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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:17 pm

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    Post  Arrow Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:21 pm

    Another destroyed T-72M1
    https://t.me/voenacher/28097

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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:28 pm

    Demi at military summary is pretty even keeled about his analysis.

    He's already calling this the biggest defeat of the war in 8 years

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    Post  franco Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:46 pm

    Apparently troops for this offense were brought down from manning the Belarus border and now reinforcements are being pulled up from Odessa. Makes you wonder if Zelensky is actually working for the Russians Suspect You guys wait here and I'll bring you some fresh meat Shocked

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:56 pm

    Judging by the footage that's coming out in droves now, it was an outright slaughter.

    I geolocated a couple of videos of UA armor getting blown up and they hadn't even crossed the Kherson oblast border before (presumably) Krasnopols struck.

    Tellingly, UA authorities today issued new, even stricter "guidelines" for domestic reporting on the progress of the war, basically outlawing everything except their own releases.

    Many months ago they made it a crime (years in prison) for civilians to post photos/videos of Russian strikes, which naturally led to a dramatic downtick in that (and the few that kept coming were usually pixelated beyond recognition), making it difficult to figure out what was actually struck (the official reports always said school for the deaf or peaceful mall or whatever, which was never the case while good material was available, go figure).

    Kudos to them for being able to control the narrative to such an extent, it is militarily sound, albeit extremely disingenuous.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:55 pm

    Here is some Z to wash away the bad aftertaste of Western propaganda mouthpieces of the last few pages.

    RF troops battle in Kharkov region


    The first finished residential complex in Mariupol


    Wagner PMC tanks targeting Ukrainian army near Artyomovsk


    Ukrainian Kherson Offensive

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:So far what I have read, Slovakia is sending 30 BVP-1 to Ukraine in exchange for 15 leopard 2 (early versions) and Slovakia wants to sell its 11 Mig-29 to Ukraine and neighboring countries will provide air cover for Slovakia. Slovakia have ordered 14 F-16 for $1.6bn and they won't be delivered until sometime during2024. And Germany is struggling to even equip it's own armed forces Has anyone heard anything different?


    NATO in Europe is drawing weapons and gear from it's own combat-ready units to send to Ukraine.
    Optics, protection gear, Munitions, you name it.

    I mean, it was not like all the deployments to Afghanistan and budget cuts made us an prepared army anyway.

    I am still in a chat group here and there, lot's of guys complaining that that indeed they got told replacements will take at least 3 years.
    Weapon manufacturers of my nations millitary say it is not a question of money, but a question of resources where there is an global shortage off and the depleted job market of trained specialists that can make them.

    But western Governments don't care and just take the gear from their own units and send it off to Ukraine.
    Guys are voicing their intention to leave the millitary, that they are not going to fight the next war with throwing Rocks.
    Or wait for when finally they get their gear back to do proper training.

    Amazing management, not only do you send your army's gear to Ukraine that cant be replaced easily.
    Also your Troops are looking for employment elsewhere while vacancies where already only filled 60 to 65 percent.

    So yes, Russia is chewing up NATO's own battle-readiness in Ukraine.
    Well, what was left of that NATO wet paper tiger anyway....

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    Post  dionis Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:16 pm

    Is there a website archiving the Russian MOD daily briefings? It should be interesting to count up their claimed Ukranian Air Force losses and compare them to known inventories.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote: rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb.

    Where's Vann7 when you (don't) need him?

    Oh wait

    I appreciate your point, but pls don't repeat this wall of retarded nonsense. Most of us have this clown on ignore for a very good reason...

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:19 pm

    I wonder how many of those T-72M1's can be recovered, fixed and updated? I imagine they would be more beneficial than the T-62's sent to DNR and LNR forces.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:24 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:08/30/2022

    Business newspaper "Vzglyad"
    The United States has found a replacement for the "ghost of Kiev" in Afghanistan

    Somehow I don't think the master race of the Banderastani "First Men" will take kindly to needing Afghans to fly their war planes Razz

    What does it say about the flower of Ukr nationalist manhood when they must turn to Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks to fight their pogroms for them?

