Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

ATLASCUB wrote:The Kherson counter offensive is as successful as Russia's current offensive towards Kramatorsk. We all remember after all that big time patriot, the big guy Shoigu, the smart and competent, meaning business, while visiting the troops, said, and I paraphrase more or less, "forward...full on assault."

The dimwits and the propaganda obviously rolling with the flag...."The rout is inevitable", "the third stage is on!"    

Failed offensives should be rightfully laughed at, equally in measure considering force of arms disparity. God knows how many cumulative stages and plans we're currently sitting on.  

To watch this operation come to more or less an impasse says it all, so much so that even the Ukies start to get ideas of making counteroffensives of their own across the line, due in no small part I bet to UK/USA prodding. Besides... probing fails nothing. You always have to constantly probe. You never know where the crack is going to appear, even if one never does and your efforts end in futility. It's better if they end in futility that to never try and question, what if?

Back to the smart guys....."Everything is going according to plan!" "No need to mobilize" ... but trust us we do need to mobilize nation wide a volunteer operation to recruit volunteer units...... +1 for optics

wait a sec?   -1 for effectiveness.

Trust Shoigu and the general staff! They know better than you peasant! How dare you?  - in Greta's voice.

To borrow someone's phrase, exactness not required... "patriots on the case". "Eyes on the prize gentleman".

What's even funnier is watching Medvedev loudly voicing his bosses wish of a military coup in Ukraine, as if Putin's cries earlier in the operation calling for one weren't noticed by anyone paying attention (to deal with people not on cocaine aka "coup him please"). Seems the encouragement and signals from the Kremlin, in their clear desperation, continue to fall on deaf ears.

Problem is, clearly no one wants to be a hero for Russia's elites...... the idiot that thought he could organize something, is currently jailed for "treason", and easily caught and neutralized too, very early at that .... not to mention that those in a position to currently do something, aka the top brass of Ukraine's general staff are, more than probable, under CIA/MI6 payroll anyway, assets planted (or co-opted in the last 8 years) exactly for this "glorious/inglorious moment" - pov....... never say never to a late call switch but... the odds are not in your favor, unless some variables change, and they MUST change.

Good luck to the Kremlin boys... they clearly have been running low on that front, on their own backyard! To think of it deeply... it's beyond an insult, and a humiliation!

You have to ask yourself what could Russia do for these political/military elites, the ones who should embark on this "righteous coup", that the anglo's can't? Money/Power? Corruption without accountability? - the anglos deliver that - best in business.

And for what should these elites rebel? To suck on the Russian elites tit? They are clearly tired of that taste. And for what, to invite the anglo's/european elite's wrath (sanctions, for self and family - including asset(wealth seizure) + banned from EU travel and restrictions + be added to a hitlist).... What's the benefit of being an elite if you can live your outsized life above the peasants as gods on earth?

Clearly the Kievan rats fear losing those privileges much more than an Iskander hitting a "decision making center" aka Putin's special bluff. The Kievan elites are not shitting their pants, to the contrary, they're showing, in their more or less united front how much disdain, and lack of fear they have for Russian elites and what they represent.... and since Russia refuses to do what is required to make these individuals shit their pants....welll.....can't fix the foolish.

Human psychology is simple - if you can't be loved, then you better be _________. Who said that btw? Pick a book and find out! Classics! The rules of empire and politics! Perfected ages ago!

Only fools try to reinvent simple concepts of human nature with failed rationality. And fools can be "smart guys" with esteemed careers, with bows and ties.... specially when outside of their managerial comfort zone with multiple real-time variables. Turns out not many are really that smart, just good managers, in peace-time. The longer these Kievan elites have power, the more bodies, the longer the resistance, the more civilians deaths (current false reason marketed to the plebs as to why decision making centers have yet to be blown up sky high - "think of the civilians" - total oxymoron, the longer these rats live, the more people die). And if you truly intended on fully demilitarizing Ukraine, then that includes taking out by first order of business the commander in chief of the military - that is Zelesnky, his general staff, and anyone aiding and abetting the Ukranina war effort! And so if effectiveness is the rule you should be guided by... they're priority targets #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. But clearly some decided to wage a different war....cause.... "We can reinvent the wheel of human nature with our smarts, as the most civilized and gracious unlike our savage and primitive opponents"...."and if in our drunken arrogance, masking deep seated insecurities, least of which are inferiority complexes, we fail, we can always settle for a deal... our sheeple won't do shit, proven circa 1991".

So the obvious falls on your lap. Full demilitarization is obviously just another slogan for the plebs... otherwise they wouldn't have been negotiating first week into the war, and failing to achieve the objectives of such, they would have taken out these Kievan elites on a concerted comprehensive hunt, as part of a plan B. Not Plan F or L or Z.

So it's not because of civilians obv - that's just for the uneducated sheep, the dimwitts. What's really more close to the truth is that a hunt for these Kievan rats opens up a hornets nest with incalculable variables and opens up the chance that Russian elites become fair game if a deterrent is not enforced properly. Looking at Dugin's daughter's death... clearly the message was sent, and delivered. Nothing shits the pants of Russian elites more than meeting lord Jesus the savior early after amassing so much wealth on the sweat and tears of the Russian sheeple (after all that's what the Soviet collapse was all about - the politburo wanted the western elite life - the life of the western oligarch - they "earned it!"). Much better to have a coup so they deal with themselves or force them to voluntarily flee and thus "not making "us" get our hands truly dirty and in the mud, with some dirt potentially splashing on one of ours"... well obviously... and who doesn't saw that play coming and prepared for it?... Welcome to current reality...

Anyway it's no surprise these Kievan elites, by staying put, say to Putin/Medevev, "thanks but no thanks - we're not fucking stupid, so keep crying". Which obviously begs the question... were the Russian elite truly that deluded to think they can out-compete the anglo's in the elite-buy in game? That simple intimidation and promises of "riches as brothers" was all that was required? Was the miscalculation so big that there was no back-up plan to take out these elites (political/military) in the event that these elites failed to get the memo, that is, to backstab the regime, and become the "Ukranian brotherly heroes" Russia expected somehow to opportunistically rise, to shake the regime from within - and thus weaken it/destroy it?

The desperation is palpable and in the air. Negotiations offers as "coded signals" by mouthpieces of the "right path to take" will continue to be brushed aside and thrown into the garbage bin because Russia has not earned anything more than that....

Russia will need to commit much more and occupy infinitely more land, and take out some high profile political/military elites who are safe/protected by the anglos  (that is, break the spell) before any cracks show in the regime. Until then... the only thing we're going to hear about, from both sides, is a lot of bullshit, propaganda and feel good nonsense to shore up the sheeple who blindly cheer on either side.

This forum is clearly losing bodies here too... more muted enthusiasm and more lurking until the "big news" that refuses to arrive eventually arrives... so that every dimwitt here can fake their total unshaken faith in the outcome propagandized and prophesied in their tiny brains..... as if the cognitive dissonance caused by the constant garbage propaganda for the last 8 years before the SMO wasn't enough. Then again, emotional dimwitts can't be helped, it's an emotional investment on team and outcome - the human condition. To accept reality is the path towards many ills, including dangerous stages of anger and disillusionment, followed by depression. Happened once in 1991... can't happen again! So the path is inevitable... to become drunk on Hope! ...not rational critical self-thinking.

TMA1 wrote:J The line between citizen and soldier is blending as this war is as much an infowar as it is a conventional conflict. Frankly all of us are left out on critical knowledge that is key to understanding what is actually going on. As a result we are mostly stuck with the propaganda of western, Russian, and Chinese media and all we can do is sift thru it all the best we can and divide by two.