S-300P/S-400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #4

The funny thing is that people have no reference metrics to evaluate Russia's performance. Somehow it is failing with the pathetic level
of Ukr attack damage, but the US is "winning" after its Patriot systems did a rotten job in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. As usual we have no
context and just fanboi masturbation.

There is no AD capable of intercepting 100% of targets 100% of the time. There are not enough S-400 vehicles destroyed in more than two years of war, to form even half a battery of S-400. And no matter how many times you move an AD, you can't hide forever.

Moving them is a good thing, but while they are moving they don't work... and moving targets are easier to spot and actually moving does not protect you from drone attack.

Russians are slow learners, but they learn.

I wouldn't say that. This process has repeated several times with different wonder weapons that were new and different enough to achieve some results, but that experience can't be used to prevent any future success against any system. They had to wait for systems to be used to learn their signatures and their features and their strengths and weaknesses. By next week, if not already they will start using them against civilian targets because military targets will have defences that stop them every time.

Having a pussy gene, though, that's terminal.

Churchil was a dick but he was right about war. War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.

It doesn't mean war is funny. It means in war you are going to lose but if you show loss then the enemy will take advantage.

If you can't cope with the loss of a couple of planes then you shouldn't be in charge in a war situation... just be glad the four crew were not on board at the time.

And while Kiev claims 14 killed 1,000 of Kievs pawns die each day in each area of the front line... with that perspective you are crying because the sky is falling?

This was an unusual event that is unlikely to be repeated many times, if at all... those thousands of Orcs dying every day is happening over periods of months and years and does not appear to be stopping.

Their defensive lines are imaginary and retreating to them puts them at a huge disadvantage because even though if they were there glide bombs and tulips would deal to them, with them not being there makes things even worse because those retreating soldiers get the job of picking up a spade and digging...

They are already under stress and now they are digging their positions and the Russians are still coming...

... and while our doomers have 5 min of fame & glory, huge explosions in both Odessa and Charkov, as Iskanders blow something to pieces.
Multiple explosions and black smoke rises sky high.

Western expert (after seeing the first few seconds of the video): Look how slow it starts! 

in more than two years of war, to form even half a battery of S-400

There were propably more damaged during exercises.

Western expert (after seeing the first few seconds of the video): Look how slow it starts!

Hahahaha... a missile that size cold launched and ejected from its launcher dozens of metres up into the air is just going to roar away like a butterfly with a jet engine...

Sounds like they don't qualify for the term expert in this case.

There is no targets serious enough to use this monsters.
However, missiles were produced and stocked, as the system never faced a real life test - luckily.
I guess they are just doing so, and spending stocks of old missiles.

kvs wrote:Somehow it is failing with the pathetic level
of Ukr attack damage,

AND Israel.
They are to replace Patriots for a reason.
At US taxpayers' expense, but who cares?

Sounds like they don't qualify for the term expert in this case.

It was a joke.
And the first seconds of the video are in slow motion. 

Another S400 destroyed by atacsm in donetsk region...

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1793630311516975148

its open hint on S400 systems....its 2nd in this month...

galicije83 wrote:Another S400 destroyed by atacsm in donetsk region...

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1793630311516975148

its open hint on S400 systems....its 2nd in this month...

Yeah and do you ever wonder on things like :

-Is the battery online ?
-How long it was there ?

If Ukraine got it when the battery just arrived then there is nothing they can do. The Russians have to make a new schedule on deployment. Odds are they were using same site multiple times, which allow Ukraine to map their position then choose time when to attack.

Also one unique thing.. The destroyed radar appears to be 96L6TsP. This were seen with S-350 system but clearly other system can use them too.

Two in a month... amazing... but not as good as the second best army in the Ukraine war that seems to have taken down Patriot batteries at will... but the critical difference... did you notice?

When the Russians destroy a Patriot battery they go on to hit all the targets that battery was defending and often hit dozens of different targets hard.

When Kiev scores a fluke it seems the Russian air defence platform they hit or pretend to hit is all they are going for with all the missiles and drones and recon assets and decoys and cruise missiles they have.

It is pretty clear who is winning and who is losing and minor successes like this become meaningless in context, yet some people crow about it like it is D Day and is going to turn the whole war around and that the Russian military is fundamentally broken if they can allow this to happen... how dare the Russian military get into a fist fight and come home with a scratch from the enemy who was swinging a womans handbag. That tiny scratch on your arm means they win...

