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Would love if there is video for that.
The explosion must be epic.
The explosion must be epic.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Stealthflanker Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:46 pm
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NATO and Kiev will claim it was a Russian ammo depot destroyed by ultra-precise and invincible HIMARS.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:14 pm
ZOKA wrote:Fragments of American-made AGM-88 HARM guided aircraft missile, which used to destroy enemy radars, found in the combat zone in Ukraine.
This is first documentary evidence of the use of such ammunition by Ukrainian military,transfer of which Kyiv was not previously reported.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1556279282938380291
Which platform of Ukraine can such a weapon use? Can Ukrainian SU-27 fire such a weapon?
The F-22 in Poland or Polish F-16 are rather the possible carrier to the border right?
This model of the harm will be integrated onto the f/a-18c/d, f/a-18e/f, EA-18G, and Tornado ECR Aircraft, and Later on the F-35 (externally).
NATO is officially opponents of the war! It was a NATO plane that must have used this weapon. mandatory!
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From training pilots to giving planes to having Westerners piloting Western planes and actually fighting in 404 is just some discrete steps from NATO actually fighting Russians with their own hands. Maybe they want to see their ISR assets being removed from the theater for once, that would be a nice incentive for Russia and a substantial help to finish the war...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
SeigSoloyvov Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:38 pm
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:ZOKA wrote:Fragments of American-made AGM-88 HARM guided aircraft missile, which used to destroy enemy radars, found in the combat zone in Ukraine.
This is first documentary evidence of the use of such ammunition by Ukrainian military,transfer of which Kyiv was not previously reported.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1556279282938380291
Which platform of Ukraine can such a weapon use? Can Ukrainian SU-27 fire such a weapon?
The F-22 in Poland or Polish F-16 are rather the possible carrier to the border right?
This model of the harm will be integrated onto the f/a-18c/d, f/a-18e/f, EA-18G, and Tornado ECR Aircraft, and Later on the F-35 (externally).
NATO is officially opponents of the war! It was a NATO plane that must have used this weapon. mandatory!
If your going to quote wiki, then state what part of your text is a quote.
Particularly
"This model of the harm will be integrated onto the f/a-18c/d, f/a-18e/f, EA-18G, and Tornado ECR Aircraft, and Later on the F-35 (externally)."
This part of your text was taken from the US wiki page under the model info of AGM-88E AARGM
You are being a dishonest liar
1. Its impossible to determine WHICH variant of the missile it was, you purposefully picked the one which has text you like to try and lie.
2. There are blocks 1,2,3 which can be mounted on Russian aircraft, Eygpt for examples has migs which do have the ability to use the missile
Just had to call you out on your BS, Good day
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Stealthflanker Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:40 pm
Prob ground launched. as there was Ground launched Shrike back in 82's and US apparently do make a container based ARM carrier. Things remain now is targeting. But according to Desgnation System. HARM can be launched in "Pre Briefed" mode, so basically going ballistic like Tochka. When it detects radar emmission it homes in otherwise it self destructed.
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flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.
Smerch is not an equivalent of HIMARS, and someone who is stating that is either misinformed, with agenda in mind, or stupid.
Each Smerch launcher equals 3 HIMARS regarding lethality, payload, and coverage area.
It is a much longer range, comes with a much more versatile payload, and delivers much more punch than HIMARS.
Each Smerch salvo can contain a 9M534 rocket with T90 recon/fire correction drone Mir already presented.
This toy was battle ready back in 2004.
It uses guided rockets, subamunition payload, 25 pcs of MOTIV AT ammo, all you want/need, and soon the 200+km (300?) range missiles will be on the table.
One can bullshit all day long about the "mobility" of HIMARS, but Smerch is de facto more mobile in rough terrain and on equal using paved roads. Sure, being bigger.
Again, this all bullshit is a commercial campaign targeting potential buyers across Europe. Nothing more.
