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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29
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https://thesaker.is/a-few-updates-about-the-nato-crusade-against-russia/
Poles were asked which is the worst neighbouring country.
Poles were asked which is the worst neighbouring country.
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kvs wrote:The hysteria over how many people are being evacuated in Kherson is absurd. Is this supposed to be some massive victory by
the Kiev regime? So now attacks on civilians are considered military achievements? GTFO.
Ukraine will suppress supply lines there - even Russian army is having issues to be supplied in that area. So of course it is reasonable to be ready for worst case scenario and make sure civilians are not trapped before they are fully cut off - nothing special in that. No one knows what will be outcome of those fighting at the moment.
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Today's attacks on Russians become tomorrow's pics of Russians committing war crimes. Yes, the Nazis brag on twitter with pics of dead Russians and then the western press says "another Russian war crime." The mental gymnastics needed to make up these lies for the western press is only surpassed by the stupidity, gullibility, and stupidity of the intended audience. No wonder Indian telephone and Nigerian email scammers keep preying on Americans and Brits. They know we don't learn from scams because we are so gullible and so ignorant and really the proxy war and all related propaganda is just one more scam and go figure just like a bad game of 3 card monte people keep falling for it.kvs wrote:The hysteria over how many people are being evacuated in Kherson is absurd. Is this supposed to be some massive victory by
the Kiev regime? So now attacks on civilians are considered military achievements? GTFO.
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LOL!! Murkan idiots... 
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Arrow wrote:Another Kh 101 flew.
You're just using Iraqi scuds launched by Trebuchets, you haven't had rockets since March. The Pentagon said so. . . .
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Here we are again.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.
If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.
Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.
If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.
Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29
flamming_python Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:40 pm
ALAMO wrote:A friend of mine is an ex AD battalion commander.
He graduated 2 years of military college for that purpose, but after that, he needed half a year of extensive training to operate ZSU-23-4 in particular.
Operators were trained for a year.
And that was quite easy to master system, with low complication, and made in the Soviet school. So familiar to the cadres already, they just switched from ZU-23-2.
This whole circus represents only one thing. NATO owns no bloody reserves, and those are not standardized. Each country in NATO has its own assets, own systems, and I have no clue how this even can work together. Ther is no bloody way that a skilled AD operator from Poland can just take the delivered spare system provided by other allied member state and fight with it. Same applies to the Germans, as the MEADS is not a Patriot, Iris is not NASAM etc. Same applies to the French, as they have very own systems nobody uses and knows.
To place it into perspective, Feb2022 Ukrs owned about 250 pcs of S-300PS system. TWO HUNDRED FIFTY. Along with about 80 pcs of Buk-M and Buk-M1 pieces, +/-40 S-125 on stationary positions.
They should have hell of 2K12 Kub systems, as they have offered them for export in modified version called Kvadrat 2D.
They have owned some 200 of Osa, dozens of 2K22 Tunguska, and multiple Tor units.
Now, the western shitstream is trying to tell us, that providing them 20-30 pcs of different systems nobody in Ukr knows how to operate, maintain, repair etc will be a gamechanger.
Another Wunderwaffe, anoder gamechanger, while the only reason is to pretend that they are so fukin' helpful and mighty. Maybe Ukrs will die for that a month longer.
All these countries will donate their own personnel as well
That's obvious
In Vietnam it was Soviet specialists manning surface-to-air missile systems; at least many of them.
And so far in the Ukraine at least the HIMARS reportedly has been operated by US advisers.
crod wrote:Would much rather see these systems taken out as they arrive in the country or via sabotage as they arrive in Poland or wherever.
I’m surprised Russia doesn’t have better human intel on these shipments so they can be pounded as they arrive by train or plane in the way that israelis do when Iranian gear lands in Syria etc.
Knocking them out before up and running would be rather humiliating for NATO.
Nothing says they don't do that. During the first few weeks of the conflict we regularly got info, pics and videos of this or that Russian strike against mercenaries who've just arrived at some base, or equipment storage for tanks that was hit, that storage of Javelin missiles and other munitions near Lvov that was hit and the British couldn't figure out how the Russians knew about it, etc..
Now of course the Ukraine has tightened ship in regards to anyone publishing material. We won't get any reports on any aftermaths. Probably a lot of informers and such have been taken out and shipping routes have become better hidden.
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And all the respectable western media.The Pentagon said so. . . .
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Hole wrote:Here we are again.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.
If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.
Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.
Or there was only 6,000 fighters, and the Ukraine propaganda department slipped in an extra zero.
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nomadski wrote:My Grand- Mother ( RIP ) visited me once , and we went on a shopping trip together , speaking out in our own language . An Indian or Pakistani Shopkeeper took the money in exchange for some goods , and was about to give back some change to us . Before he did , my Grand - Mother , turned to me and said in our own Persian language " ...He thinks , we are foreigners and don't t understand money and wants to short - change us ! " The shopkeeper to my knowledge , had shown no overt indication that he was about to cheat us , let alone indicate for what reason . Sure enough , a few seconds later , he short - changed us ! And we then asked for the right change !
This means that , she was far more observant and intelligent and experienced than me . She could predict these situations and was ready to take corrective and defensive measures at that very time , to protect her interests . But I still make mistakes , and usually expect the best of people , but I do get abuse by people . I usually tend to over-think problems and rarely over - react . I end up feeling hard done by , and carry grudges for a number of years !
