Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

mr_hd wrote:Most people here are extremely delusional.
War that Russia started in Ukraine will not be won, Russia is running out of options and its leadership is still extremely arrogant and way over confident, so the fall into reality will be more hard I am afraid.

From pure militaristic point, once one shuts down emotions, Ukrainian execution past two months is simply brilliant and Russian forces were totally outmaneuvered, outstretched and outfoxed - that is simple hard truth and situation on the front reflects that.

Be aware that Ukraine will now get more united and resolute. Their goal and position is simple- Russian forces are invading army into the teritory of soverign country, it will be kicked out and its staying on the Ukrainian soil is non negotiable. They will not give a crap what Russia will say about that and will fight till their land is free. That is message sent to Russia from the day one and Ukraine is delivering to that promise.

Russian side on the other side has nor clear militarly speaking goals, they changed couple of times already and even its military does not have pure picture what their overall end goal is there. That is bad position to be in addition to front line that is more than 1500km long. I feel sorry to Russian soldiers that  are sent  into such a mess and to all pro Russian population there.

Russia does not have man power to rule Ukraine, that story is over couple of years ago.

Ps. and it is not first time in history that great power will lose war against smaller opponent, look into Vietnam or Afganistan examples...

sepheronx wrote:

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:

Told you. Su-34 and su-30 have no room for modern bathlefield. They are huge and easy to target for radar systems.

Would be the same for f-15.

Do you have the numbers of all the Su-30/34's lost so far during this conflict. I think they had about 280 or so in service?

Ask as well how many sorties they done as well.

Isos doesn't actually know, none of us knows.

ALAMO wrote:Oh shit, that must have been massive

mr_hd wrote:Most people here are extremely delusional.
War that Russia started in Ukraine will not be won, Russia is running out of options and its leadership is still extremely arrogant and way over confident, so the fall into reality will be more hard I am afraid.

From pure militaristic point, once one shuts down emotions, Ukrainian execution past two months is simply brilliant and Russian forces were totally outmaneuvered, outstretched and outfoxed - that is simple hard truth and situation on the front reflects that.

Be aware that Ukraine will now get more united and resolute. Their goal and position is simple- Russian forces are invading army into the teritory of soverign country, it will be kicked out and its staying on the Ukrainian soil is non negotiable. They will not give a crap what Russia will say about that and will fight till their land is free. That is message sent to Russia from the day one and Ukraine is delivering to that promise.

Russian side on the other side has nor clear militarly speaking goals, they changed couple of times already and even its military does not have pure picture what their overall end goal is there. That is bad position to be in addition to front line that is more than 1500km long. I feel sorry to Russian soldiers that  are sent  into such a mess and to all pro Russian population there.

Russia does not have man power to rule Ukraine, that story is over couple of years ago.

Ps. and it is not first time in history that great power will lose war against smaller opponent, look into Vietnam or Afganistan examples...

Isos wrote:
Very few since even the soldiers on the ground were wondering where the air force disapeared.
With the su-25, I think the overall number should be 12 or so jets lost which is too much.
Abd lot of sorties are made to launch missiles like kh-31 or kh-29/59 from russian controlled territory.

caveat emptor wrote:

Isos wrote:
Very few since even the soldiers on the ground were wondering where the air force disapeared.

With the su-25, I think the overall number should be 12 or so jets lost which is too much.

Abd lot of sorties are made to launch missiles like kh-31 or kh-29/59 from russian controlled territory.

In Desert Storm Allies lost 75 planes in same time. And Iraqi AD was antiquated mish mash of systems and without any outside  help Ukrainians have. I wouldn't be surprised that Ukrainians get real time coverage of their skies from US AWACS planes flying around.

Hole wrote:Long lines at petrol stations, people waiting for hours for bread. Civilians suffer so that the Nazi suicide squad can drive into action on the back of old western APC´s.

limb wrote:A flight of 50 Su-24Ms with svp-24s and 6 fab 500seach, and 40 Su-34s armed with 2 KAB-1500Ss, escorted by 60 Su-30SMsshpuld be sent to bomb at least 10 of the dniepr bridges.

Firebird wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Finally hearing some good news that Russia is escalating and actually hitting Ukronazis where it hurts tonight. Good! But more needs to be done. Cyber warfare attack on the whole of Ukraine. Bomb Kiev like NATO bombed Belgrade, bomb everything important in the country. Wipe it off the map!!! Increase the troops levels, increase heavy weaponry and start using the latest and best weaponry, go on the offensive in the east and tell Belarus to invade from the north. Go all out!!! Please Russia!!!

You dont need to carpet bomb Kiev or similar places
Its the Mother City of the Rus with vast numbers of pro RUssians and valuable buildings and cathedrals.
Bomb the cities of Russia's enemies. Kiev is occupied by the enemy.
Hit military barracks and the like not pro Russian people.

And BTW the levels of pro Bandera-scum, pro GATO faggotry are an embarrassment to read let alone post. Its like a Western faggot "pride" week with its gargantuan levels of idiocy.

Russia needs to hit hard but people don't listen to Banderashills for your "news". ANd Western MSM is NOT a credible source. Simple stuff really.

walle83 wrote:

limb wrote:A flight of 50 Su-24Ms with svp-24s and 6 fab 500seach, and 40 Su-34s armed with 2 KAB-1500Ss, escorted by 60 Su-30SMsshpuld be sent to bomb at least 10 of the dniepr bridges.

If Russia wants to loose half of all the aircrafts to Ukraine air defence, sure go for it.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I was thinking at the consequence for the future of malarossiya, without all those powerplants.

Then I thought that they were all soviet built and at least 40 years old. They need to be retired and new more modern powerplants needs to be built.
So basically the Russians are only anticipating the retirement of a few years. Once the area comes under russian control they can anyway link it to the Russian energy grid.

I am more worried for Chernobyl and the remaining nuclear power plants in the rest of the ukraine. There are two in North west Ukraine, not far from the belorussian border and one in the north of Nikolayev oblast.
I fear the Ukrainians will try to create an accident in one of those...

ALAMO wrote:You know what?
This is the kind of scenario I was considering in Jan/Feb.
Russia using its overwhelming technological advantage, and just bomb the shit out of them
And asking once a day, are they done already?
Hit the targets one by one, down to the list, waiting until they will get some sanity.
Well, it didn't end up this way, so I still have an aired question : why?
And more and more I am convinced, that they knew something that changed the situation drastically.

Hole wrote:

Hole wrote:
I´m more and more getting the impression that the summer months were just a preparation. Killing scores of Nazi fighters, destroying a lot of the military infrastructure. Getting your own troops into the right positions. Look at all those rotations and re-groupings in the last weeks. All the stuff coming out of depots and getting refurbished. All those volunteer units coming "online".