It is a simple tactical level MLRS system, inferior to the latest Uragan/Tornado modification, and not even close to BM30. Sure it can be useful, but there is not a single chance it can turn the tide in any way.
Just another piece of propaganda for ukromasturbatory.
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Stealthflanker wrote:Would love if there is video for that.
The explosion must be epic.
May have been 45,000kg not 45,000,000kg. Certainly more believable.
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JohninMK wrote:Stealthflanker wrote:Would love if there is video for that.
The explosion must be epic.
May have been 45,000kg not 45,000,000kg. Certainly more believable.
That's the level of a nuclear explosion. But not all is explosives so...
Concerning ARM use it can be easily transformed for ground to ground use. Exocets were transformed in Argentina to be used on airplanes when they were sold for only ship use back in the malvinas war.
The range of it would put f-18 in direct view of the radars. And if launched from the air it means its US planes because no su- or mig can.
They probably launched it in a general direction in hope it finds a radar and lock-on.
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Isos wrote:
Concerning ARM use it can be easily transformed for ground to ground use. Exocets were transformed in Argentina to be used on airplanes when they were sold for only ship use back in the malvinas war.
The range of it would put f-18 in direct view of the radars. And if launched from the air it means its US planes because no su- or mig can.
They probably launched it in a general direction in hope it finds a radar and lock-on.
Argentina had a couple of French Super Etendards in service back then - which was the only aircraft they had that could launch the Exocet missiles as far as I know?
A ground launched Harm ARM would be possible but the already fairly short range of the missile would be even worse. I can only think that they are somehow launching them from whatever fighter aircraft they may have left.
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ALAMO wrote:flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.
Smerch is not an equivalent of HIMARS, and someone who is stating that is either misinformed, with agenda in mind, or stupid.
Each Smerch launcher equals 3 HIMARS regarding lethality, payload, and coverage area.
It is a much longer range, comes with a much more versatile payload, and delivers much more punch than HIMARS.
Each Smerch salvo can contain a 9M534 rocket with T90 recon/fire correction drone Mir already presented.
This toy was battle ready back in 2004.
It uses guided rockets, subamunition payload, 25 pcs of MOTIV AT ammo, all you want/need, and soon the 200+km (300?) range missiles will be on the table.
One can bullshit all day long about the "mobility" of HIMARS, but Smerch is de facto more mobile in rough terrain and on equal using paved roads. Sure, being bigger.
Again, this all bullshit is a commercial campaign targeting potential buyers across Europe. Nothing more.
It is a simple tactical level MLRS system, inferior to the latest Uragan/Tornado modification, and not even close to BM30. Sure it can be useful, but there is not a single chance it can turn the tide in any way.
Just another piece of propaganda for ukromasturbatory.
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Even the western "experts" can´t hide it anymore.
Kharkov has been hit a lot this evening/night. Something brewing?
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Hole wrote:
Silly Russians you retreat like you are advancing. When you are retreating you are supposed to fall back not take further territory. Come on make reality match the narrative of the Biden whitehouse and CNN. . . .
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Good night to everyone except... well , you understand )
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ucmvulcan wrote:
Silly Russians you retreat like you are advancing. When you are retreating you are supposed to fall back not take further territory. Come on make reality match the narrative of the Biden whitehouse and CNN. . . .
You silly Russkies have no idea how to do anything other than advancing, you Untermenschen you!
We do know how to retreat with gallantry while staging advances on Twitter!
It is already a hundred offensive on Twitter against the bloody hordes of yours!
Facebook front follows, and Youtube Propaganda Army is on high alert!
Beware!
You silly you, Facebook commando will hit you hard with memes!
Eat that, bloody Russkie, and that, and that, and that!
See how funny pictures are funny?
Mir wrote:
Argentina had a couple of French Super Etendards in service back then - which was the only aircraft they had that could launch the Exocet missiles as far as I know?
A ground launched Harm ARM would be possible but the already fairly short range of the missile would be even worse. I can only think that they are somehow launching them from whatever fighter aircraft they may have left.
