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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:39 am

    Firebird wrote:There seems to be a bit of a fundamental shift with Russia's policy towards the CIS.
    The old approach was to simply develop the Eurasian Union, with key players on-side and coaxing more non-committal members in. The prob with the Eurasian Union is that its vulnerable to outside forces ie crooked rats like Uncle Sham. Just look at Belarus, Kazakstan, Armenia etc.

    The new approach, as mentioned by Putin is more about "de Communisation" ie looking at what was Russia before some of the idiocies of the USSR. So we're now seeing parts of the former Ukraine looking to rejoin Russia. Likewise with Belarus after Lukashenko.

    It's still the same strategy minus the massive bomb Russia's enemies exploded in Ukraine which made Russia change its policy towards Ukraine. The Ukraine war wasn't a war of choice (technically speaking), and thus is neither absorbing Ukraine territories or its people. The Russians leadership has made it abundantly clear they prefer to rather stop the SMO than continue it if Ukraine were to agree to Russia's "peace terms". That's to say Ukraine would continue to exist, having jurisdiction over Russians with some made up nationality as is "Ukranians". The SMO isn't truly about righting the wrongs of the Soviet times. A byproduct of the SMO aligns with such an ideal and is fed to the sheeple as such to garner sympathy and consent.


    With Kazakstan, Krushchev had the moronic idea of giving away a chunk of Russian land to the Kazak SSR. And post Communism, ethnic Russians fled Kazakstan. Furthermore, back in Imperial Russia, Kazakstan was part of Russia itself.

    Evidently demonic forces from Washington are looking to do a "Pukraine" with Kazakstan at some point.

    Washington sees enemy vulnerabilities and seeks to exploit them for maximum damage. It's not their problem Russia had idiots as leaders for close to a century making retarded strategic decisions. Russia is their enemy, a roadblock to the sustainment of the "rules-based liberal order". Thus in their view there are only two options for dealing with Russia: 1: Weaken Russia and force Russia to capitulate and become an insignificant junior partner that knows its place in the pecking order or 2: If that fails...destroy them short of a nuclear war between the two (regime change/cold war paradigm collapse).

    It's just business.

    Russia can face the challenge or cry about it and lose... either way they got no choice. It's either that or well... even the 90's will fall short. lol1 Existential is indeed the right word.


    To me, the solution is to absorb atleast a chunk of the current Kazakstan into Russia proper. And the rest of it could be headed up by a no-nonsense character.

    Thats not about "empire building". Its simply looking at the identity of Kazakstan, what is best for it, preventing bloodshed and enhancing prosperity and a good quality of life. Because the Devil aka Uncle Sham will promise one thing, but only bring misery and lies.

    Hell will freeze over before the Kazakh elite give a single inch of land back to Russia voluntarily. Land will have to be retaken by force, as always, aka war. The Russian idiots should have thought twice before giving the Kazakh clans their own keys to a kingdom. Now you figure out the obvious to anyone that wasn't an idiot in 1990... they don't want to give anything back (not the Georgians, the Ukranians, the Kazakhs etc). It's theirs period! Not lent or borrowed from Russia, it's their land! (in their view of course). The Kazakh elite decide what is best for them, not the Kremlin. There lies Russia's security vulnerabilities and issues managing foreign elite obedience.

    This is one of the many reasons why you see such unease with the Kazakh elite, and why, uncharacteristic of allies, this elite has been negatively vocal about the SMO. As if to say "Don't even dare to do what you're doing with Ukraine to us under any excuse". And of course Russia would have reason, knowing full well what the recent color revolution attempt in Kazakhstan was all about... meaning; a big chunk of the Kazakh elite was ready to jump ship (were the coup to have succeeded). What comes after a successful coup attempt is pretty clear... don't look further than Ukraine. The Kazakh elite know it well, as do the Russian elite. The Kremlin can keep appearances but it must be fuming, as they should, this ain't no joke.