    Clown Empire indeed. clown

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:54 am

    reddits breakdown is funny https://old.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/x1ul0u/100_days_in_russian_captivity_as_a_pov/

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:25 am

    thegopnik wrote:reddits breakdown is funny https://old.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/x1ul0u/100_days_in_russian_captivity_as_a_pov/

    Dude ain't even that thin.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:53 am

    sepheronx wrote:I wonder how many of those T-72M1's can be recovered, fixed and updated?  I imagine they would be more beneficial than the T-62's sent to DNR and LNR forces.

    A couple captured T-72Ms over the past months have been repurposed and put into DNR service already. Why not.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:06 am

    heres the counteroffensive results Embarassed

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:26 am

    thegopnik wrote:reddits breakdown is funny https://old.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/x1ul0u/100_days_in_russian_captivity_as_a_pov/
    Reddit is a shitty propaganda dump. Any insults are allegedly prohibited in this community, but the comments are completely insults to Russians, and no one does anything about it. I believe that the entire Reddit leadership should be destroyed as terrorists and Nazis.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:42 am

    Ukrainian MIG -29 launching HARM

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:06 am

    sepheronx wrote:I wonder how many of those T-72M1's can be recovered, fixed and updated?  I imagine they would be more beneficial than the T-62's sent to DNR and LNR forces.

    Hopefully none.
    Those are really old tanks, with a really outdated armor package consisting of sand cavities and an additional 16mm plate.
    Russkie have thousands of equal pieces in storage, all 72A represent the same level.
    62M with BDD add-on armor package and Volna FCS is a much better option, believe me.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:13 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I wonder how many of those T-72M1's can be recovered, fixed and updated?  I imagine they would be more beneficial than the T-62's sent to DNR and LNR forces.

    Hopefully none.
    Those are really old tanks, with a really outdated armor package consisting of sand cavities and an additional 16mm plate.
    Russkie have thousands of equal pieces in storage, all 72A represent the same level.
    62M with BDD add-on armor package and Volna FCS is a much better option, believe me.

    OK, that is good to know. I figured that the T-72A would have an auto loader and the 120mm turret would give it an advantage over the T-62M.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:09 am

    Pakistan has delivered 122mm artillery and 82mm mortar ammunition to Ukraine for use against Russian troops, via British C-17 transporters.

    UK paid for the ammo.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I wonder how many of those T-72M1's can be recovered, fixed and updated?  I imagine they would be more beneficial than the T-62's sent to DNR and LNR forces.

    Hopefully none.
    Those are really old tanks, with a really outdated armor package consisting of sand cavities and an additional 16mm plate.
    Russkie have thousands of equal pieces in storage, all 72A represent the same level.
    62M with BDD add-on armor package and Volna FCS is a much better option, believe me.

    OK, that is good to know.  I figured that the T-72A would have an auto loader and the 120mm turret would give it an advantage over the T-62M.

    You were in a hurry, so you wrote 120 instead of 125mm.. Very Happy

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    Post  LMFS Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:17 am

    Russell Bentley's take on what comes next:

    PHASE 3 — THE SEPTEMBER OFFENSIVE


    I have predicted that a major Russian/Republican offensive will begin on September 1st. There are multiple reasons I think this, some tactical, some strategic, some pragmatic, some symbolic. Taken together, I find them quite convincing.

    1) Russia needs to regain the military initiative. While progress has been made through hard fighting, the fact is that the Donbass Front in the DPR remains virtually unchanged, and neither of the major objectives - Mari'inka or Avdiivka have been taken. Peski was hard won, but a minor victory, and advances beyond the western edge of the village have not materialized.

