-losses-attempting-to-cross-river-in-bilohorivka-lpr-photos/

One of the pictures show a MTLB ambulance. It does appear to be the Ukrainian version with the raised roof >>
The Russians don't seem to use this particular version.

I think the Ukrs just added a few props to the scene?

Yeah I'm not exactly convinced as yet

I mean losing an entire battalion like that. Not bad. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

We've seen doctored satellite images already, with the Bucha 'massacre', where the bodies - very much fresh BTW, were apparently lying in the street 2 weeks ago already before the Russian withdrawal from the town.

So yeah. Some Russian military correspondents or commentators believe its true, but they weren't there. We'll have to wait for further details.

New "stupid ford". Who was defeated at the crossing over the Seversky Donets?

A series of photos with mountains of broken vehicles next to the crossing over the Seversky Donets caused a flurry of discussions. The Ukrainian side is celebrating yet another victory on Twitter, Momkin OSINT is painstakingly counting the wreckage, and (pro)Russian observers are gloomy. In general, it's time to uncover your favorite flugegeheimen and get down to business.

First, let's repeat the basics:

1) A photo and a short video without reference to a date is a “fly in amber”, we do not know what happened before and what happened after the moment of shooting.

2) We also don't know how long it took for what was left on the shoot.

3) Both sides use a similar set of military equipment. It is difficult, and often impossible, to determine the ownership of a particular machine from the available photos and videos.

4) As we wrote in the manual for mom's OSINT analyst, the parties have already managed to exchange equipment several times, which only confuses observers

5) The Ukrainian side and partly the western party of observers (which began to consider burned equipment) have a strong confirmation bias by default. But some details they deliberately or out of ignorance ignore.

Armed with this by no means sensational, but useful knowledge, let's start studying the materials.

We will not thoroughly dig into each piece of equipment, but we will consider the most important.


Already in Photo 1, we can notice very strange things (tm), namely the wreckage of the BMP-1 (1, 2 and 4) and the towers still torn off by the detonation of the ammo and also from the BMP-1 (3 and 6)

Another curious exhibit is 5, which we identified as the BTR-D.

BTR-Ds are used by the Russian Airborne Forces, but the Ukrainian airmobile and ground forces also have them. Also, armored personnel carriers of this type fell into the forces of the LDNR as trophies.

But with the BMP-1 everything is more interesting. The Russian army no longer uses the basic version of the BMP-1. It uses the BMP-1AM "Basurmanin" and BRM-1K, but both vehicles differ in the fighting compartment, and here are clearly small single-man towers of the good old "penny".

The BMP-1 is in service with the people's militia of the LPR and DPR.

Let's go to the next slide.


What do we see in this photo? (WITH)

First, a whole horde of BMP-1s. Numbers 6, 7, 11, 12, 20, 21, 15, 16 and 19 are uniquely identified. Around 12 you can see the turret. Nine pieces, plus three on the previous frame. Twelve "kopecks". Yes, number 6 is a BMP-1, it is better seen in another frame.

It is no longer possible to say about an accidental trophy that the Russian troops “picked up”.

The pearl of this frame is number 10, which with a high degree of probability is nothing more than a Ukrainian “armored medic” based on MT-LB, namely MT-LB S, supplied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine since 2015. According to open data, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have about 70 machines of this type, which is not such a rarity.

Nine is a clear old “motorcycle league”, which has a small turret.

Numbers 8, 13, 17, 18 and 14 are defined worse. Most likely these are vehicles of the MT-LB family, number 13 even has a small turret.

Next slide.


We continue to count the BMP-1.

Numbers 23, 25, 27, 28, 29 and 30. Twelve "kopecks" plus six more, already eighteen! Too many to be a coincidence.

As a bonus, there was a “moto-league”, number 22.

Further.


We continue to count "penny" (is it really fun with us?)

Numbers 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 41. Already 25 counted!

Moreover, numbers 41, 31 and 35 have clearly visible badges "O", which indicates belonging to the allied forces, but does not explain why such badges are not applied to all vehicles.

