GarryB wrote: What you want is for everyone to believe in everything russia says has facts while not believing a single dam thing Ukraine says (Unless it suits your narrative).
Based on normal logic you have to get away from the idea of good guys and bad guys, and accept that some are liars and others tell the truth as they know it.
In that regard we have clear track records for all parties involved and so far the side to believe is the Russians, and the side to ignore is Kievs and the British and the American and the EU version of events.
It really is that simple.
Russia has lied to try and cover up some tactical failures, such as the river crossing etc.
Lied? There has been a lot of speculation about what happened with no confirmation. Russia has not stated everything is going their way and that they have made no mistakes.
Kiev tells us the counter offensive starts in Autumn so this time next year they will have the Crimea back... by force.
For instance Slovenia is transporting BVP M-80 IFVs to Ukraine. Why isn't Russia targeting these supply routes?
Because letting them get to the front line, it is easy to destroy them when they are full of Orcs so you kill the vehicle easily enough and you also eliminate some orcs at the same time.
Rather more impact on the enemy than telling them some APCs are on the way... and oops now they are not coming...
Russia has used more long range precision weapons than anyone in the West thought was possible, but they are still limited in the amount they can launch on a daily basis. They must retain a large reserve taking into account possible escalations with NATO.
They will have humint resources in place, but will have to fully confirm targets are what they think they are... Kiev would love for them to hit a building with nuns or school children in it rather than a Nazi barracks they were expecting.... the cameras would be on site before the attack even started...
However, it would make a lot of difference in a country like Ukraine if used in large quantities.
So you want thousands of drones operating in Ukraine... who is going to be operating all these thousands of drones considering the size of the operational Russian force being used they don't have the numbers to hold the territory they have and also support and operate drones and artillery and air power... that is just stupid.
In terms of bang for buck one drone providing recon for artillery battery is vastly more powerful than 1,000 suicide drones.
Ukraine does not have air defenses in large numbers for medium and high altitudes.
The Russians don't have enough soldiers in the Ukraine to operate all these magic drones you are dreaming about... and they have thousands of stingers.
Many posts show formations and columns of tanks, bmp and transports roaming freely without any cover. They would be potential targets without a shadow of a doubt.
And how much damage would a drone make with a column of enemy forces?
Compared with say an artillery spotting drone or an attack helicopter or CAS aircraft.
I think that the Russian Armed Forces have already reached this conclusion, since they are increasing the production of attack drones a lot.
You are assuming many things here with no supporting evidence. Suddenly seeing videos from drones is not evidence they have not been used up until now... Russian artillery started the use of drones during the cold war and are the branch of the Russian military with the most experience with drones and drone use... it is the reason they use laser guided shells because their drones have laser target markers built in to them.
I used the Predator as an example. The MQ-9 Reapers are the modern version of them. In spite of all the advances drones are deficiencies of the Russian armed forces.
When was the last time the US operated such drones freely and widely over territory where the enemy had BUK and S-300 systems operating?
Such drones are sitting ducks to even very average air defence systems... which is why the US is not sending those heavier drones because they know the Su-35s would easily chase them down and butcher them.
Russia has a few types in those sorts of categories, but we don't know what they have or have not deployed... such drones would not be that useful because even a big drone like the ones you mention only carry half a dozen weapons at best and would be next to useless taking out a column of enemy forces caught out in the open.
That's one of directions. Loitering suicidal drones would also be nice to dive on targets just approved by an operator. But for now small light quadcopter drones would add a lot of value in close combat or ambush detection. Hard to detect and even harder to hit. Is aad missiles as used its pretty expensive deal...
Drones solve specific problems... but problems Russia does not have in this conflict. A single drone can be used to direct artillery from multiple batteries depending on where the enemy is located... one drone using cameras and a datalink can provide target information that allows entire columns of enemy to be wiped out via air power or artillery... you don't need thousands of drones... and these so called suicide drones are pathetic... their payloads seem to be too small and therefore their lethality is marginal... compared to a 152mm shell or a 203mm shell they are rubbish.
I don't believe in invincible tanks, everyone is subject to defeat. However, a more sophisticated tank has a greater chance of survival and greater attack potential. Otherwise why don't we stay at T 34?
If you send in better tanks the enemy will simply use different tactics... land mines and IEDs etc etc.
The point is that these forces operate these vehicles... changing vehicles for a fight is short sighted.
Kalibr and Iskander are Russia's top weapons today, even though they've been in service for a long time. Kinzhal is another very new type of weapon that probably doesn't have enough strength to make a difference on the battlefield.
Kinzhal seems to be able to reach deep into buried underground bunkers and destroyed the contents... contents I am sure minutes before the attack thought they were safe... then all of a sudden Zelensky is in front of a green screen...