You put it all wrong bro
Argentine had a couple of missiles, to begin with
The number of missiles they had proved in detail, that a strike made with a dozen of Tu-16/22 with some 30-40 missiles salvo would have wiped a whole Royal Navy with one run.
Wonder what they would have done with the remaining 400 pieces carrying the same cargo
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About this Harm , why they need it ? Why not keep using Himars ? Therefore SAM not static or can not be identified or located or Himars too big to smuggle across border or it gets shot down ! Useless . One way of using Radar dish decoy is to install inside a Tank flavoured vehicle . Retractable flat dish , send signal , retract inside vehicle , then move . Even if Harm remembers and finds Tank , warhead not designed to defeat armour ? Dish inside Tank . Another way is to have decoy radar dish , like a Jack in a box . Bury boxes in Earth . Flat dish pop - up and send signal , then pop - inside the box . Harm remembers and hits the ground ! Destroying dirt ! The best plan , if it can be done , is to have elements of phased array Radar scattered over large area , many of them . And design redundancy around loosing elements , while Radar still works . Even loosing hundreds of elements , because it has thousands , and they get replaced quickly .
Ukraine should withdraw troops from Russia speaking region . NATO not to send offensive into this region . Russia can keep out of Ukraine speaking region . No arms built - up by either side . War ends !
Ukraine should withdraw troops from Russia speaking region . NATO not to send offensive into this region . Russia can keep out of Ukraine speaking region . No arms built - up by either side . War ends !
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flamming_python wrote:
Like the rocket that hit in front of that administration building in Kharkov. If it was a Kalibr the damage would have been a lot more significant.
There were two hits, one of them completely emptied the building in the background, the first one hit the recruitment center outside. I can't find the video, but effect on target was much greater in confined building. All the furniture was blown to one side, all documents, computers and etc.
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Stealthflanker wrote:Prob ground launched. as there was Ground launched Shrike back in 82's and US apparently do make a container based ARM carrier. Things remain now is targeting. But according to Desgnation System. HARM can be launched in "Pre Briefed" mode, so basically going ballistic like Tochka. When it detects radar emmission it homes in otherwise it self destructed.
And now it would make sense why US would not disclose this.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
SeigSoloyvov Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:27 am
ALAMO wrote:flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.
Smerch is not an equivalent of HIMARS, and someone who is stating that is either misinformed, with agenda in mind, or stupid.
Each Smerch launcher equals 3 HIMARS regarding lethality, payload, and coverage area.
It is a much longer range, comes with a much more versatile payload, and delivers much more punch than HIMARS.
Each Smerch salvo can contain a 9M534 rocket with T90 recon/fire correction drone Mir already presented.
This toy was battle ready back in 2004.
It uses guided rockets, subamunition payload, 25 pcs of MOTIV AT ammo, all you want/need, and soon the 200+km (300?) range missiles will be on the table.
One can bullshit all day long about the "mobility" of HIMARS, but Smerch is de facto more mobile in rough terrain and on equal using paved roads. Sure, being bigger.
Again, this all bullshit is a commercial campaign targeting potential buyers across Europe. Nothing more.
It is a simple tactical level MLRS system, inferior to the latest Uragan/Tornado modification, and not even close to BM30. Sure it can be useful, but there is not a single chance it can turn the tide in any way.
Just another piece of propaganda for ukromasturbatory.
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Arkanghelsk Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:54 am
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.
HIMARS is a half assed iskander and smerch
Well to put correctly ATACMS is half assed Iskander
GMLRS is half assed smerch
The Russian weapon systems have killed 100k + Ukrainian troops
The halfassed atacms and gmlrs didn't even destroy a bridge
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.
Whether you like it or not the point is the Smerch is basically a MLRS with "no analogs" (except for Chinese copies). It is far superior in ALL aspects to the Himars. A single launcher can deliver double the amount of rockets at far greater range than the Himars for starters. You have seen the Smerch's high precision GLONASS rockets and the Smerch's ability to utilize it's own UAV.