Well that might be true in the propaganda war, but in the real world it is something you laugh about because who doesn't want to fight such a pussy that is fixated on things that don't matter and focus all their energy and effort and resources and blood and money on pointless show wins they can take to their funding sources to prove they are winning and getting good value for their money... so they can get more money.

As the fighting gets more desperate then so will the escalations. I fear in their madness our elites might even try some ridiculous no-fly zone. So yes you will see more major systems lost. Out elites are giving them the best signals Intel money can buy and upgraded quasi ballistic missiles. The only things which can definitively hit these buggers in a volley is maybe THAAD, definitely AEGIS and definitely S-500. Even with these systems they would need a lot of them to overlap each other's field of action.

It is going to get scary. This is a sign of desperation. Why? It is reckless and foolish. Expect even more reckless acts to the point of no-fly zones and well, ww3 Lord forbid.

Decided to post this here as well as in Turkish threat mods feel free to delete.

Me personally think this won't happen this would be a massive stab in the back to Russia and show the world turkey can't be trusted and throw it's own fighter jet program in the dustbin.

Turkey may evaluate transferring its Russian-origin S-400 systems to the U.S. in order to return to the F-35 stealth fighter program

https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/10/02/turkey-may-evaluate-transferring-its-russian-origin-s-400-systems-to-the-u-s-in-order-to-return-to-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-program/

d_taddei2 wrote:Decided to post this here as well as in Turkish threat mods feel free to delete.

Me personally think this won't happen this would be a massive stab in the back to Russia and show the world turkey can't be trusted and throw it's own fighter jet program in the dustbin.

Turkey may evaluate transferring its Russian-origin S-400 systems to the U.S. in order to return to the F-35 stealth fighter program

https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/10/02/turkey-may-evaluate-transferring-its-russian-origin-s-400-systems-to-the-u-s-in-order-to-return-to-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-program/

Why in the hell would Russia export its prized S-400 system to a NATO enemy like Turkey? That was a completely boneheaded move by Putin; I thought he was smarter than that.


He should know that Turkey is still a Western lap dog for the US.

d_taddei2 wrote:Turkey may evaluate transferring its Russian-origin S-400 systems to the U.S. in order to return to the F-35 stealth fighter program

https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/10/02/turkey-may-evaluate-transferring-its-russian-origin-s-400-systems-to-the-u-s-in-order-to-return-to-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-program/

It's the export model, so not the same as the S-400's Russia uses. Also, Turkey didn't buy these air defenses systems to protect themselves from Russia, so if they end up giving them away to the country most likely to lead a Libya-style regime change against them in the future, then that's (literally) their problem.

Russians were well aware this could happen. They don't seem to care at all.

Sounds like a western intel controlled media outlet trying to cause conflict and issues amongst countries they clearly consider their enemy... Even if Turkey hands over the complete systems... so what.

Being given an M16 rifle to take to bits does not make you bullet proof and the decades it is going to take for them to adapt to its design and get something comparable the Russians will be working on the upgrades of the replacement systems.

During the 1990s when the cold war was over and they thought they might earn money selling their more capable products to western countries the Russians sold all sorts of things to the west.

That includes Tunguska and S-300V and many other types of weapon systems. Ironically the only system they actually bought and used was the Kh-31 in the MA-31 anti ship drone for testing naval air defences... which made them realise Phalanx was useless and they needed Sea RAM to have any chance of defending their ships.

Lots of features for PAC-3 were likely based on what they learned from the SA-12 systems they got, but they obviously weren't complete systems either.

Probably just as well the French didn't go ahead with their purchase of Krasnopol-M, which was the laser homing artillery shell popularly used now but in 155mm calibre.

A fraction of the price of western equivalents that didn't appear until decades after it could have been in service.

They were stupid then and are stupid now... I blame their massive egos.

Turkey is looking to enter BRICS... I can't see them giving all of that up to get back into the F-35 programme.... I rather doubt the F-35 programme has much of a future anyway... you will notice Zelensky is not asking for F-35s...

Why in the hell would Russia export its prized S-400 system to a NATO enemy like Turkey? That was a completely boneheaded move by Putin; I thought he was smarter than that.

Turkey got the export version of S-400, which wont be the same as the model the Russians use.

Turkey is hardly going to sacrifice any future in BRICS for the chance to get back to making F-35 parts... no matter how profitable it was... They would probably make more money joining the Su-75 project and perhaps start making parts for that.

