Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Kiko wrote:In addition to identify and expose high-ranking NATO officers among the ordinary disguised Ukr POWs,  the hardest task shall be with the ordinary merc-disguised ones. Unless Russia's GRU has a full list of military high-ranking officers of all NATO countries.

It would be a great victory for allied forces if they were detected, identified and exposed.

Just ask them to speak russian or ukrainian and watch the level and accent... pretty easy to find foreigners.

But it's better for them if russia tells it catched them because if they don't those guys will never come back to their country, neither alive nor dead.

Actually the best would have been if they made a video saying they surrender. Now Russia can say none was find and send them for a trip to Siberia. Or lie on the number so that they prove nato involvement with the nazis and keep the rest in Siberia. This way they have their revenge and can't be sued for their death since officialy nato never sent any troop and Russia trialed officially the two or three they show on TV. Nato if it wants to save the rest will have to admit their involvement and beg Russia for their return which won't happeb.

But a more likely scenario is that all the foreigners were killed by ukraine on order from abroad... no body no proof.

Sujoy wrote:After suffering back to back defeats in Afghanistan and Ukraine. After having failed to kill as many people as they wanted to by spreading coronavirus the West (led by U.K) is now spreading a more dangerous bio weapon - monkey pox

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61532083

Of course the West wants to target Russia with this bio weapon. Russia should seal its borders immediately else the West will use citizens of Asian and African countries to spread this disease in Russia.

Money Pox is not something new, Russian health officials have said that people in Russia were vaccinated against this in the 1980's.

Russia has the vaccine for this for a while, if we believe what the Russian health officials are saying and I have no reason not to believe them.

par far wrote:

Sujoy wrote:After suffering back to back defeats in Afghanistan and Ukraine. After having failed to kill as many people as they wanted to by spreading coronavirus the West (led by U.K) is now spreading a more dangerous bio weapon - monkey pox

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61532083

Of course the West wants to target Russia with this bio weapon. Russia should seal its borders immediately else the West will use citizens of Asian and African countries to spread this disease in Russia.

Money Pox is not something new, Russian health officials have said that people in Russia were vaccinated against this in the 1980's.

Russia has the vaccine for this for a while, if we believe what the Russian health officials are saying and I have no reason not to believe them.

It may be another "covid" in the sense that it is a lab produced variant of the original. Regardless, the NATzO fake stream media will get
all the lemmings in a frenzy of fear. More lockdowns and forced vaccinations. This is the Brave New World of the west. I think perpetual
war is part of the plan.

Ukes get nailed by counter battery fire above. This artillery piece is automatic. Any idea what gun it is?

Podlodka77 wrote:One of the few types of missiles that has not yet been used in a special military operation is the 9M370 Burevestnik..

It will not be used, of course, because it is a nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed missile.
All 7 weapons systems that Putin first mentioned in March 2018 have already entered operational use or will enter soon. In use ; Avangard hypersonic maneuverable nuclear warhead, H47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic air-launched missile, S-500 "Prometheus", laser weapon "Peresvet". The "Poseidon" nuclear torpedo will soon join them this year, when the submarine K-329 "Belgorod" will be handed over on the Day of the Russian Navy. As for the RS-28 "Sarmat", everything is clear and that heavy ICBM missile is sure to enter operational use. The only weapon that Putin did not mention at the time was the 3M22 "Zircon", which is also close to operational status. Only "Burevestnik" remains ..

So, all that remains is for "Burevestnik" to hit Ukraine. Just kidding...

Gotta say I'm growing suspicious of the people who call for Russia to nuke the Ukraine, to commit war-crimes by executing prisoners, and all those kind of things.

Just whose side are you all on?

mnztr wrote:

Ukes get nailed by counter battery fire above. This artillery piece is automatic. Any idea what gun it is?

It's a Vasilek 82mm automatic mortar

Nice little piece

par far wrote:

Sujoy wrote:After suffering back to back defeats in Afghanistan and Ukraine. After having failed to kill as many people as they wanted to by spreading coronavirus the West (led by U.K) is now spreading a more dangerous bio weapon - monkey pox

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61532083

Of course the West wants to target Russia with this bio weapon. Russia should seal its borders immediately else the West will use citizens of Asian and African countries to spread this disease in Russia.