The ATACMS is a poor man's Iskander at best - or a rich man's Tochka - whichever you prefer.
If you know anything about mobility you would realize that a 4x4 vehicle normally has pretty ok all-terrain mobility but a 6x6 is better equipped than a 4x4 to handle rough terrain. An 8x8 is even better, that is one of the many reasons why the US developed the Stryker 8x8 wheeled APC's - because the 6x6 LAV-25's lacked the necessary mobility according to the US Military experts.
The Smerch is mounted on a 8x8 chassis. The one thing incorporated into Russian wheeled vehicles is the ability to adjust the tyre pressure on the go according to the terrain. That in itself makes an enormous difference in the vehicles mobility. It makes any of the Russian 8x8 vehicles off-road capabilities virtually equal to that of tracked vehicles.
Now I am not trying to say that the Himars mobility sucks, but to think that it is just so much better than the Smerch (as you want us to believe) is a classic sample of the "Wunderwaffe Syndrome" you are clearly suffering from.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Singular_Transform Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:46 am
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.
Himars cost optimized to destroy weddings in Afgansitan.
Basic design premise is the availability of real time data from aircrafts/drones.
So, if the enemy has anti aircraft/drone systems,and the quality of targeting information degraded then is can hit only static targets, like bridges.
So, HIMARS expecting full air superioirity over the battlefield.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.
You are a hopeless case.
The system fires triple the load, twice the number, shoots +50% further, and has twice the payload options if compared to HIMARS.
Its chassis guarantees much higher off-road mobility and on-pair road mobility.
There is nothing more to discuss here.
The base and standard rockets exist in more than 10 variations.
You can cover a +670 000 m2 area with a single salvo, saturating the area with more than HALF A MILLION fragments, both heavy and light type.
Or you can deliver 60 pcs of MOTIV-3M self aiming top attack mines.
Or you can deliver 300 PTM-3 AT mines.
Or you can cover the area with more than 8000+ top attack subammunition with +120mm RHAe penetration.
Or you can deliver 60 pcs of self-targeting precision multirole 9N268 ammo.
Or you can deliver 9M216 thermobaric warhead, covering 400 000 m2 with a salvo making Buratino shy
Not to mention standard missiles with detachable warheads, parachuted to the target for better fragments distribution.
Or heavy type penetrating warheads with delayed fuze made for attacking structures, including hardened ones.
Or, last but not least, a long-range GPS guided missiles of heavy type of warhead, we already saw in usage with this conflict, and the effect was quite picterous.
And now we are talking 300mm heavy system, while the 220 mm Uragan shares most of the aspects, ammunition and versatility. Would be a better match with HIMARS, and fairer, to be honest, having similar caliber. HIMARS will loose this contest either, but with a smaller margin
Why you insist to compare something that runs in higher league is a mystery for me, but be my guest
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Singular_Transform Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:19 am
And generally, I am amazed with the Schizophren view of few.
In ships or aircraft carriers the bigger is better, more / heavier aircrafts showing the power and wealth of the nation, but in army weapons the smaller/lighter with less rockets and smaller warheads more advanced,.
Everyone running around smaller ships and carriers behave like a clown.
WTF?
By this calculation the Kuznetsov better than theFord nimity (the ford doesn't work ) , because it is smaller, has more versatile weapons and so on .
In ships or aircraft carriers the bigger is better, more / heavier aircrafts showing the power and wealth of the nation, but in army weapons the smaller/lighter with less rockets and smaller warheads more advanced,.
Everyone running around smaller ships and carriers behave like a clown.
WTF?
By this calculation the Kuznetsov better than the
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Belisarius Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:32 am
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" destroyed another American M777 howitzerJudging by the wear and tear of the bore and its cleanliness, the gun managed to fire just a couple of shots.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/17802?single
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