    To the Kazakh elite it's pretty clear they don't want to be subjected to a regime where the wrath of Russia is only kept at bay provided Kazakhstan's relationship with Russia's enemies is minimal. What if in the distant future the Chinese become one of Russia's main geopolitical rivals and the Kazakh chose to side with the Chinese? Do the Kazakh elite want to forever be subjected to a conditional relationship where Russia dictates their behavior and the limits of their foreign policy engagement? Hell NO! Do they want to be always tied to Russia's ship? Even if it sinks? Hell NO!

    Thus as you can see the bilateral relationship between Russia and Kazakhstan under a cold war regime is HIGH Maintenance, with time bombs built-in that need just the right trigger to be pressed by Russia's rivals for them to go off. The SMO in Ukraine is free catnip that the empire (and it lackies - mainly Britain/Turkey) is and will be using in Kazakhstan to gain influence, gain new well placed high profile assets, as well as to poison the well as much as possible to amplify the seeds of distrust. This will work great with the opportunistically corrupt, treasonous bad faith actors who often hide behind nationalism to achieve power. God knows the millions the U.S and company have invested in NGO's and business deals in Kazakhstan are not for nothing. As I've said, the current color revolution attempt in Kazakhstan is but a trial run... more will come. The empire will look at the board, see what failed, what succeeded, and re-arrange their pawns, wait opportunistically for the right time and trigger and go at it again. It's how this works. That is not to say the empire is eventually bound to succeed. With proactive preventive work, both from Russia and responsible Kazakh leadership it's possible to get rid/neutralize/keep the filth at bay. Plus there are many other variables that can take the empire's eye off Kazakhstan for extended periods of time (engagements in the chessboard elsewhere). There is no greater success story that could attest to good preventive work than than stable politics and development in Kazakhstan over say, 2 decades from now since the first color revolution incident. Anything short of that however will point to serious problems with the clean up response and policies thereafter.


    Hopefully Russia can be very proactive with all this. Esp given that it can now weather any sanctions storms created by Uncle Sham. A Russia with much of the Ukraine, Belarus and the better parts of Kazakstan could be pretty powerful AND unified on the World stage. Other former Soviet areas could very likely then be re-attracted by the softest of power plays.

    Russia is in no position to do anything right now with regards to Kazakhstan except lend a hand and hope their assets and sympathizers in Kazakhstan can keep the ship afloat, right the ship, keeping their competition at bay. Looking as inoffensive and as friendly as possible being key. But once Ukraine is over, if Russia is not proactive elsewhere...well, don't cry about the consequences of sitting on your laurels. If I were a Kremlin strategic thinker, I would be drawing a new map of Kazakhstan right about now with detailed war plans just in case... you should never get caught with your pants down (should Russia get outplayed again by CIA/MI6 and company like in Ukraine + the Chinese on the distant horizon being a potential threat).


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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:51 am

    There is an organized campaign inside Russia by various 5th column maggots including the Navalny leftovers that are trying to
    create a panic over the HIMARS rubbish. Now every HIMARS salvo is hitting every munitions depot and critical military target.
    The presence of HIMARS is used as "proof" of the failure of the Russian army.

    This is the only war that NATzO can try to win. The propaganda war inside Russia. I think they have no chance, but they
    have lots of history where they succeeded. This includes in the run up to 1917 and 1990.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:54 am

    It works with sheeple. Clearly none of the dimwitts here can stop talking about the HIMARS either. Poster above included.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:01 am

    kvs wrote:There is an organized campaign inside Russia by various 5th column maggots including the Navalny leftovers that are trying to
    create a panic over the HIMARS rubbish.   Now every HIMARS salvo is hitting every munitions depot and critical military target.
    The presence of HIMARS is used as "proof" of the failure of the Russian army.  

    This is the only war that NATzO can try to win.   The propaganda war inside Russia.   I think they have no chance, but they
    have lots of history where they succeeded.   This includes in the run up to 1917 and 1990.  