Number 36 - again MT-LB and it seems that he also threw a tower.

Number 38 is unclear.

Numbers 39 and 40 are T-72 tanks, possibly B. Moreover, the vehicles do not look damaged. However, this is not news. For both sides of the conflict, the most pain and humiliation is experienced by the "light" armor of the Soviet design - infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MT-LB and BRDM.


And from this place in more detail.

Number 42 is a Kamaz 8x8 with a pontoon, it is difficult to confuse its belonging.

Number 43 is similar to the PTS, numbers 44 to 47 are different elements of the pontoon-bridge park, and similar parks (for example, PMP-60 are also used by Ukrainians), the unloaded links are difficult to distinguish.

48 and 49 are BMK tugboats.

Well, we have collected enough data. Let's move on to conclusions.

1) According to the composition of the burned equipment, we see the presence of the Russian and Ukrainian armies, as well as the forces of the LPR or DPR. It will no longer be possible to write down the whole bunch in Russian losses.

2) As you can see from photo 5, the path is well-trodden there, which is understandable. After the explosion of the bridges, such a convenient crossing point could not be ignored by both sides.

3) Thus, we are approaching the most probable version of what happened at the crossing in the Belogorovka area. The place of crossing fell in love with both sides. And, at first, the Ukrainians raked there, but the Russian (allied) forces also suffered losses during the crossing.

4) The “mix” of equipment and its condition indicate that the parties fought for the crossing for some time (perhaps about a week) until it passed into the hands of the allied forces.

5) This is also indicated by Ukrainian photos and videos taken from a respectful distance. The crossing is clearly not under the control of the Ukrainian forces, otherwise we would have been flooded with materials with hopak on the bones and broken equipment. They have a known tendency to tik-tok wins.

6) By the way, the bodies are not visible, which indicates that one of the parties had the opportunity to take them out.

7) Another curious detail. The General Staff of Ukraine stated that on the evening of May 11, “The enemy is trying to seize positions on the right bank”, and by the next morning “the enemy had crossed the river Siversky Donets for an offensive”.

Later there were reports that the Russian troops not only did not retreat from the area, but also expand the bridgehead. It is difficult to say how true this is now, but on May 11, judging by the published satellite images, the crossing over the Seversky Donets stopped.

So the victory somehow immediately ceases to bloom and smell, and begins to smell like something else.

caveat emptor wrote:
I will make a last comment about this. Many vehicles seem abandoned and not destroyed, so i think that soldiers on the ground saw that they couldn't break out of the bridgehead like that and they left them and continued to fight on foot.

flamming_python wrote:An analysis of the Belogorovka images

https://greatwarchannel.medium.com/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0-922630a9ab71

Azi wrote:

It shows clearly that here was a battle raging and not some kind of artillery strike that devasted a whole BTG.

ALAMO wrote:

Azi wrote:

It shows clearly that here was a battle raging and not some kind of artillery strike that devasted a whole BTG.

It is even worse than that.
The official nazi narration is, that the Russkies are trying to cross the river on multiple attempts, but all are bitten off.
This is how the fat font themes sound in Polish shitstream. "we are killing them, but they are still coming!" ...
Stupid commanders, cannon fodder, lack of care for own soldiers' lives ...
The whole narrative is just a sequel of well know WW2 propaganda, when nazis "fought waste hordes of Huns", while in reality, the forces were equal on the whole front, only the Soviets managed to establish a local advantage due to better operational skills ...

However, this is not news. For both sides of the conflict, the most pain and humiliation is experienced by the "light" armor of the Soviet design - infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MT-LB and BRDM.

caveat emptor wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:The pictures with the destroyed infantry fighting vehicles near Belogorovka are accurate and Juri Podolyaka (he is quite angry) also spoke about it. The complete battalion set with 73 units of military equipment was destroyed.

As I said, and Mir pointed - there are clear suggestions that the whole scene is either staged, or Ukrainian.
I have missed that MTLB, but it looks certainly Ukrainian, and the B3 looks indeed the same that was sunk with all hands early in the war.

