Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

Scott Ritter had this guy on. It looks like a guy that did a puff piece about the F-35 a long time ago. In the big F-35 debates, sometimes F-16.net bros would sight this guys work. I remember seeing it. I think he was just naïve and ignorant about it. He was under the assumption that the F-35 was a stealthed up F-16. Does anyone else remember this

Anyway he has some good analysis on the war. Basically he says that all the military and economic structures for fighting a big European war were changed. Because nobody really thought that it would happen anymore. Not just Russia. The military was tailored for low intensity regional conflict like Syria. But now they are reverting back to the big European war model on the fly now.

By the time US and Europe revert to big war mode, all will be over and dust would have settled. Economic power for any of this simply do not exist in the West. Reactive models tend to fail when facing with opponent (Russia and China) who plans long term.

Hole wrote:Here we are again.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.

If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.

Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.

Even if they did have 60,000 troops majority of this will be conscripts from mobilization so your looking at troops with a few weeks training. What's evident is Ukraine is having to move troops around for various fronts and offensives simply because of the lack of regular troops with actual training. If they do indeed have 60,000 troops you will find only around 10%-15% at most will be experienced and they won't be removing experienced troops from Donbass fronts for this offensive. Various analysts have hinted that in bakmut the Russians may try and envelope and surround Ukrainian troops there instead of giving them a corridor to leave, I would imagine if this indeed the tactic then it will be done to capture and deny Ukraine experienced troops in it's ranks and of course if Russia doesn't want to capture the troops they could easily leave a corridor for Ukrainian troops to leave then bomb the crap out of them while they leave killing massive amount of troops either way bakmut will be taken.

As for the meat grinder tactic be employed by Russia this not only grinds down the Ukrainian military but also serves to grind down western equipment stocks, and western financial aid to Ukraine at a time while energy prices are through the roof. And I would imagine with various energy facilities being hit that this financial aid will have increased massively. How long the west can keep this up is anyone's guess. But Russia seems to be able to weather the storm as sanctions have largely failed, OPEC on its side, and middle eastern allies who USA thought would bend the toward the west ended up sticking two fingers up at them and large economic countries such as china and India have sided with Russia as well as a few other countries. And with Russia now using cheap drones to wreak havoc across Ukraine. Ukraine and the west are going to get desperate and false flags and dirty tactics will definitely becoming. Zekensky is deluded and still thinks he can win, while the west already know they have lost but just like Syria are sore losers and want to drag it out purely out of spite and recklessness.

This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

flamming_python wrote:

Backman wrote:From the tone of Alex Christophoru's latest video , he thinks that a tactical pullback is going to happen. I sure hope he's wrong. They just can't allow jt

Alex Christophoru is of absolutely 0 authority in military matters. Not that any of us are better. But just putting that out there. He's not involved in the operation nor has access to any information that isn't public.

IMO if there is a retreat, it will only be performed with the express intent of leading more Ukrainian-NATO forces into firing zones.

Kherson itself won't be given up, it's too strategic and will open the way for the Ukraine to shell the Crimea too - something Putin will not allow.

I suspect the Russians are saying this openly to tempt the Ukrainians into throwing everything at it, so they can catch them in the open and rain hellfire and steel on them, dealing them a crippling blow. If the Russians do not have massive amounts of air power on high alert, with trainloads of bombs ready to go, then quite frankly they are idiots and deserve to lose this war.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Hole wrote:Here we are again.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.

If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.

Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.

Even if they did have 60,000 troops majority of this will be conscripts from mobilization so your looking at troops with a few weeks training.  What's evident is Ukraine is having to move troops around for various fronts and offensives simply because of the lack of regular troops with actual training. If they do indeed have 60,000 troops you will find only around 10%-15% at most will be experienced and they won't be removing experienced troops from Donbass fronts for this offensive. Various analysts have hinted that in bakmut the Russians may try and envelope and surround Ukrainian troops there instead of giving them a corridor to leave, I would imagine if this indeed the tactic then it will be done to capture and deny Ukraine experienced troops in it's ranks and of course if Russia doesn't want to capture the troops they could easily leave a corridor for Ukrainian troops to leave then bomb the crap out of them while they leave killing massive amount of troops either way bakmut will be taken.