I would say, without looking, that this media organisation does what most western media organisations do from time to time... throw a bit of shit against the wall to see what sticks. Creating tension and conflict where none really exists is how the west rolls. Against idiots it is often successful, but Putin and Xi and even Erdogan, this is probably not going to work. Will of course work well on the internet and fanboys will celebrate or demand Putins head depending on which side they are on.

The F-35 programme was only going to make Turkey a handful of billions of dollars in the grand scheme of things that's hardly worth doing considering the potential loss in economic gains from years/decades long membership of BRICS.

If Turkey did indeed get F-35 it would come with a lot of red tape and Turkey has invested billions into it's homegrown fighter jet program and in return it needs to make it worthwhile so buying expensive red tape crap box F-35 and a couple of squadrons of its own fighter jet wouldn't go down too well with Turkish defence companies and make its investment pointless. And I highly doubt they would see much export success with it's fighter maybe Azerbaijan might buy a squadron at most.

As Garry pointed out Turkey could get involved with Su-75 program or if western companies snub Turkey with help to it's homegrown project I am pretty sure Russia would be willing to help and most likely incorporate elements of Su-75 into the Turkish program and i am sure it wouldn't take too much to fit Russian engines into the Turkish fighter. Maybe the Turkish fighter might have more export success within BRICS, we might see BRICS nations armed with Turkish fighters and Su-75 for the nations with a small defence budget.

S-400 has been around a while now and export versions will be downgraded, and I am sure Russia will still have a few more upgrades up it's sleeve to implement with new or changing threats and don't forget S-500 is on its way.

I think Turkey would be very foolish to stab Russia in the back in this regard. Turkey is gaining a reputation for not being a reliable trusted ally on both sides west and east if it keeps up this behaviour the only country that it will have as an ally will be Azerbaijan and that's not exactly massively beneficial to Turkey. As previously stated it's unlikely to be true but rather stirring the pot.

Arrow wrote:

The S-500 is a typical ABM system designed only to counter ballistic or hypersonic maneuvering missiles.

"The S-500 is designed for intercepting and destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as hypersonic cruise missiles and aircraft. With a planned range of 600 km. And an initial planned order of ten battalions it is intended to supplement the S-400"

If USA does get hold of the S-400 as mentioned Russia will have more upgrades up it's sleeve but even if USA finds weaknesses it still won't know S-500 weaknesses and as Russia works on a proper layering AD network they would still have to face this threat of S-500 is the point. The S-500 can still shoot down missiles and aircraft if needed. If Turkey goes through with this nonsense expect an upgrade to S-400. Just for the record I never suggested S-500 is a replacement for S-400 as it was never the case.

Arrow wrote:S 500 shooting at planes? This is some kind of journalistic error. S 500 fires missiles designed to intercept MRBM, IRBM and ICBM missiles. Russia has hundreds of SAM launchers, there is no need to make S 500 a SAM system. It is similar to THAAD or SM 3 ABM system.

Pretty sure if an AWACS came within range they would fire at it. Remember that S-400 has a range of 400km and the S-500 around 600km, so if the enemy is flying out within S-400 range but within S-500 range and the said target is of importance then it's game on for S-500. Also Just because a system is capable of taking out aircraft doesn't mean it will be employed as such. A a lot of Russian AD systems can hit land targets if needed but it's not something that they would necessarily do although Ukraine likes to think so and imply such to cover up their own failings.

Russia enjoys a fully integrated AD network with a system for every eventuality. If course you're not going to use S-400 to take out a $1,000 drone. The west have very limited AD systems and rely heavily on it's air force to take on air threats but that relies on the aircraft being available and capable of being at the target area on time a d they can't afford to let an aircraft loiter in case of a threat. The UK for example has a pretty crap AD systems and can only deploy short range systems that are expensive the rest comes from aircraft. USA is slightly better but still relies heavily on patriot and that's very expensive especially if your taking on cheap targets. Israel has a better AD than any western country but still suffers from expensive missiles and has the added bonus of only having to cover a small airspace. If Russia had an airspace like Israel and equipt with Russian systems it would most likely be excellent. Russia on the other hand has everything from a ZU-23-2, manpads, short range, medium range etc etc right up to S-550 as well as EW equipment.

But I digress somewhat. I still believe this is nothing more then the media stoking the fire to cause issues between Russia and Turkey