Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

GarryB wrote:

The thing is that Russia does not have unlimited air defence vehicles and equipment so if you want every little town and village and bridge and power station and everything else to be guarded you wont be able to put three batteries at each location... if you tried then there would be enormous numbers of potential targets you can't protect and of course they are going to be the ones that they attack.

I think it is rather impressive that Russian air defence is such that they try day after day to find gaps in the defence and most of the time they fail.

if there was a 300km buffer,  no need to have air defense posted at every town, just IED search

Of course if you concentrate your resources eventually you will find a gap... to call that a victory is amusing.

push them back from the border , thats all

I meant rapid in the sense that it was really the first time they took ground from Russian forces that hadn't already been given up and they just moved into.

Coordination of forces is critical and if Russia can do something about Starlink then the Orcs have zero chance at all because an enlarged Russian force on attack will simply mop them up like the rubbish they are.

they did get slaughtered, they took thousands of deaths, those defenders should have been reinforced

There I disagree... just plain manpower rushes don't work... without management and coordination and communication such things end in slaughter and not much else.

Moving forward with large numbers of men means you can probe the enemies defences and find weak points but without communication and control you can't exploit those weakpoints. Without starlink they would not be able to communicate and push in weak areas and concentrate forces in those weak areas to gain ground.. and once you have the enemy back pedaling you can then swing around and attack some of the units beside them from a second direction which puts more pressure on them... all this needs planning and coordination... taking in information from the battlefield in real time and using it to direct troops and form pockets.

they took over 6000 deaths to take Liman, a reinforcements of a brigade or even 2 battalions would have been enough  

A terrorist act of a desperate terrorist state... they are digging their nails into your hands as you hack their head off... now you can stop hacking their heads off and cry about the pain in your hands or just get the job done and send these witches to hell.

push them back, reduce their strike ability


Putin didn't give them the weapons they are using and promised not to use against Russian territory to those who gave these systems to them.

In war there are losses... if you are going to squeal and bitch and moan and cry about every little pinprick attack then stop watching... war is not for you.

You can't have a slaughterhouse without blood on the floor or your clothes...

we both know they can be pushed from the border easily, if not something is wrong with the army


Why do we have members posting his shit propaganda... most of the time they remove his name because they know he is full of shit but they post it anyway.

because the effect of hitting a russian airport says a lot, not that technology is failing, but that the strategy is


You are watching a master chief make a meal and you are crying because the eggs and flour are making a mess and oh he is using so many bowls and dishes that will need to be washed.

Have you ever been on a construction site for a new building... all the mess everywhere and all the incomplete jobs that need to be done... but they need to be done in order... you don't lay the carpet and paint the walls at the start... you leave that as long as possible so that people doing other jobs don't mess up the carpet  or mark the paint on the walls.

we both know Russia can push these nazis back by using more brutal shelling and bombing methods, but if you want more russian casualties, let is be so

billybatts91 wrote:These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Su-34s could be transiting or being repaired/armed there- normal peacetime deployments can't be counted now.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-making-excuses-for-not-stopping-us-himars-in-ukraine-2022-10

Isos wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.

They aren't running low on missiles. They are just too expensive to use against small targets in huge numbers. Add to this they don't use dumb bombs all over ukraine from su-34, they needed a solution. Iranian drobes are that solution.

Russians should have known that and after seeing the good results of suicide drones by azeri against Armenia, they should have invested quickly in their own Kub and Lancet.

Podlodka77 wrote:Billy boy, calculate the following if you are able..….
1. Russia has 14 missile brigades armed with Iskander...
2. Each brigade has 12 launch vehicles with 2 missiles per vehicle.
3. Each brigade has 12 transporter-loader vehicles with 2 missiles per vehicle.
4. 14 rocket brigades X 12 launch vehicles equals 168 missiles + 168 missiles on transporter-loader machines..That is 336 missiles.
And after all, the Russians have never written anywhere that one missile brigade is limited exclusively to missiles that are already on TEL vehicles and on transporter and loader vehicles.

billybatts91 wrote:These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.

Azi wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.