As for the meat grinder tactic be employed by Russia this not only grinds down the Ukrainian military but also serves to grind down western equipment stocks, and western financial aid to Ukraine at a time while energy prices are through the roof. And I would imagine with various energy facilities being hit that this financial aid will have increased massively. How long the west can keep this up is anyone's guess. But Russia seems to be able to weather the storm as sanctions have largely failed, OPEC on its side, and middle eastern allies who USA thought would bend the toward the west ended up sticking two fingers up at them and large economic countries such as china and India have sided with Russia as well as a few other countries. And with Russia now using cheap drones to wreak havoc across Ukraine. Ukraine and the west are going to get desperate and false flags and dirty tactics will definitely becoming. Zekensky is deluded and still thinks he can win, while the west already know they have lost but just like Syria are sore losers and want to drag it out purely out of spite and recklessness.

Alex Mercouris reports that in Bakhmut the Ukrainian forces have intentionally been staying put. And in fact concentrating towards the centre of the city, as if to try and deny Russia the city for as long as possible.

But also dooming the defenders as it were. Russian forces don't even have to surround them - they ain't leaving. Mercouris opines that this is perhaps because Zelensky has reasserted authority over Zaluzhny. Thus there won't be any more withdrawals like in Lisichyansk, but glorious last stands aplenty enough to make many Hollywood blockbusters over.
Zelensky is not only deluded, but he's a butcher of his own people. This little clown installed by Washington.

flamming_python wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

Hole wrote:Here we are again.
News: 60.000 UkroNaziFighters are ready to attack Kherson!
An hour later: 2 batallions attacked + some recon groups.
A few minutes later: attack repelled with huge losses for the Ukros.

If you got 60.000 fighters ready and your aim is to find a weak spot in the frontline to break through,
you attack the whole frontline with 20.000 - 30.000 men, find the weak spot and then send a few thousand
guys to that area.

Either the (NATO) command there is not capable of commanding more then a handful of batallions at the same
time or the "60.000" fighters are so dissmal that they would screw up such a large attack.

Even if they did have 60,000 troops majority of this will be conscripts from mobilization so your looking at troops with a few weeks training.  What's evident is Ukraine is having to move troops around for various fronts and offensives simply because of the lack of regular troops with actual training. If they do indeed have 60,000 troops you will find only around 10%-15% at most will be experienced and they won't be removing experienced troops from Donbass fronts for this offensive. Various analysts have hinted that in bakmut the Russians may try and envelope and surround Ukrainian troops there instead of giving them a corridor to leave, I would imagine if this indeed the tactic then it will be done to capture and deny Ukraine experienced troops in it's ranks and of course if Russia doesn't want to capture the troops they could easily leave a corridor for Ukrainian troops to leave then bomb the crap out of them while they leave killing massive amount of troops either way bakmut will be taken.

As for the meat grinder tactic be employed by Russia this not only grinds down the Ukrainian military but also serves to grind down western equipment stocks, and western financial aid to Ukraine at a time while energy prices are through the roof. And I would imagine with various energy facilities being hit that this financial aid will have increased massively. How long the west can keep this up is anyone's guess. But Russia seems to be able to weather the storm as sanctions have largely failed, OPEC on its side, and middle eastern allies who USA thought would bend the toward the west ended up sticking two fingers up at them and large economic countries such as china and India have sided with Russia as well as a few other countries. And with Russia now using cheap drones to wreak havoc across Ukraine. Ukraine and the west are going to get desperate and false flags and dirty tactics will definitely becoming. Zekensky is deluded and still thinks he can win, while the west already know they have lost but just like Syria are sore losers and want to drag it out purely out of spite and recklessness.

Alex Mercouris reports that in Bakhmut the Ukrainian forces have intentionally been staying put. And in fact concentrating towards the centre of the city, as if to try and deny Russia the city for as long as possible.

But also dooming the defenders as it were. Russian forces don't even have to surround them - they ain't leaving. Mercouris opines that this is perhaps because Zelensky has reasserted authority over Zaluzhny. Thus there won't be any more withdrawals like in Lisichyansk, but glorious last stands aplenty enough to make many Hollywood blockbusters over.
Zelensky is not only deluded, but he's a butcher of his own people. This little clown installed by Washington.

He even said that Russian forces themselves are assisting Wagner guys too.

