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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:14 pm

    First he claimed nearly all missiles shot down and in the next sentences "We need more AD!!!"  Rolling Eyes

    Twitter news:

    The Dnipropetrovsk region is completely de-energized, there is enough power to supply the critical infrastructure with a minimum, authorities said Kharkov region also remains completely without electricity.

    Deputy of the Latvian Seimas Alexander Kirshteins called on the government to make a decision on the forced deportation of 250,000 Russians from the Latvian border According to him, there are "necessary legal grounds" for this. Lessons of WW2 are clearly forgotten.

    Sandu: Children who sing about victory over fascism should be under the control of special services!

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    Lost Ukro stuff around Novoselsko

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    Some dude on Twitter claimed it´s an portable EW system.
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    Red arrow: Wagner guys at a coffee break
    Blue arrow: dead Ukros

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    Post  Ispan Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:24 pm

    I have compiled all the reports that I could find. Sadly, it's true, Ukraine has lost 100.000 soldiers killed. One hundred thousand. Most of them deserved it, but I feel bad for the conscripts and the militia of the Russian regions that were impressed to fight against their own



    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/perdidas-de-ucrania-2022/

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:52 pm

    Lost Ukro stuff around Novoselsko

    Oh oh oh but but but Russkie lost all four BMPs somewhere, somehow, left when broken !!
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    Red arrow: Wagner guys at a coffee break
    Blue arrow: dead Ukros


    At least they have collected those poor bastards for further processing, so families will know ... cry
    Not like those from the tranches that republican cleaning teams are digging out in parts from all over LDNR Embarassed

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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:50 am

    To Hole:

    What coffee break? Who would eat next to dead bodies while being drone bombed? Ukrs posted the video and they are dropping grenades from drones on them, you can see one crawling.

    Bodies are most likely from destroyed Ukrainian MTLB.
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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:53 am

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    Zaporoshye region:
    All names associated with the Russian Empire and the USSR will be returned. Also, all the demolished monuments to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, the heroes of the Civil War, various statesmen and cultural representatives of the times of the Russian Empire and the USSR will be restored.
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    Post  ludovicense Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:58 am

    German tanks would get stuck in winter
    But the Leopard 2's 62,000 kilos would not only be a massive problem on the road and during rail transport, says the tank expert: "The Leopard 2 could only operate perfectly off-road in the absolute height of summer when the ground is completely dry. Now, in the rain, the narrow tracks would sink in immediately, the vehicles would get stuck."


    That and the fear of embarrassment... the Germans are going to order them to be forced by the USA. Let's not forget that these tanks performed horribly in Syria against guerrillas.
    If guerrillas did enormous damage, imagine a prepared army with infinitely greater resources.


    For those who don't remember, there's an article here at this link (use the automatic translator)

    forte.jor.br/2017/01/24/tanques-leopard-2-mostraram-se-vulneraveis-em-combate-na-siria/


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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:35 am

    Well, Ukraine may got 2A4.. that one is 55 Metric tonne. The one with 62 metric tonne weight is the upgraded versions like 2A5 upward.

    Roadless terrain wise tho there will be of no difference to T-72 family. MMP (Mean Maximum Pressure) Wise, Leopard-2 have bit lower MMP's so road that T-72 can pass, Leopard can do so.


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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:46 am

    Impressive leo 1 has same weight as t-72 but has a very weak armor.

    Leo 2 can go in ukraine they will end up destroyed like any other ukro tank. Ka-52 will hunt them. If they make it to the front they will live max 1 day. Once spot either artillery either atgm will take care of them. They bring nothing more than the slovenian t55. They have good optics and precision but they can't survive.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:00 am

    It would be fun to see the Leo ***** crowd lose their shit when they get blown up just as easily as anything else.

    Then again, that happened in northern Syria too and people just chose to ignore it.

    edit: Hah, nice one admin/mod, s t r o n k is auto-censored. Smile

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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:22 am

    Leopard-2 tanks operate in Poland during winter just ok.

    Soon Poland will have M1 and they have K2 tanks too. Most of their infrastructure is Soviet. I think all the excuses not to send weapons are Ukrainians not being able to service or operate them efficiently.

    And what about fanboys? Leo tanks were clapped big time in Syria by a way lesser enemy already, they blamed t*rks and probably they were right. Any tank would get blown if used idiotically. Ukrainians have many idiots too

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:53 am

    THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE "BAD USE" OF THE LEOPARD 2 TANKS by the Turks, that is idiocy and that idiocy again succumbs to Western propaganda that shifts the blame for the destruction of the Leo 2 tanks to the Turks.
    Leopard 2 was destroyed by an adversary that had NO tank units, NO modern artillery, NO helicopters, NO aviation, and NO global surveillance. The Russians have it all and the Leopard 2 would do just as well as any other tank in Ukroshitstan - destroyed, badly damaged, turret blown off, tracks destroyed, etc..
    A tank is a tank, not a fucking space shuttle.
    Some here OFTEN like to say that Russia or China has no experience (for China) and bad (for Russia and China) or unproven (for China) equipment. What kind of "experience" and what kind of "quality" is the use of a new western plane and a new tank against Serbia, Libya or Afghanistan?