Russia has no missiles since 20.03.2022...everything you saw were dishwashers and washing machines! Hahaha ;D

The Geran-2 are genius in every way. They cost only 2000 $ each and they trigger the whole ukrainian air defense! Hahaha i saw in the last days dozens of destroyed ukrainan AD-Systems...from Buk to S-300. In a few weeks Ukraine will run low with missiles on every system they have....paving the way for an air campaign. And with the birg birds you can destroy bridges, attack logistic routes etc.

But what really amazes me is that Ukraine doesn't have guns to shoot down the Geran-2. Don't they really have any more ZSU-23-4? What do the "Gepard" tanks do? Where are they?

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Until now, I am not aware of any real evidence of the alleged use of Iranian weapons by Russia in Ukraine.
I only see some analysts, commenting, but they are just rumors, without real proof.
Maybe I'm wrong.
If anyone can put up any proof of Iranian arms aid, I'd be grateful.

Isos wrote:Geran is used deep inside Ukraine. The AD systems taken out were destroyed by zala lancet which have shorter ranges. Which is tge way to go.

Ukraine is a big country. Gepards have 3km range and they received 6 or so. No way they can do anything but down obe or two if they are lucky.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:

Azi wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Until now, I am not aware of any real evidence of the alleged use of Iranian weapons by Russia in Ukraine.
I only see some analysts, commenting, but they are just rumors, without real proof.
Maybe I'm wrong.
If anyone can put up any proof of Iranian arms aid, I'd be grateful.

Iranian design but probably assembled in Russia.

Because of decades of sanctions, Iranians are masters at cheaply manufacturing weapons. Nowhere on the planet you find more bang for the buck than shopping in Iran! The weapons are very simple, but against some opponents you don't need high end weapons. As I wrote the Iskander is 85 % complete overkill! Against other opponents the drones might not be that useful but against Ukraine they are very helpful.

I do not doubt the Iranian capacity at all.
And obviously, I would like them to have better relations with Russia.
And that the Russians sell them modern weapons such as Su-57, S-400, etc.
Which I was wondering if they are really arming Russia right now.
Whether it's drones or the mislies that are so much talked about.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:

sepheronx wrote:A lot of fake info is being pushed about Iran's contribution to this.  It's a push narrative that Russia has ran out of weapons.

That Russia was left without weapons is something that only the naive can believe.
And those interested in ucros repeat it.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:

sepheronx wrote:A lot of fake info is being pushed about Iran's contribution to this.  It's a push narrative that Russia has ran out of weapons.

That Russia was left without weapons is something that only the naive can believe.
And those interested in ucros repeat it.

thegopnik wrote:

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trying to get saudis friendly with iran is like trying to get the chinese to be friendly with india.

ALAMO wrote:

Hole wrote:
Not much to learn here. The Geran-2 is on the level of the La-17 produced in the 50´s and 60´s. It´s just that the russian leadership (political and/or military) deemded it more useful to invest in drones like the Okhotnik which is decades ahead of anything that Iran can produce.

G2 is CHEAP.
That closes the case, it is simply a mindblowing cost-effective.
I am not sure what in detail makes you C_P wonder about the price factor
Nobody said it costs $300, what you seem to perform.
The engine that powers it is Iranian made, and has been so for about a decade.
It is called MADO550, and is a close clone of Limbach L550.
Some parts of it are made of plastic, as it is a single-use piece.

...
The retail price of a similar Chinese-made engine with a 40-50KM range is about $1000, but we talk a normal piece rated for regular use for motorboats, trolleys etc.
My friend owns a trolley powered with this kind of engine, he paid some $1200 for it.
Iran is much more cost-effective, as the PPP heavily favors them. And we don't talk about the retail prices obviously.

This thing costs nothing in military grade price tag.

Podlodka77 wrote:Billy boy, calculate the following if you are able..….
1. Russia has 14 missile brigades armed with Iskander...
2. Each brigade has 12 launch vehicles with 2 missiles per vehicle.
3. Each brigade has 12 transporter-loader vehicles with 2 missiles per vehicle.
4. 14 rocket brigades X 12 launch vehicles equals 168 missiles + 168 missiles on transporter-loader machines..That is 336 missiles.
And after all, the Russians have never written anywhere that one missile brigade is limited exclusively to missiles that are already on TEL vehicles and on transporter and loader vehicles.

billybatts91 wrote:These Iranian weapons have been good but it does show that Russia is running low on their own missiles right now, proving the West right at least for the time being sadly.