    2) Donetsk, the strategic main city of Donbass, remains under heavy shelling, which has a seriously negative effect on local morale, as well as Russian and international perception of how the Operation is proceeding. The water supply, filtration and pumping stations also remain under shelling, and they are currently operating at about 25% of capacity. This seriously affects millions of DPR citizens, not just in Donetsk, but all the way from Makeevka to Mariupol.

    3) The continued shelling of the Russian held Zaporozhia Nuclear Power Plant by US/Ukraine forces is not only a grave danger to Donbass, Southern Russia and beyond, it is a political, and therefore strategic military, threat and liability. The attacks on the ZNPP continue to be the overarching wild card of the Operation, with unpredictable possible consequences. It must be protected, and doing so must be Russia's number one priority. While the IAEA has made some promising gestures, it has become clear that the Administration of the General Secretary of the UN has been corrupted and co-opted, and diplomacy and reason will not be enough to prevent further attacks and provocations on the ZNPP.

    4) Winter is coming. Autumn is now here. Russia has a short window of opportunity to achieve and cement its military goals in Ukraine before the weather becomes a major detriment to the Russian Army's ability to maneuver. The falling of the leaves is a substantial advantage for advancing troops searching for dug in defenders in rural areas. But it must also be remembered that while winter ice and snow are very substantial factors influencing the ability of heavy armored columns to move, rain and the ensuing mud are even more of an obstacle, and before winter snow comes autumn rain. And mud.

    5) Russia is ready now. There is no time like the present, there is no good reason for further delay. Along the Ukrainian border, from Belgorod to Crimea, Russia has amassed a fighting force capable of decisive blows against the military forces of the Kiev regime. This, thus far, includes over 400 fixed wing combat aircraft and over 300 attack and transport helicopters, the 15,000 man 3rd Corps, and over 60,000 Russian troops poised and prepared to advance into Ukraine at any time. The 3rd corp is freshly trained, rested and equipped with modern weapons that have not previously been used in the conflict, including T-80BV, T-90M, BMP3 and upgraded EW and air defenses. The 3rd Corps was in Taganrok two day ago, but has already begun to arrive near the Donetsk Front. A reinforcement of 75,000 men would represent a 50% increase in Russian combat forces in Ukraine, which considering Russia's previous successes, could well prove to be decisive.

    6) Eighty three years ago, on September 1st, 1939, German nazis invaded Poland in what was to become the beginning of the Second World War. Dmitry Medvedev has recently and explicitly explained that Russia is in Ukraine «to prevent the Third World War». It would be wholly appropriate for Russia to begin the third and final phase of its de-nazification of Ukraine on that symbolic date.

    =======================================================================

    All of the above leads to the conclusion that a new major Russian offensive is as imminent as it is inevitable. The first goals will be the elimination of threats to the Severodonetsk water supply, Donbass cities and civilians, and the ZNPP. These are primary goals. Subsequent liberation of Kharkov and Odessa in a prompt and timely manner will allow Russia to spend the winter consolidation and reinforcing its gains in the majority Russian areas of Ukraine, aka «Novorussia», and allow preparation for the liberation of Kiev and however much more of Ukraine Russia deems necessary to achieve its security requirements. Good luck and Godspeed.

    https://vk.com/@donbasstexac-phase-3-the-september-offensive

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    OK, that is good to know.  I figured that the T-72A would have an auto loader and the 120mm turret would give it an advantage over the T-62M.

    Yes they would, but being bigger, heavier, less robust, and having an old FCS with no ATGM channel.
    Even the modified M1R - is easy to distinguish as they have a round window of the thermal camera in FCS cupola and lacks the IR searchlight - can't fire guided missiles, and uses outdated stabilization and ammunition that is ineffective against all modern Russian tanks. If the Ukrs will use their own ammo, they are still lagging behind.
    Still having T-72B/80B/80BW left in storage, 72M1 is not a big deal. I suppose that Ruskie don't even have a modernization program that would fit them scratch

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