    Let's imagine that China is in the place of Russia, I am convinced that the Chinese Air Force would literally blow up the entire aviation that the NATO pact has in Europe - literally. The Chinese have more fucking J-10s than Europe has EF-2000s and Rafales. So what to write about J-11/15/16/20 or as well as for the JH-7, which hardly anyone mentions, but I think it's a great plane.
    What more to write about ? About the "superior" European buckets that were produced in small numbers and whose projects were developed back in the time of the Roman Empire ... This last one is a joke but these planes were designed when China was a mere shithole - the West had no idea what China would grow into. Some retards on this forum will never understand that.
    ...
    In the West, everything has become too expensive and it's just rubbish that wears out quickly, as soon as the warranty expires; phones, TVs, cars...The only thing that is still successfully "produced" in the West are lies, everything else is less and less effective, impressive, etc.

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:10 am

    Smart and idiot people can't see atgm coming at them.

    A tank to be effective need to go on the front and with an average firing range of 3-5km in lucky places and probably less in most occasions, will always fall within firing range of any atgm on the battlefield.

    Then it will be a matter of time before it exposes its side and get blown up by a kornet if it was lready destroyed by lancets or krasnopol.


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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:27 am

    Lost armour has updated DNR military and civilian losses.
    LNR losses were running, before they stopped updating at 60-65% of DNR's.

    The 2nd week of December has come to an end - 43 active databases - updated data on the losses of the military structures of the DPR.  The source is her ombudsman
    Over the past week, 74 irretrievable losses and 226 sanitary ones have been added.  Total losses for the week - 300.
    The ratio of killed / wounded is at a level above the average level for the entire time of active databases (24 to 100).
    In total, since the beginning of the active phase of hostilities - 4157 dead and 17396 wounded.
    The total losses for this period are 21,553 people.
    According to MilitaryBalance 2022, the number of DPR military structures at the beginning of 2022 was approximately 20,000 troops.  Today, the total losses of these structures are approximately 108% of the pre-war number.

    For the entire time since the beginning of active databases, the average daily losses are: irretrievable - 13.8 daily;  sanitary - 57.8 daily;
    general - 71.6 people daily.

    Updated civilian casualties as well.  The source is the same.  During the week, 13 dead and 47 wounded were added, with a total of 60 injured during the week. Total: since the beginning of active databases, 1094 civilians have died, 3482 have been injured.  The total number of victims is 4576 people.

    Drowbreaker https://lostarmour.info/svo
    First table is for military losses and second for civilian ones.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:17 am

    Some here OFTEN like to say that Russia or China has no experience (for China) and bad (for Russia and China) or unproven (for China) equipment. What kind of "experience" and what kind of "quality" is the use of a new western plane and a new tank against Serbia, Libya or Afghanistan?
    The excuse for the bad showing of the turkish operated Leo 2 in Syria was that they were the old A4 version, but they were mostly blown apart by ATGM´s from the 70´s.
    Saw a comment today in Twitter about the F-35 crash that fits into this narrative:
    If it happens to chinese planes it´s because of shitty tech.
    If it happens to russian planes it´s because of drunk pilots and shitty tech.
    If it happens to american planes it´s just some teething problems.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:28 am

    Massive Strike on #Ukraine's Infrastructure on 16 Dec 2022 - what is known by 12:00:zap:

    The RF Armed Forces have launched another massive missile strike on targets across #Ukraine.

    ▪ In Kiev, CHPP-5, CHPP-6 and Darnitskaya CHPP were hit again. The underground was stopped, electricity was partially lost and water supply stopped.

    ▪ #Zaporozhye region was hit by at least 12 strikes, local authorities said. In occupied #Zaporozhye, electricity and water were partially lost.

    The engine room of the #Dnipro HPP was hit.

    ▪ In #Kharkov, ground transport and the metro have come to a complete halt. There are disruptions in mobile communications. Partially there is no light and water. 7 strikes have hit the regional centre and 3 in the region.

    #Zalyutino 330kV substation and #Kharkov 330kV PS were most likely hit. The previous day, the RF struck at CHPP-5. However, CHPP-3, which supplies power to all industrial facilities, remained unharmed.

    Judging by the reports of the strike in the #Chuguev district, the fire attack might have been on CHPP-2 Eskhar.