Money Pox is not something new, Russian health officials have said that people in Russia were vaccinated against this in the 1980's.

Russia has the vaccine for this for a while, if we believe what the Russian health officials are saying and I have no reason not to believe them.

Not sure if that was a typo, but if it was not, 10/10 for subtle pun and made me laugh.

So US gonna send Patriot for real, apparently.  The quickest is perhaps just to transfer one they already deployed in Poland. Maybe Ukrainians also trained there too.

the PAC-2GEM-T and PAC-3 is roughly comparable to S-300PM and Favorit and bit on the shorter end vs S-400's.  While ERINT is comparable to 9M96 family with roughly same range of 120-150 km.  It may not prevent Russian cruise missiles but it can certainly be potent threat for Russian manned aircrafts.  If it deployed in Odessa it may threaten A-50U deployed there and forcing it to get out of range, Thus opening a corridor for whatever left of Ukrainian navy.

These are examples of Patriot radar envelope in some Ukrainian cities.  Can't really say tho where they would deploy it. So i basically pick airbase as it most likely to provide flat ground and wide Field of view.

Odessa.



Kharkov



Kiev



Lviv



Dnpropetrovsk




They have problems and gaps for low fliers but high fliers at least 5000 m altitude may require jammer or ARM support. Well those Su-34 slinging SAP-14 and Tarantul pod would be busy soon.

Stealthflanker wrote:So US gonna send Patriot for real, apparently.  The quickest is perhaps just to transfer one they already deployed in Poland. Maybe Ukrainians also trained there too.

the PAC-2GEM-T and PAC-3 is roughly comparable to S-300PM and Favorit and bit on the shorter end vs S-400's.  While ERINT is comparable to 9M96 family with roughly same range of 120-150 km.  It may not prevent Russian cruise missiles but it can certainly be potent threat for Russian manned aircrafts.  If it deployed in Odessa it may threaten A-50U deployed there and forcing it to get out of range, Thus opening a corridor for whatever left of Ukrainian navy.

Kh-22/32 or Kinzhal? Iskanders? Onyx?

par far wrote:

Sujoy wrote:After suffering back to back defeats in Afghanistan and Ukraine. After having failed to kill as many people as they wanted to by spreading coronavirus the West (led by U.K) is now spreading a more dangerous bio weapon - monkey pox

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61532083

Of course the West wants to target Russia with this bio weapon. Russia should seal its borders immediately else the West will use citizens of Asian and African countries to spread this disease in Russia.

Money Pox is not something new, Russian health officials have said that people in Russia were vaccinated against this in the 1980's.

Russia has the vaccine for this for a while, if we believe what the Russian health officials are saying and I have no reason not to believe them.

The normal Smallpox/Cowpox vaccine works for Monkeypox

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:So US gonna send Patriot for real, apparently.  The quickest is perhaps just to transfer one they already deployed in Poland. Maybe Ukrainians also trained there too.

the PAC-2GEM-T and PAC-3 is roughly comparable to S-300PM and Favorit and bit on the shorter end vs S-400's.  While ERINT is comparable to 9M96 family with roughly same range of 120-150 km.  It may not prevent Russian cruise missiles but it can certainly be potent threat for Russian manned aircrafts.  If it deployed in Odessa it may threaten A-50U deployed there and forcing it to get out of range, Thus opening a corridor for whatever left of Ukrainian navy.

Kh-22/32 or Kinzhal? Iskanders? Onyx?

Taking it out enroute or during deployment to prevent the US getting any more sensitive info about Iskander launches. Probably the real reason why they're even bothering with it

flamming_python wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:So US gonna send Patriot for real, apparently.  The quickest is perhaps just to transfer one they already deployed in Poland. Maybe Ukrainians also trained there too.

the PAC-2GEM-T and PAC-3 is roughly comparable to S-300PM and Favorit and bit on the shorter end vs S-400's.  While ERINT is comparable to 9M96 family with roughly same range of 120-150 km.  It may not prevent Russian cruise missiles but it can certainly be potent threat for Russian manned aircrafts.  If it deployed in Odessa it may threaten A-50U deployed there and forcing it to get out of range, Thus opening a corridor for whatever left of Ukrainian navy.