Drones are a nice tool , but they will remain a minor player until more drones are produced, and can fly in true autonomous fashion and conduct air warfare on their own
Until then, it's just another toy
They are what the west based its whole plans on... drones would sneak through and take out all of Russias formidable air defence forces and then the western air force would just breeze in and clean it up like it did with Iraq... except they are not that effective.
Long-range artillery fire is fixed by drones. How does it make no difference?
But you said they weren't using drones.
And you didn't need to repeat that entire conversation just to make that one comment did you?
Now, Ukraine is limiting the use of TB-2s to 'rare special occasions and attack missions,' said one of the pilots.
Like for massacres of Kievs gear on a certain island in the Black Sea.
French politician Régis de Castelnau:
“Another achievement for Macron. Two French CAESAR self-propelled guns were captured by the Russians unharmed.
As soon as they mentioned they were sending them I said they would mount missions to capture them.
The caravan hunters captured all sorts of stuff in Afghanistan including Stinger Missiles, Blowpipe missiles, and Milan anti tank guided missiles... amongst other items.
Nice trophy yes but I don't think there will be much the Russians can learn from it - let alone wasting their time reverse engineering it >>>
For every design there are solutions to problems.... and every solution is a trade off of cost or complexity etc etc
Looking at the solutions the french took with their design will be valuable... even just to work out where to hit it to take it out efficiently.
Nope bipolar just amazed by how stupid sometimes russians can be and how hyped they are with their AD.
I have not come across a single Russian who has stated the entire territory of Russia is invincible and protected from all air based threats.
In comparison, most western countries are seives for drug smugglers and all sorts of other aerial infiltrations every day... are they stupid too?
They are spending too much money on AD and clearly not enough on the airforce which could have destroyed the airports this drone operated from
These drones could have operated from any stretch of road... the west is totally in the shit in this regard because they spent all their money on their aircraft which are eye wateringly expensive... to expensive to even operate... and what defences would they have to that?
The Ukraine flew a subsonic drone into HATO territory which was a front line which all of HATO planes and satellites and resources would be watching and it crash landed without being shot down too.
They should have had at least 100 su-57 by now if they invested enough money in it instead of S-500 which has no real use in an atomic war.
Su-57s would be less use than their air defence forces... even Pantsir and TOR have shot down more drones and enemy threats than 100 Su-57s could manage.
Now they have to keep the few su-35 they have far away from danger because they don't have enough of them. Su-30 and su-34 don't seem to have any survivability against soviet made AD systems with their huge rcs.
Should be a real eye opener for HATO really... how will they go against Russian air defence?
I also think Russia should have at least 300 SU 35 which is what is possible now. Su 57 will only have production cadence when the new engine has been completed.
Well I am sure they would be interested in your opinion but they are going to put 76 Su-57s into service and operate them for a bit to decide whether the extra operational costs are worth the improved performance. Once they have more Su-57s in service and more experience operating with them they might freeze production of the Su-35 and put in a second order for Su-57s... but by then the LTS will likely be starting to get ready and any MiG equivalent will also be at a point where they can look at them both as options to an affordable fleet of modern aircraft...
Peresvet can blind them all , the question is: blinding US military sats means war. But private companies....
Eventually the US is going to offer an escalation that warrants it... or perhaps Kiev is stupid enough to try to attack Crimea...
Send an arty shell with instructions on how to surrender to the Z-Forces their way.
At least give them a chance to walk out alive.
And when the nazis read these notes they will know where to aim to shoot their own in the back as they surrender... if these guys want to surrender then drop your weapon and run away... or shoot your officers and then run away and then drop your weapon.
Either by Speakers, leaflets spread by red artillery shells or radio frequency intercept. An offer and instructions to Surrender is easily made.
If they refuse. so be it.
Then its an direct millitary solution.
They are in the way after all.
I appreciate what you are saying, but the people in charge of these forces don't want to give up their meat shields and certainly don't want to end up captured either because they probably have done things that will get them hung.
Besides... what are they going to do with all these prisoners?
Every time I am struck by the intensity of the stupidity of Western propaganda - as well as the number of people who believe it unconditionally in the West
Especially when such people actually think the people of the Soviet Union and also Russia were mindless drones that believed everything their governments tell them... ironic really.
Most Russians and Soviets were skeptical of their own governments and hated them for all their lies... and then they were exposed to western governments and their promises.... hahahaha.
A peaceful route still possible , but not with the clown Nazis in power . Any candidates on the Uki side ?
Any serious opposition to Zelensky is in jail or murdered... opposition parties are banned too... any replacement will just be more of the same...
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