    I agree, I don't see it as a bad thing, shit ton of t72b3, T90, Bmp3 are flowing to kherson

    Train loads of equipment like before February 24 are being seen

    Whole tank parks

    I think there will be an attack in this area, and shit ton of equipment is flowing there

    Tochka U , we are seeing brigades of Tochka U on trains, driving

    Something is being prepared

    Any map shows massive fire on the front line and Ukrainians lost close to 1000 men in the last 2 days alone

    Kalibr basically ended the life of Ukrainian troops in barracks last night

    All over Ukraine, they are being pummeled with Iskander and Kalibr at intensity not seen for a while

    And while Kalibr and Iskander take a break, Tochka U is fired along the front

    Obviously this fire preparation is the beginning of a major offensive

    In my opinion it is the real phase 2

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:05 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    'I believe...'

    Stop right there Johnny. I understand that this forum has become a feel-good safe space for the most ardent pro Russia Westerners - where they are allowed and even encouraged to one-up each other in making such ridiculous statements and claims that it would even make seasoned Pravda commentators blush, but this ain't it.

    In the last weeks/months Kazakhstan has:

    - Ratified a Turkey-Kazakhstan customs agreement
    - Declaration of intent on diversifying its oil and gas supply routes (ie bypassing Russia through China/Turkey-Azerbaijan/Iran-Turkmenistan)
    - Signed the Baku Declaration which will integrate the country further with Turkey/Azerbaijan and will lead to increased oil exports to Europe
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with China
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with Turkmenistan/Iran
    - Has banned the transport of Western sanctioned goods through its territory (fear of secondary sanctions). There is also reason to believe that this will extend to third countries (let's say India)
    - As an extension of that Kazakhstan is banning the export of Kazakh goods to Russia sanctioned by the West
    - Refused to recognize the DPR /LPR in Putin's own face.
    - Stated that the CSTO saved Kazakhstan, and not Russia.
    - Stated that it won't hold any May 9 parades anymore.
    - Appointed vicious hardline Kazakh nationalists in power, whose rhetoric is on par with Maidanists (calling ethnic Russians colonial settlers who eventually will have to leave)
    - Stated that China is much more important to Kazakhstan than Russia
    - Stated that under no circumstance Kazakhstan would join the war in Ukraine, even if the CSTO mechanism was activated.
    - Stated that Ukraine has a right to join EU/NATO if they seem to wish so.
    - Kazakhstan has withdrawn from the Russian led CIS Agreement

    I hate the break the news for ya, but this is what de-coupling looks like. They are using the mayhem in Ukraine as a window of opportunity. Tokayev says thank you for saving his ass in January though - oh wait, it was the CSTO who did that.

    Kind of an expensive mistake not to leave a 'peacekeeping force' in Kazakhstan after Russia saved the country from imploding.

    But hey at least Putin looked better doing it than the US, according to the geopolitical experts here and elsewhere.

    The elite are much more interested in Brazilian diesel deal ongoing with balsonaro

    None in Russia are spending time talking about Kazakhs except for immigration

    Russia is focused to increase trade with China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Iran, Turkey and the smaller states like Venezuela , Nicaragua, Kazakhstan, Myanmar, CAR, Sudan will get some attention

    But are not at all important for main development of the Russian economy

    The Turks should increase trade locally, as it would assist them with inflation, and gas, but Kazakhs are hardly competing with Turk stream

    It's an old republic with some ties to Russia in the northern territories, but in terms of overall importance, ranks low

    Russia will always lend a hand to Kazakhs if there is instability

    But there's not much to worry about there

    Those problems with Uzbeks also go on for years , it's important to control the immigration from Kazakhstan,

    But economically it's not much to talk about, for China either , yes in the future ONE day it will develop

    But until then, it's better for Russia to look to Brazil and Argentina, Turkey and Iran, China and India, then Kazakhs or Uzbeks