Kh-22/32 or Kinzhal? Iskanders? Onyx?

Taking it out enroute or during deployment to prevent the US getting any more sensitive info about Iskander launches. Probably the real reason why they're even bothering with it

Thats why they should just use older cruise missiles instead. Or Drones.

mnztr wrote:MzuunnRuVjw

Ukes get nailed by counter battery fire above.

Reminds me of a Russian commercial from the 1990s making fun of the USSR where a worker in digging a hole and a
manager is dancing around him telling him to work harder. Here we have one gun operator and one round fetcher and
some clown "officer" standing around making commentary for the video. His comment basically boils down to the
"moskals are getting hit". He wouldn't know and the video shows us a glimpse into the reality on the ground.

If I was Putin I'd jump on Odessa. Do a semi mobilization and just jump on it. The main reason is that too much time before they get there is giving too much time for neocons to think of stupid ideas. There are too many lunatics in the US with dumb ideas. They are already talking about anti ship missiles.

Everyone assumes Odessa will be difficult but the first one is always the hardest. It wont be as bad as Mariupol.

For context though, it took the US coalition 2 tries and 75 days to take Fallujah in 2004, after "mission accomplished". It took Russia around 80 days to take Mariupol.

Does anyone know any YT channels that show Russian war clips ? My guy just got suspended

Eugenio Argentina wrote:

LMFS wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Until now, I did not find any reliable sources about the use of this aircraft in Ukraine.
Only the report that appears mentioning the Russian agency TASS.
I looked on your page, but I couldn't find the news.
With respect to the "analysts" of the networks, I have a lot of mistrust, especially those of YouTube.
Therefore, this news only remains a rumor with very little foundation.

"Sources" in TASS are government sanctioned disclosure by other name. It does make a lot of sense to use the conflict as a way to test weapons and I think it is pretty safe to assume the Su-57 is not an exception, specially now that the operational concepts and tactics are being laid to integrate it the VKS. About Youtube videos, they are pure clickbait. The only news available is what appeared in TASS and no smartass in the internet is going to disclose anything of worth beyond that.

I looked for the news on your page of the Russian agency TASS, but I did not find it.
The only thing I saw is a comment from the ANNA News agency, which is the one that names TASS.
Beyond personal opinions, I am not aware of any official reports on the use of the Su-57 in Ukraine.
That's what I mean.
Everything else is speculation, which may have more or less success, but it does not go beyond that.

This is a screengrab from a video early in the war. It looks like an su 57 to me. Ill find the video but it also sounded like it

Backman wrote " If I was Putin I'd jump on Odessa. Do a semi mobilization and just jump on it. The main reason is that too much time before they get there is giving too much time for neocons to think of stupid ideas. There are too many lunatics in the US with dumb ideas. They are already talking about anti ship missiles. " Agree . One disadvantage of taking a great time , with settling this problem , by slow advances , is that , it could spread and turn out into direct war with US and UK . Retarded as their leaders are , I think Russia should negotiate with them and not Jellyinsky .

The best plan is to partition Ukraine into East and West region by negotiation now . The East a Russian speaking region , integrated into Russia economic sphere . The West , a US / Euro zone for Ukraine speakers . Allowances for division of water and mineral resources etc , and an undertaking , not to station nukes in either region . Problem solved . Peace ! And I get to eat my fish and chips again .

Also, why I am not surprised that some Ukrainian crazies are already blaming Russia.

When Russia started occupying territory with US bio weapon labs the US started squealing about the potential of bio weapons attacks by Russia using the things they found in US labs...

Russians are idiots when it comes to bio weapons while the US are experts of course.

Ukraine doesn't block gas supplies- the RF cut them off only after her $ were frozen in the West & for non-payment.

The Ukraine has currently blocked the gas coming through the Donbass region.