Therefore my psychology and coping mechanism is faulty . I do expect the best in people , when I am old enough , and should expect the opposite . When harm comes my way , I over - think the problem and don't t react appropriately . Why is this important ? Well in any political system , ultimately the decision falls on a small group of people , regarding what to do . And if their psychology is maladaptive like mine , then they do not make the right decisions . But knowing oneself and knowing what to do and using experience about human nature and preparedness and appropriate response is a difficult task . Do you know yourself ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism
Years ago in University I took a Human Resources course in which the instructor said something that always stuck to me... "to understand others you first have to know yourself!"
Sounds like your problem is one so many have, "expecting others to see things as you do". That is actually very rare in personal interactions but society through religion and mass media attempts certainly strives to obtain it... zombies
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Big_Gazza wrote:LOL!! Murkan idiots...
Just wait until Russia's offensive is rebranded by our media as a Ukrainian advance on the Dniepr and hailed as the greatest victory since the Battle of the Bulge won the world war. I swear, the stupidity of the American people has got to be by design.
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flamming_python wrote:
All these countries will donate their own personnel as well
That's obvious
In Vietnam it was Soviet specialists manning surface-to-air missile systems; at least many of them.
And so far in the Ukraine at least the HIMARS reportedly has been operated by US advisers.
It is not that easy bro.
We talk the totally different numbers here.
Soviets had tens of thousands trained PVO soldiers&officers they could just send in. And risk their lives, of course.
This is not something we have now. The number of trained personnel is low, and I do not suppose they are so willing to go for war.
"Advisers" are most probably just mercs hired, but you hardly will find a merc for IRIS-T that was freshly delivered to the Bundeswehr ...
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I am reading on twitter that something in Kiev exploded this morning. Who knew that gas stoves were so dangerous.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29
billybatts91 Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:22 pm
What does this mean?
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billybatts91 wrote:What does this mean?
Martial law, the military does the policing.
"Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to an emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory."
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29
billybatts91 Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:34 pm
Erk wrote:billybatts91 wrote:What does this mean?
Martial law, the military does the policing.
"Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to an emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory."
I know what martial law is, I was just asking if "territorial defense" meant something else in this context.
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billybatts91 wrote:
I know what martial law is, I was just asking if "territorial defense" meant something else in this context.
It means martial law as I said.
https://tass.com/politics/1524771
https://www.rt.com/russia/564969-putin-martial-law-former-ukrainian-regions/
It's not unusual when there is a conflict.
eg. Ukraine have been under martial law since February.
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mr_hd wrote:
Ukraine will suppress supply lines there - even Russian army is having issues to be supplied in that area. So of course it is reasonable to be ready for worst case scenario and make sure civilians are not trapped before they are fully cut off - nothing special in that. No one knows what will be outcome of those fighting at the moment.
Russia is going to remove civilians from the line of contact in order to devastate the NATO hordes with artillery and aviation
Kherson will become a military fortress from which to launch a counteroffensive towards Transinstria and isolate Odessa
What NATO wants is for Russia to get destroyed cities like Maruipol and what Russia wants is to destroy the NATO army outside the cities to save them from destruction
Why do you think Dresden and other eastern cities were destroyed in 1945, when the war was ending? simply because they were not going to be able to obtain them and they left them destroyed to the Soviets
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Erk wrote:
It's not unusual when there is a conflict.
eg. Ukraine have been under martial law since February.
France is under martial law since 2015
They only change the reason&name once a while
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29
ArgentinaGuard Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:36 pm
Big_Gazza wrote:LOL!! Murkan idiots...
Does anyone live in the US or from there? Society is outrageously stupid as the video shows?
Multiracial societies are inferior in culture, without a doubt.
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billybatts91 wrote:What does this mean?
Actually the whole thing is just making the martial law and territorial defense (co-ordinates of militias, etc) that existed under LDPR or Ukrainian laws legal under Russian laws.
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ArgentinaGuard wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:LOL!! Murkan idiots...
Does anyone live in the US or from there? Society is outrageously stupid as the video shows?
Multiracial societies are inferior in culture, without a doubt.
Yes and there has been a dumbing down, as some Americans complain, of the educational system for decades. Population is much easier to manipulate and control when they are dumbed down or positively numb as the song says. The rest of the west seems to be following this now.
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franco wrote:ArgentinaGuard wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:LOL!! Murkan idiots...
Does anyone live in the US or from there? Society is outrageously stupid as the video shows?
Multiracial societies are inferior in culture, without a doubt.
Yes and there has been a dumbing down, as some Americans complain, of the educational system for decades. Population is much easier to manipulate and control when they are dumbed down or positively numb as the song says. The rest of the west seems to be following this now.
As George Carlin once stated, what the rulers don't want is an educated public capable of critical thinking, what they want are complaint consumers just smart enough to get to work every morning.
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ArgentinaGuard wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:LOL!! Murkan idiots...
Does anyone live in the US or from there? Society is outrageously stupid as the video shows?
Multiracial societies are inferior in culture, without a doubt.
You have no idea. As George Carlin once observed, "think of how stupid the average person [he meant Americans] is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that." Yes, most of our society treats stupidity as a virtue, and yes our society is ridiculously stupid.
My only disagreement with you is your notion that blacks, Asians, Latinos, and Indians make us inferior. I put the blame on infotainment, the coddling of our youth (can't make them feel uncomfortable about anything so controversial ideas must be banned), the collapse of the family, and rampant consumerism and materialism. Race has very little to do with it, other than to be used as a wedge issue around election time. A Jewish conspiracy? Oh please, it has about as much to do with worshipping at a synagogue as my love of Russia has to do with me worshipping at Our Lady of Sorrows Catholic Church. There ain't anything Jewish or any other religion about it. Its greed plain and simple. Those with the most money want to take the rest of the money, and the only way to do that is to keep the population stupid so that it accepts being overworked, underpaid, and uninsured all the while believing that its all good because they "live in the greatest country ever known."
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