    Dude you are always in an obsession to do damage control to Russian gov for its problems..  To deny what can't be denied. The new Kazakistan is doing many of the same things, Ukraine did in 2014 after NATO took control of kiev.  Right wing Ultra nationalist now hostile to RUssia ,ruling in their southern border. Would not be surprising that Russia have to invade Kazakistan too ,after Ukraine , because things are moving in that direction..  STOP  THE BULLSHIT FANBOYISM dude... NOT EVERYTHING is GREAT with RUssia.
    there are serious problems , very serious issues that if not solved with its southern neighbors ,would only get worse and Russia would have to remove that treasonous government from power , to get a friendly one in place.     Stop downplaying Russian problems , stop with the bullshit excuses for everything.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:15 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Dude you are always in an obsession to do damage control to Russian gov for its problems..  To deny what can't be denied. The new Kazakistan is doing many of the same things, Ukraine did in 2014 after NATO took control of kiev.  Right wing Ultra nationalist now hostile to RUssia ,ruling in their southern border. Would not be surprising that Russia have to invade Kazakistan too ,after Ukraine , because things are moving in that direction..  STOP  THE BULLSHIT FANBOYISM dude... NOT EVERYTHING is GREAT with RUssia.
    there are serious problems , very serious issues that if not solved with its southern neighbors ,would only get worse and Russia would have to remove that treasonous government from power , to get a friendly one in place.     Stop downplaying Russian problems , stop with the bullshit excuses for everything.

    Kazakhstan is no Ukraine - in terms of force, Ukraine was prepared from NATO

    Kazakhstan will never represent this level of danger due to China being there , there's just no place for NATO

    They tried in Bagram, but it ended badly for NATO , receiving a bombing as they tried leaving, overwhelmed by Pashtun and Taliban inside their bases , Chinook flying evacuation constantly

    NATO is gone from Central Asia in military terms

    They hold small positions at Al tanf and some small positions in Iraq, with Iran holding them in check

    The jihad threat itself is reduced , Russia destroyed ISIS, and now speaks with Taliban

    Central Asia is a nothing burger from a security perspective at the moment

    As I said, NATO already did what it could from 2001-2020, they're gonna from the region forever

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:18 am

    kvs wrote:There is an organized campaign inside Russia by various 5th column maggots including the Navalny leftovers that are trying to
    create a panic over the HIMARS rubbish.   Now every HIMARS salvo is hitting every munitions depot and critical military target..  

    Shut up .

    The news of Himars many  Russian positions is 100% correct.

    Even Russian media is reporting this..

    Pro RUssian sources confirm this..

    5 killed, at least 80 injured in southern Ukraine shelling – official



    Seven people are missing after Ukrainian troops hit Novaya Kakhovka, a local official says


    This is Russian Government Media reports.. Not western media.. so what are you going to say now?
    Russia neither is credible?  lol1


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    https://www.rt.com/russia/558805-russia-novaya-kakhovka-shelling/

    Since you don't like western media ,that have been reporting this all day , but you so low IQ.
    Here is sputniknews reporting about same incident. So western media was right ,
    Ukraine did smashed Russian positions , and those air defeneses failed , Just like strelkov told.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220712/two-dead-four-missing-after-ukrainian-attack-on-novaya-kakhovka---video-1097210319.html



    So this could become a massacre of civilians , near 100 people injured and killed , try to think in that for a secondo if you can , Himars IS a game changing weapons. as the west claimed..

    If NATO send 20  or 30 himars to Ukraine , or better ATACMS with 300 km range ,it could completely halt  Russian operations. Unless start using for real their airforce to hunt those himars . or get plenty of strike drones for that.

    No this does not happened in Donbass area ..as the bullshit  excuses of fan boys ,trying  to justify  that "donbass don't have good air defenses" there..   This happened in Kherson area..  where Russian forces have very strong air defenses to counter Ukraine army attacks there and target Ukraine airforce flying from odessa ,TORS and PAntsirs ,including S-300s. according to some reports .

    Most of the attacks of himars ,happened to the kherson city.. where RUssia army is defending  .
    Russia air defenses faced problems dealing with himars.. The russian army seriously underestimated its capabilities NATO advanced long range artillery.   IF you have no clue what you talking about ,better don't comment.

