Russian Economy General News: #13

Scorpius wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

" The IFR’s use of the term “industrial robot” is based on the definition of the International Organization for Standardization: an “automatically controlled, reprogrammable multipurpose manipulator, programmable in three or more axes, which can be either fixed in place or fixed to a mobile platform for use in automation applications in an industrial environment". (ISO 8373:2021) "

In other words, "pseudo high-tech voodoo, which has an extremely limited range of applications in industrial technological operations."
For clarity, this is an industrial robot:


Do I need to explain the difference in performance between these two cases, and the level of demand in heavy engineering for each of them?
As I said earlier: It's nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

Then you must share your observations with Manturov and Putin since they want to increase Russian IR base base orders of magnitude.

Around 85,000 robots planned to be delivered to Russian enterprises by 2030

Denis Manturov also said that state support measures that will be available to manufacturers

MOSCOW, July 18. /TASS/. About 85,000 industrial robots are to be delivered to Russian enterprises by 2030 and more than half of them will be produced domestically, First Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov said in an interview with Rossiya-24 TV channel.

https://tass.com/economy/1818513


Rosatom Robotics dept
https://rosatom-service.ru/en/directions/robotics/

At the Chelyabinsk Forge-and-Press Plant, the President inspected the products manufactured there as part of the state defence order.


The President also visited the Robotics Factory, an enterprise that is engaged in the serial production and assembly of 6-axis industrial robotic manipulators. He visited an exhibit of import-substitution parts for industrial robots

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73471


BTW
Xiaomi assembly line





VAZ assembly line

As usual, Gunship you do not have much understanding in whatever you say.

You also need to take into consideration:
- Russias population vs China's. Why? More people need cars in China than in Russia. So you can mass produce vehicles compared to Russia through entire automation.
- What is happening to overall populations? Full automations means less workers. Less workers means less Jobs. Less jobs means less income coming in through taxation and less people purchasing. China faces an odd issue where in the neighboring regions away from the south east, people are predominantly poor with little options and thus stick to farming. Beijing and Shanghai? They cant get cheap labour anymore. Russia's mass industrialization isn't as localized as some people think. Automation in a lot of European and American enterprises are not even like China's. As well, workers are great to have currently to help deal with QA.
- Scorpius is actually correct in what he said. a massive Russian 3D printer making metal components and auto CNC machine is not classified as robotics. The biggest cost cutter is in the trained personnel needed for these parts as you need specialists. If that is replaced by a Massive 3d printer and auto CNC machine, it removes the human need for it and the machine will do that specific task faster. What you posted was a video showing assembly. I mean, assembly robots are nice but that is what already Togliatti already has. Just not complete automation of assembly.

sepheronx wrote:As usual, Gunship you do not have much understanding in whatever you say.

You also need to take into consideration:
- Russias population vs China's.  Why? More people need cars in China than in Russia.  So you can mass produce vehicles compared to Russia through entire automation.
- What is happening to overall populations? Full automations means less workers.  Less workers means less Jobs.  Less jobs means less income coming in through taxation and less people purchasing.  China faces an odd issue where in the neighboring regions away from the south east, people are predominantly poor with little options and thus stick to farming.  Beijing and Shanghai? They cant get cheap labour anymore.  Russia's mass industrialization isn't as localized as some people think.  Automation in a lot of European and American enterprises are not even like China's.  As well, workers are great to have currently to help deal with QA.
- Scorpius is actually correct in what he said.  a massive Russian 3D printer making metal components and auto CNC machine is not classified as robotics.  The biggest cost cutter is in the trained personnel needed for these parts as you need specialists.  If that is replaced by a Massive 3d printer and auto CNC machine, it removes the human need for it and the machine will do that specific task faster.  What you posted was a video showing assembly.  I mean, assembly robots are nice but that is what already Togliatti already has. Just not complete automation of assembly.

Sepheronx, please take a moment to carefully read my post before replying—it usually helps to avoid misunderstandings or ad hominem arguments.

I didn't refer to CNC/Printers. CNC machines or 3D printers and IRs are completely different—like apples and oranges. I was specifically referring to the IR part. An IR is a high-tech product, not some kind of "voodoo."

And yes, it plays a significant role in workforce replacement, which is a critical need for Russia right now. While China is struggling with the rising cost of labor, Russia faces a shortage of workers altogether. Why else would Putin and Manturov suddenly push for more IRs in Russian industry? Doesn't sound like "voodoo," does it?

Regards

I really do not think you are understanding this conversation.

Industrial robots is to replace a workforce for complete automation. But it is for something trivial. You remove a workforce by complete automation is gonna lead to a massive deficit in work. Something already plenty in China are actively worried about. Something that has also lead to a stagnation sort of "growth" in China which resulted in China looking at property management as a way to increase economics".

You need a balance, something Russia needs to do. Industrial Robots could help but isn't be all solution. Real robotics isn't what you classify as IR because that is just a broad term. Auto CNC is actual IR too and you can wish it isn't the case all you want but it isn't my problem. And Auto CNC and 3D printers are indeed a form of industrial roboticization that removes a major fundamental issue of skilled labor force. Assembly robots do not. If that was the case, then auto workers of Ontario would be revolting and Canadian automotive industry would be in major trouble.