From posted pics, it looks like Mi-24/35s r used as convoy escorts, not for ground attack;

To protect convoys they would need to be able to attack ground targets... and foiling ambushes would be a very valuable role for any aircraft type.

in this air show, Ka-52 is the star now.

Western BS, Ka-52 is a helicopter doing its job, just like their other helicopters.

not a war, but ideally it should be called local limited preventive war.

Preemptive self defence.

Ukes get nailed by counter battery fire above. This artillery piece is automatic. Any idea what gun it is?

Vasilek 82mm automatic mortar...

It's a Vasilek 82mm automatic mortar

Nice little piece

With a properly trained team it would have fired and been gone well before any enemy rounds hit the ground...

If I was Putin I'd jump on Odessa.

Western responses are clearly acts of desperation, no need to change the tempo now... just keep getting the job done... things are actually going rather well for Russia... why change tactics now?

Backman wrote:If I was Putin I'd jump on Odessa. Do a semi mobilization and just jump on it. The main reason is that too much time before they get there is giving too much time for neocons to think of stupid ideas. There are too many lunatics in the US with dumb ideas. They are already talking about anti ship missiles.

Everyone assumes Odessa will be difficult but the first one is always the hardest. It wont be as bad as Mariupol.

For context though, it took the US coalition 2 tries and 75 days to take Fallujah in 2004, after "mission accomplished". It took Russia around 80 days to take Mariupol.

Does anyone know any YT channels that show Russian war clips ? My guy just got suspended

It's a tempting idea

But I have a hunch Russia is not going there because of the threat of NATO escalation in Moldova if Russia gets close.

Russia has other things to take care of first. Maybe even taking Kiev first.

The latest BS from the 'free media'

Putin will land in sanatorium and lose power by 2023: ex-MI6 head
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/05/22/putin-will-be-sent-to-sanatorium-by-2023-ex-mi6-chief/amp/

According to the ex-MI6 head, Putin will be sent to a sanatorium by the rest of his circle in preference to a coup
Also, now he has blood cancer

Backman wrote:If I was Putin I'd jump on Odessa. Do a semi mobilization and just jump on it. The main reason is that too much time before they get there is giving too much time for neocons to think of stupid ideas. There are too many lunatics in the US with dumb ideas. They are already talking about anti ship missiles....

Not this again

If they do this fast it will mean insufficient number of Ukrops killed

You are suggesting winning the war and losing the peace (and ensuing insurgency)

Go slow, kill them all and Odessa will be reached in due time

This war can only have two outcomes: Russia on Polish border or Russia ceasing to exist, no middle ground anymore

So best to do it right

Big_Gazza wrote:......

Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki has accused the Nordic country of making “unjust” oil and gas money amid the Ukraine conflict

Norway should share the “excess” profits it’s been making as oil and gas prices soar amid the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said at the National Youth Dialogue Congress on Saturday.

“But should we be paying Norway gigantic money for gas – four or five times more than we paid a year ago? This is sick,” he said, claiming that the excess of the annual average gas and oil profit “will exceed €100 billion” this year for a country of five million people like Norway.

“They should share these excess profits. It’s not normal, it’s unjust. This is an indirect preying on the war started by Putin,” the PM said.

Morawiecki also urged young Poles to go and shame their Norwegian “friends” over the fat gas profits online to push the country into sharing the wealth.

Write to your young friends in Norway,” he said. “They should share it immediately,” Morawiecki stated, adding that it shouldn’t necessarily be shared with Poland, but with Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Poland’s main gas company, state-controlled PGNiG SA, saw its Ebitda (or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) profits almost double in the first quarter, reaching some $2.19 billion, writes Bloomberg. The profit was primarily generated by the Norwegian unit of the state-owned Polish company, which accounted for almost half of the massive figure.

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I usually trim the quoted text but this fucking heresy had to be quoted in full because WHAT THE FUCKITTY FUCKING F*CK IS THIS SHIT???

"Unjust money"? "Excess profits"? "Sharing the wealth"?

Are they listening to themselves?

I feel like I'm​ taking crazy pills​ over here...