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

Naturally they're not about to give up. Whoever considered that.
And some folks here have been arguing that Russia hold every meter, or conduct grand advances - even when its plainly obvious that Russia has to prepare for the worst case, and that's NATO entering the conflict. Russia has to do its best to conserve its manpower while buying time to expand the army, gaining territory is not a priority. Having said that I do still hope for a blow to knock out Kiev. It's do-able at this stage, and will solve some existing problems before the new problems arrive in force.

I suspect the next move will be to introduce the Polish army on the quiet and maybe a couple of other small NATO ones.

flamming_python wrote:

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

Naturally they're not about to give up. Whoever considered that.
And some folks here have been arguing that Russia hold every meter, or conduct grand advances - even when its plainly obvious that Russia has to prepare for the worst case, and that's NATO entering the conflict. Russia has to do its best to conserve its manpower while buying time to expand the army, gaining territory is not a priority. Having said that I do still hope for a blow to knock out Kiev. It's do-able at this stage, and will solve some existing problems before the new problems arrive in force.

I suspect the next move will be to introduce the Polish army on the quiet and maybe a couple of other small NATO ones.

"gaining territory is not a priority" since when? That's pretty much what this war is all about actually. It's taking back Novorossiya, anything else and this SMO will be considered a failure by many. Nice excuse from some of you guys that, "NATO might enter conflict, so we have to conserve the troops". That's backtracking and ridiculous talk. NATO is sending weapons but I don't think a NATO member will actually get involved on the ground. That's just BS at this point so people will settle for less in Ukraine it seems.

The Wagner line. Once again , Rybar providing intel to the enemy. I am half joking. I sure hope they have some rules of the road for this brosint operations. We don't want to be giving the enemy anything. This map is a step too far imo.

An alternative view:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63311744

https://english.pravda.ru/world/154486-tokyo_governor_ukraine/

https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/ukraine-food-export-deal-in-jeopardy-as-moscow-demands-west-live-up-to-commitments/

https://www.cato.org/commentary/who-attacked-nord-stream-2#

billybatts91 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

Naturally they're not about to give up. Whoever considered that.
And some folks here have been arguing that Russia hold every meter, or conduct grand advances - even when its plainly obvious that Russia has to prepare for the worst case, and that's NATO entering the conflict. Russia has to do its best to conserve its manpower while buying time to expand the army, gaining territory is not a priority. Having said that I do still hope for a blow to knock out Kiev. It's do-able at this stage, and will solve some existing problems before the new problems arrive in force.

I suspect the next move will be to introduce the Polish army on the quiet and maybe a couple of other small NATO ones.

"gaining territory is not a priority" since when? That's pretty much what this war is all about actually. It's taking back Novorossiya, anything else and this SMO will be considered a failure by many. Nice excuse from some of you guys that, "NATO might enter conflict, so we have to conserve the troops". That's backtracking and ridiculous talk. NATO is sending weapons but I don't think a NATO member will actually get involved on the ground. That's just BS at this point so people will settle for less in Ukraine it seems.

Since the war began you doomer

Priority is to meet enemy forces in the field and destroy them. Not climb into every nook and cranny in pursuit of them.

They advanced only where it was necessary. In the Donbass, in Mariupol - so as to liberate territory. They tried to get some more territory opportunistically, but it didn't work out. No big deal, it's only a secondary objective at this stage. You'll note they haven't been storming any cities outside the Donbass.

That doesn't mean they will not take back Novorossiya, or take it - we don't know Russia's territorial goals nor is there any time limit that we know of. Or whether Russia intends to preserve the Ukrainian state in some manner. Likely, it will adapt its strategy according to what the leadership thinks will be most workable.

And no that's not backtracking and what you 'think' bears no applicability. Any commander must always be prepared for the worst-case and not be caught flat-footed. This risk has been there right from the start of the war.

flamming_python wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

Naturally they're not about to give up. Whoever considered that.
And some folks here have been arguing that Russia hold every meter, or conduct grand advances - even when its plainly obvious that Russia has to prepare for the worst case, and that's NATO entering the conflict. Russia has to do its best to conserve its manpower while buying time to expand the army, gaining territory is not a priority. Having said that I do still hope for a blow to knock out Kiev. It's do-able at this stage, and will solve some existing problems before the new problems arrive in force.

I suspect the next move will be to introduce the Polish army on the quiet and maybe a couple of other small NATO ones.