I will make a last comment about this. Many vehicles seem abandoned and not destroyed, so i think that soldiers on the ground saw that they couldn't break out of the bridgehead like that and they left them and continued to fight on foot.

ALAMO wrote:

Azi wrote:

It shows clearly that here was a battle raging and not some kind of artillery strike that devasted a whole BTG.

It is even worse than that.
The official nazi narration is, that the Russkies are trying to cross the river on multiple attempts, but all are bitten off.
This is how the fat font themes sound in Polish shitstream. "we are killing them, but they are still coming!" ...
Stupid commanders, cannon fodder, lack of care for own soldiers' lives ...
The whole narrative is just a sequel of well know WW2 propaganda, when nazis "fought waste hordes of Huns", while in reality, the forces were equal on the whole front, only the Soviets managed to establish a local advantage due to better operational skills ...

Podlodka77 wrote:
What you think or what I think doesn't matter at all. Yuri Podolyaka is the most watched and most wanted Russian blogger when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, and he himself says that all those Russian vehicles were destroyed - 73 vehicles in total. He also says in that video link that the Russian army also has catastrophic problems with night sights, lack of combat drones, etc.

flamming_python wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:
What you think or what I think doesn't matter at all. Yuri Podolyaka is the most watched and most wanted Russian blogger when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, and he himself says that all those Russian vehicles were destroyed - 73 vehicles in total. He also says in that video link that the Russian army also has catastrophic problems with night sights, lack of combat drones, etc.

Wouldn't be the first time Podolyaka fell for an Ukro fake

I remember when the Moskva was sunk he said that it's captain was killed too. Which turned out to be Ukrainian misinformation, which was only published on Ukrainian sites

Podolyaka is a man with no military experience who tries to create summaries of military events and advances on his channel with the various sources at his disposal. All things considered he does an admirable job, but many people with a better military understanding do and have criticized his videos.
And falling for an Ukro agitprop is humiliating really. Podolyaka should have more sense; everything coming out of there is to be take as fake by default, until proven true in a court of law.
I hope he comes across these new materials and analysis and corrects his hasty assumptions on his next vid.

flamming_python wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:
What you think or what I think doesn't matter at all. Yuri Podolyaka is the most watched and most wanted Russian blogger when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, and he himself says that all those Russian vehicles were destroyed - 73 vehicles in total. He also says in that video link that the Russian army also has catastrophic problems with night sights, lack of combat drones, etc.

Wouldn't be the first time Podolyaka fell for an Ukro fake

I remember when the Moskva was sunk he said that it's captain was killed too. Which turned out to be Ukrainian misinformation, which was only published on Ukrainian sites

Podolyaka is a man with no military experience who tries to create summaries of military events and advances on his channel with the various sources at his disposal. All things considered he does an admirable job, but many people with a better military understanding do and have criticized his videos.
And falling for an Ukro agitprop is humiliating really. Podolyaka should have more sense; everything coming out of there is to be take as fake by default, until proven true in a court of law.
I hope he comes across these new materials and analysis and corrects his hasty assumptions on his next vid.

Podlodka77 wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:The pictures with the destroyed infantry fighting vehicles near Belogorovka are accurate and Juri Podolyaka (he is quite angry) also spoke about it. The complete battalion set with 73 units of military equipment was destroyed.

As I said, and Mir pointed - there are clear suggestions that the whole scene is either staged, or Ukrainian.
I have missed that MTLB, but it looks certainly Ukrainian, and the B3 looks indeed the same that was sunk with all hands early in the war.

I will make a last comment about this. Many vehicles seem abandoned and not destroyed, so i think that soldiers on the ground saw that they couldn't break out of the bridgehead like that and they left them and continued to fight on foot.

What you think or what I think doesn't matter at all. Yuri Podolyaka is the most watched and most wanted Russian blogger when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, and he himself says that all those Russian vehicles were destroyed - 73 vehicles in total. He also says in that video link that the Russian army also has catastrophic problems with night sights, lack of combat drones, etc. All these are not my words but the words of Yuri Podolyaka.