    ▪ Light went out in #Poltava and the Poltava region. The #Kremenchuk 330kV PS is likely been hit again. The #Mirgorod 330kV PS is also suspected of being hit.

    ▪ In #Dnipropetrovsk region, there were explosions in #Kamenskoye and the regional centre. #Prydniprovska TPP is likely been hit again - traffic on Yuzhny Bridge opposite the TPP is blocked. The Prometey 330kV PS in #Kamenskoye is suspected been hit.

    Explosions also occurred in #Pavlograd (likely the 330kV Pavlograd PS). Boiler houses and water supply are suspended in the city.

    In #KrivoyRog, locals reported an explosion. Water and light were lost in the city. We already wrote that the Krivoy Rog TPP was shut down 1 1/2 month ago. Therefore, it is likely that either the Kirovskaya 330kV or Yuzhnaya 330kV PS was hit. In terms of logic, the Kirovskaya 330kV PS is most likely been hit - it supplies the water supply system.

    ▪ There was a blackout in the #Cherkasy region. This could have been caused by both, the Polanyi 330kV PS being hit and the entire 330kV line along the Dnipro River being de-energised.

    ▪ In #Kirovograd region, the Ukrainka 330kV PS was most likely hit. Pumping stations are shut down and power is lost. Several railroad sections are de-energized.

    But the fact that the entire oblast is switched off could indicate that the 330kV switchgear of the Southern Ukraine NPP is down.

    ▪ There are strikes in #Nikolaev and the region. Locals report power outages.

    ▪ There are explosions in the #Ternopil region. There is only one 330kV Ternopil PS in the entire region.

    ▪ In #Vinnitsa, shocks were also recorded. The Vinnitsa 330kV PS may have been hit.

    ▪ An infrastructure facility in the #Odessa region has been hit. Power is partially lost in the regional centre.

    ▪ In #Zhytomyr region, the Lesnaya 330kV PS in Korosten is affected. The PS bypassed the #Chernobyl NPP switchyard and supplied power to #Kiev from the #Rivne and Khmelnytskyi NPPs.

    ▪ In the #Volyn, #Lvov, #Rivne, #Sumy and #Kherson regions, emergency blackouts occurred.

    This is a direct consequence of the strikes in other regions. The same #Sumy is dependent on #Kremenchuk and #Kiev. And due to strikes on the Lesnaya 330kV PS, the Rivne NPP reactors could have shut down.

    🩸Although the missile strike cannot be called the most massive in recent months, the number of missiles fired and the geography of targets is still impressive.

    This confirms the systematic nature of the firing.

    A new story has emerged in the Ukrainian infofield. People in chat rooms convince each other that the power was cut off before the strikes in order to mislead the enemy. Some even write that PPs are stopped on purpose for the duration of the raid.

    There is no practical sense to be gained from such measures. But the Ukrainians believe such fables and convinces one another that the strikes by the RF are ineffective.


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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:41 am

    Kharkov: The Ukrainian "liberators" have started sending yearly energy bills to every household, they are requested to pay for the 3 months they didn't have energy and for the 3 months the energy was supplied by Russia.

    Some would call that criminal. But in 404 it´s SOP.

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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:10 am

    Who produced the pressure table? The claim about the T-72 "MMP" does not smell right.

    The tread area of the T-72 would have to be 239/223 * 55.15/41 = 1.44 times smaller than that of the Leopard 2.

    http://www.tankarchives.ca/2017/05/leopard-tracks.html
    http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product149.html
    https://weaponsystems.net/system/1410-T-72B3

    The Leopard 2 track contact area is 0.635 m x 4.950 m x 2 = 6.2865 m^2. The T-72 track contact area is
    0.58 m x 4.27 m x 2 = 4.9532 m^2. The ratio is 1.27.

    So the Leopard 2 is supposed to be a softer ride for the reduced MMP?

    Anyway such comparisons are for fanbois. If the Russian army needed mud travel functionality it could have pushed the tread
    width higher and increased the ground track contact length. Such details are not mistakes or oversights. No tank is going to
    operate in rasputitsa where the low drainage soil depth is several feet at least.



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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:45 am

    Isos, in the end, it’s how turks utilised their equipment. And they did it in idiotic way. And this was before IFVs and APCs were destroyed in the same way.

    All equipment is as good as their user. Same applies to Saudis in Yemen. Or green Ukrainian troops now.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:21 am

    Well Diabetus, looks like Russian air mail makes deliveries in Ukraine at night too:

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1603878473323397121?t=ZAh2jV0CEZypm3OMXi6uXQ&s=19

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:59 am

    Use of HIMARS and GMLRS in Bakhmut. Looks like about 15 Russian KIA. Hopefully the city can be captured soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlCAh7f0fw

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