"gaining territory is not a priority" since when? That's pretty much what this war is all about actually. It's taking back Novorossiya, anything else and this SMO will be considered a failure by many. Nice excuse from some of you guys that, "NATO might enter conflict, so we have to conserve the troops". That's backtracking and ridiculous talk. NATO is sending weapons but I don't think a NATO member will actually get involved on the ground. That's just BS at this point so people will settle for less in Ukraine it seems.

Since the war began you doomer

Priority is to meet enemy forces in the field and destroy them. Not climb into every nook and cranny in pursuit of them.

They advanced only where it was necessary. In the Donbass, in Mariupol - so as to liberate territory. They tried to get some more territory opportunistically, but it didn't work out. No big deal, it's only a secondary objective at this stage. You'll note they haven't been storming any cities outside the Donbass.

That doesn't mean they will not take back Novorossiya, or take it - we don't know Russia's territorial goals nor is there any time limit that we know of. Or whether Russia intends to preserve the Ukrainian state in some manner. Likely, it will adapt its strategy according to what the leadership thinks will be most workable.

And no that's not backtracking and what you 'think' bears no applicability. Any commander must always be prepared for the worst-case and not be caught flat-footed. This risk has been there right from the start of the war.

So what's the objective in Ukraine now? To keep losing territory and never make any large offensives to take those lost territories back? That's the plan? Defend an ever-shrinking Russian controlled mini-Novorossiya? WTF? Listen to yourself and how absurd you optimists are...this is unacceptable talk. If this is the strategy this will lead to disaster and Ukrainian victory for sure. If Russia is not offensive minded and not hell bent on destroying Ukraine military until they capitulate this will end in failure for sure. It's a loser mindset from Russia and from people supporting this idiotic strategy.

flamming_python wrote:

Since the war began you doomer

Priority is to meet enemy forces in the field and destroy them. Not climb into every nook and cranny in pursuit of them.

They advanced only where it was necessary. In the Donbass, in Mariupol - so as to liberate territory. They tried to get some more territory opportunistically, but it didn't work out. No big deal, it's only a secondary objective at this stage. You'll note they haven't been storming any cities outside the Donbass.

That doesn't mean they will not take back Novorossiya, or take it - we don't know Russia's territorial goals nor is there any time limit that we know of. Or whether Russia intends to preserve the Ukrainian state in some manner. Likely, it will adapt its strategy according to what the leadership thinks will be most workable.

And no that's not backtracking and what you 'think' bears no applicability. Any commander must always be prepared for the worst-case and not be caught flat-footed. This risk has been there right from the start of the war.

Where's the math on this "grind the enemy down" theory? I'm starting to believe it less and less, because there's just too many mobilization-capable men left in Ukraine.

If Russia controlled more territory, they would have control over supply routes (including potentially limiting Western support), repair and communication facilities, more parts of the energy grid, etc - which would massively hamper the war effort.

Given that I haven't heard anyone present any actual numbers for this "grind em down" theory it's starting to look more and more like cope for the Russian side while they build manpower.

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

*mission control tier clapping heard in the background*

We can only hope. God be with the Russians.

TMA1 wrote:

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

*mission control tier clapping heard in the background*

We can only hope. God be with the Russians.

Oh hey, it's the shill that came up with the "Kiev in will fall in 72 hours" crap.

PapaDragon wrote:

EAT SHIT AND DIE!!!

Found another rat

These peacenik commie liberal sellout traitors need to be euthanized ASAP

The forum is full of pro ukro traitors

They are all supportive of keeping Ukro infrastructure intact for the brotherly people

Sending Russians to their deaths, and losing land

If you tell them to hit Ukrainians , they will defend the Ukropians

They are purposefully restraining the Russian military and enabling Ukropia

There are people on the forum literally saying to give up kherson

Russian General Prepares Kherson Surrender: 'Hard Decisions Must Be Made'

It's not surovikhins fault,  he's only following orders

"Further actions and plans regarding the city of Kherson will depend on the developing military-tactical situation, which is not easy. We will act consciously, in a timely manner, without ruling out difficult decisions," Surovikin said.

They're pulling out of Kherson

dionis wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Since the war began you doomer

Priority is to meet enemy forces in the field and destroy them. Not climb into every nook and cranny in pursuit of them.