    Fanboys indeed is the worse thing in this forum.. Ruining everything with their minimizing of Russian military problems. and their All is great for Russia aptitude . No


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:19 am

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/15172

    Look at the destruction in Bakhmut, the power is gone

    They're crying pisdets pisdets hahahaha

    Bye bye hohol, fucking Buratino and Tochka U will work you non stop now

    Between the strikes in Nikolayev and Bakhmut, we speaking of hundreds , some say even thousand dead

    In the gymnasium 60 hohols used, they are counting 50 as of now in the rubble , that's 1 building

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:23 am

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    Avdeyevka,

    it's been going on since last night non stop

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    Post  PhSt Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/15172

    Look at the destruction in Bakhmut, the power is gone

    They're crying pisdets pisdets hahahaha

    Bye bye hohol, fucking Buratino and Tochka U will work you non stop now

    Between the strikes in Nikolayev and Bakhmut, we speaking of hundreds , some say even thousand dead

    In the gymnasium 60 hohols used, they are counting 50 as of now in the rubble , that's 1 building

    I would like to see a couple of FOABS dropped on major Ukro cities in the west in response to the murder of civilians in Novorosiya.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:25 am

    https://t.me/swodki/132447

    Bakhmut is being atrociously levelled...

    This is savage shit in a good way lol

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:31 am

    Vann7 wrote:


    Azi wrote:


    The only reason the operation goes soo slow is psychological!



    Psychological operations in war are valid , but it have to be aimed at the enemy,not at your own soldiers.  Laughing

     Because i don't understand why Russian airforce leave alone their military fighting in the ground , there is almost zero close air support for their ground troops..almost zero combined arms operations.
    Tanks send alone to ambush , without drones or special forces to provide intel to them of Ukraine positions.  So indeed is psychological war without a doubt, a real nightmare for Russian soldiers ,to have 24 hours a day Ukraine drones flying above their heads and not a single fucking plane of the Russian airforce helping them ,to protect them ,from ukraine endless supply of strike drones.  How fast or slow is the advance is not the real issue ,
    the real issue is how many Russian soldiers ,tanks ,armor , convoys are attacked , because there no airforce providing close air support to them.. taking those drones first , BEFORE they provide information of Russian positions.  Russia could have reduced in half , if not more , their casualties ,if the Russian airforce was doing its job is smashing Ukraine artillery quick and fast ,and achieving full air superiority ,not allow enemy  drones get far from their take off positions.

    in more news..

    Russian Army Encircles Siversk, “West Plotting Russia Attack





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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:32 am

    https://t.me/swodki/132453

    Uragan , delivering terrible blows to the VSU

    It's been a long night

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:38 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:

    Kazakhstan president won't forget that Putin saved his ass a few months ago. Kazakhstan knows who really has its back. I think Kazakhstan is using this opportunity to make good money. And it's not as if Kazakhstan can replace Russian oil supply to EU.

    As for absorbing Kazakhstan no need, I believe Kazakhstan is firmly in Russian sphere of influence. Russia just needs to ensure others follow suit Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Armenia are already sorted in this respect. Uzbekistan Turkmenistan needs a little work. Azerbaijan is up turkeys ass. Mongolia is surrounded by Russia and china so it's not a problem. Russia ought to have its own funded backed takeover like USA does, but in Georgia and Moldova. And as already said by many once Odessa is liberated they can welcome transnistria and gaugazia into the fold.

    'I believe...'

    Stop right there Johnny. I understand that this forum has become a feel-good safe space for the most ardent pro Russia Westerners - where they are allowed and even encouraged to one-up each other in making such ridiculous statements and claims that it would even make seasoned Pravda commentators blush, but this ain't it.

    In the last weeks/months Kazakhstan has:

    - Ratified a Turkey-Kazakhstan customs agreement
    - Declaration of intent on diversifying its oil and gas supply routes (ie bypassing Russia through China/Turkey-Azerbaijan/Iran-Turkmenistan)
    - Signed the Baku Declaration which will integrate the country further with Turkey/Azerbaijan and will lead to increased oil exports to Europe
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with China
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with Turkmenistan/Iran
    - Has banned the transport of Western sanctioned goods through its territory (fear of secondary sanctions). There is also reason to believe that this will extend to third countries (let's say India)
    - As an extension of that Kazakhstan is banning the export of Kazakh goods to Russia sanctioned by the West
    - Refused to recognize the DPR /LPR in Putin's own face.
    - Stated that the CSTO saved Kazakhstan, and not Russia.
    - Stated that it won't hold any May 9 parades anymore.
    - Appointed vicious hardline Kazakh nationalists in power, whose rhetoric is on par with Maidanists (calling ethnic Russians colonial settlers who eventually will have to leave)
    - Stated that China is much more important to Kazakhstan than Russia
    - Stated that under no circumstance Kazakhstan would join the war in Ukraine, even if the CSTO mechanism was activated.
    - Stated that Ukraine has a right to join EU/NATO if they seem to wish so.
    - Kazakhstan has withdrawn from the Russian led CIS Agreement

    I hate the break the news for ya, but this is what de-coupling looks like. They are using the mayhem in Ukraine as a window of opportunity. Tokayev says thank you for saving his ass in January though - oh wait, it was the CSTO who did that.

    Kind of an expensive mistake not to leave a 'peacekeeping force' in Kazakhstan after Russia saved the country from imploding.

    But hey at least Putin looked better doing it than the US, according to the geopolitical experts here and elsewhere.

    There is actually a general concern here. Kazakhstan is indeed gonna become a problem for russia. And it was no secret the Turks were behind the recent ordeal yet Kazakhstan is still trying to buddy buddy with them.

    Russia isn't stupid so they are probably looking at this very closely and will monitor until it could become a problem. Then they may start to put pressure on Kazakhstan.

    As for its dealing with China, it's OK. Nothing to fear there. But the sanctions stuff? A kick in the face to Russia who actually saved them.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:39 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/swodki/132453

    Uragan , delivering terrible blows to the VSU

    It's been a long night

    Hmmm, the wehrmacht is massing troops for a summer offensive only to have the RKKA launch a massive summer offensive that preempts and destroys theirs. Sounds kinda like Kursk 1943.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:41 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    There is actually a general concern here. Kazakhstan is indeed gonna become a problem for russia. And it was no secret the Turks were behind the recent ordeal yet Kazakhstan is still trying to buddy buddy with them.

    Russia isn't stupid so they are probably looking at this very closely and will monitor until it could become a problem. Then they may start to put pressure on Kazakhstan.

    As for its dealing with China, it's OK. Nothing to fear there. But the sanctions stuff? A kick in the face to Russia who actually saved them.

    Honestly, I don't know enough about the Kazakhs to say anything one way or another, but could there be some double dealing on their part? Saying things and posturing to get the west from meddling in their affairs while doing a lot to back Russia?
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:42 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:

    Honestly, I don't know enough about the Kazakhs to say anything one way or another, but could there be some double dealing on their part? Saying things and posturing to get the west from meddling in their affairs while doing a lot to back Russia?

    Maybe but Russians also see these actions too and backroom dealings won't fix social issues that will arise between kazakhs and Russians.
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    Post  Backman Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:44 am

    Iran is not supplying drones to Russia and is not ahead of Russia in drone development. Sullivan knew that there was a Iran 747 heading to Russia so he made up this story that they were supplying drones. So that they can accuse Iran of supplying the war effort and so it makes Russia look weak. Because they are taking drones from Iran. It looks like half of the Russosphere actually believes the story

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:44 am

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    Dude you are always in an obsession to do damage control to Russian gov for its problems..  To deny what can't be denied. The new Kazakistan is doing many of the same things, Ukraine did in 2014 after NATO took control of kiev.  Right wing Ultra nationalist now hostile to RUssia ,ruling in their southern border. Would not be surprising that Russia have to invade Kazakistan too ,after Ukraine , because things are moving in that direction..  STOP  THE BULLSHIT FANBOYISM dude... NOT EVERYTHING is GREAT with RUssia.
    there are serious problems , very serious issues that if not solved with its southern neighbors ,would only get worse and Russia would have to remove that treasonous government from power , to get a friendly one in place.     Stop downplaying Russian problems , stop with the bullshit excuses for everything.

    Kazakhstan is no Ukraine - in terms of force, Ukraine was prepared from NATO

    Kazakhstan will never represent this level of danger due to China being there , there's just no place for NATO

    They tried in Bagram, but it ended badly for NATO , receiving a bombing as they tried leaving, overwhelmed by Pashtun and Taliban inside their bases , Chinook flying evacuation constantly

    NATO is gone from Central Asia in military terms

    They hold small positions at Al tanf and some small positions in Iraq, with Iran holding them in check

    The jihad threat itself is reduced , Russia destroyed ISIS, and now speaks with Taliban

    Central Asia is a nothing burger from a security perspective at the moment

    As I said, NATO already did what it could from 2001-2020, they're gonna from the region forever


    Russia and China should take Kazakistan.. Split it in two , one half for china the other for Russia.
    and put in jail the kazak president to send a message to azerbaijan and other former soviet republics ,that if you mess with Russia ,they will pay a big price for it. Later build a trade routes and a train ,
    through kazak lands. Russia should have some support there ,from big part of russian population.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:07 am

    Ain't shit happening in Kazakhstan , remember :

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:42 am

    Now back to the war, I have been hearing of airstrikes, rocket and artillery barrages and mass troop and equipment convoys, is there yet tangible evidence of a ground op outside the current slogs in Donetsk?
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:54 am

    Backman wrote:Iran is not supplying drones to Russia and is not ahead of Russia in drone development. Sullivan knew that there was a Iran 747 heading to Russia so he made up this story that they were supplying drones. So that they can accuse Iran of supplying the war effort and so it makes Russia look weak. Because they are taking drones from Iran. It looks like half of the Russosphere actually believes the story

    Russians can be pretty dumb too you know. They may be more inclined to believe a lot of nonsense being spread online but it doesn't help when the Navalny 5th column groups push it.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:17 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Russians can be pretty dumb too you know.  

    Wisest revelation yet... lol1 lol1
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:37 am

    Far too many have a narrow view of what goes on , looking at this or that state

    Even Ukraine, is not the main focus of Russia

    1. Lithuania imposed a blockade
    2. Nord Stream 1 is shutoff
    3. Euro crashed
    4. Iran deal has collapsed
    4. UK government overthrown
    5. Japanese Prime Minister assassinated
    6. Sri Lankan riots, elite property nationalized
    7. Colombian elections
    8. Brazilian, Indian, Chinese gas and oil deals
    9. January 6 committee, Roe Vs Wade, Midterms

    Those who observe must understand the process we are entering, is the collapse of whole blocs and nations which is ongoing

    We have not even entered the winter yet

    Understand that to survive, one must have not only fuel, gas and guns, but a government with a mind, and willpower

    Who will come out of it? Russia for sure

    Will the US? Will Europe? Will China?

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:03 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Far too many have a narrow view of what goes on , looking at this or that state

    Even Ukraine, is not the main focus of Russia

    1. Lithuania imposed a blockade
    2. Nord Stream 1 is shutoff
    3. Euro crashed
    4. Iran deal has collapsed
    4. UK government overthrown
    5. Japanese Prime Minister assassinated
    6. Sri Lankan riots, elite property nationalized
    7. Colombian elections
    8. Brazilian, Indian, Chinese gas and oil deals
    9. January 6 committee, Roe Vs Wade, Midterms

    Those who observe must understand the process we are entering, is the collapse of whole blocs and nations which is ongoing

    We have not even entered the winter yet

    Understand that to survive,  one must have not only fuel, gas and guns, but a government with a mind, and willpower

    Who will come out of it? Russia for sure

    Will the US? Will Europe? Will China?


    Russia and China will be fine.
    You forget that Sri Lanka is one of the centers of global pedophilia along with Thailand.

    There is a rebellion against the global elite.
    And many will not be religious in the forum, but the prophecies point to Russia as the victorious nation. Russia has awakened humanity. It is like Christ bearing the sword.
    Right now, Russia is fighting the same devil. The West is controlled by evil forces, satanic groups, Freemasons, Jews, pedophiles.
    It is a war on the supernatural plane. That never happened, not on the scale we're seeing.

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