They advanced only where it was necessary. In the Donbass, in Mariupol - so as to liberate territory. They tried to get some more territory opportunistically, but it didn't work out. No big deal, it's only a secondary objective at this stage. You'll note they haven't been storming any cities outside the Donbass.

That doesn't mean they will not take back Novorossiya, or take it - we don't know Russia's territorial goals nor is there any time limit that we know of. Or whether Russia intends to preserve the Ukrainian state in some manner. Likely, it will adapt its strategy according to what the leadership thinks will be most workable.

And no that's not backtracking and what you 'think' bears no applicability. Any commander must always be prepared for the worst-case and not be caught flat-footed. This risk has been there right from the start of the war.

Where's the math on this "grind the enemy down" theory? I'm starting to believe it less and less, because there's just too many mobilization-capable men left in Ukraine.

If Russia controlled more territory, they would have control over supply routes (including potentially limiting Western support), repair and communication facilities, more parts of the energy grid, etc - which would massively hamper the war effort.

Given that I haven't heard anyone present any actual numbers for this "grind em down" theory it's starting to look more and more like cope for the Russian side while they build manpower.

It's like you guys are oblivious to the geopolitical realities that the west also sees this as a war for survival of their global hegemony. Objectives have not changed but the key to success has most certainly changed. In fact I think Russia will have to further mobilize. I understand the desire to quick victory but mobilization takes time. Correcting course takes time. Rest assured I think Russia is perfectly aware of what they face and must do. The way you zoomers talk it seems as if you guys are in perpetual panic. As I have said before. You guys remind me of a private that is told to hold fire until the very last moment but panics and starts firing erratically, ruining the ambush and putting everyone else at risk.

dionis wrote:

TMA1 wrote:

Backman wrote:

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1582804793319247872?t=07B1g17oKt-IuNdH3Lt5KA&s=19

*mission control tier clapping heard in the background*

We can only hope. God be with the Russians.

Oh hey, it's the shill that came up with the "Kiev in will fall in 72 hours" crap.

I must correct you. I said that I was in agreement that Ukraine would fall within weeks. I like many thought that Ukraine would fold and some kind of agreements would be made. The western leadership said absolutely not, as they totally control Ukraine and what they say goes. I was wrong.

Also the only shills are NAFO typed like you from the west, which pays an order of magnitude more in propaganda and info war. The fog of war has never been so thick as in this conflict. Never seen such a united effort in disinformation operations ever. The western powers truly see this conflict as a threat to it's "rules based" world order.

TMA1 wrote:

It's like you guys are oblivious to the geopolitical realities that the west also sees this as a war for survival of their global hegemony. Objectives have not changed but the key to success has most certainly changed. In fact I think Russia will have to further mobilize. I understand the desire to quick victory but mobilization takes time. Correcting course takes time. Rest assured I think Russia is perfectly aware of what they face and must do. The way you zoomers talk it seems as if you guys are in perpetual panic. As I have said before. You guys remind me of a private that is told to hold fire until the very last moment but panics and starts firing erratically, ruining the ambush and putting everyone else at risk.

"Doomers" did not lose Kharkov and on verge of losing kherson

"Doomers" did not allow Ukraine to group

"Doomers" did not spend ordinance on worthless strikes on random places in Kiev, without a plan to attack Kiev itself , while allowing Ukros free reign on the front line

The leadership which is binding Surovikhins hands, are the ones at fault, not doomers

TMA1 wrote:

It's like you guys are oblivious to the geopolitical realities that the west also sees this as a war for survival of their global hegemony. Objectives have not changed but the key to success has most certainly changed. In fact I think Russia will have to further mobilize. I understand the desire to quick victory but mobilization takes time. Correcting course takes time. Rest assured I think Russia is perfectly aware of what they face and must do. The way you zoomers talk it seems as if you guys are in perpetual panic. As I have said before. You guys remind me of a private that is told to hold fire until the very last moment but panics and starts firing erratically, ruining the ambush and putting everyone else at risk.

Ahh yes, zeee gloooooball hegemonnnyyy!! I mean you can call people whatever, while failing to see yourself as being a borderline tinfoil hat type.

Reality is that Russia would have been far better off if they reliably controlled more territory, because they would deny Ukraine a lot of important things as result.

Meanwhile the new cope is "grinding them down" while the real issue to achieve more control is taken care of, which is the current lack of manpower.