Russian special military operation in Ukraine #34
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Limb wrote:Wasnt marinka completely liberated? Why are all maps including official ones not marking it as such
What "official" maps might those be? AFAIK the Russians don't release maps, so any maps out there need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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In turn, the Ukrainian militants shelled residential buildings in Novaya Kakhovka with barrel artillery.
https://t.me/sitreports/2316
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RUSSIA: 18,000 KIA / 55,000 WOUNDED
UKRAINE 103,000 KIA / 400,000 WOUNDED
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- #DPR forces controls 15190 Km^2 (57,28% of Donetsk oblast)
- #LPR forces controls 26217 Km^2 (98,25% of Luhansk oblast)
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The close quarter fighting by infantry in Bakhmut , from available reports and video , show that civilian buildings and presumably any civilians left in them would all be destroyed . But also from what I remember , someone said that these areas were largely devoid of inhabitants . If so , then why still use infantry ? The buildings are destroyed anyway , plus additional friendly troops are lost , liberating the area . Why not then just FOAB the entire area and bypass and encircle it ? Why not do this to all other areas to be liberated ? Destroy and bypass and encircle ? The buildings and civilians will be destroyed either way , in fighting , but friendly troops will be saved . Bypassing and encircling alone , without bombing , may allow civilians to escape and the Orcs to surrender ?
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If you live in the West, next time some cocksucker says "Putin evil, 'elensky saintly" point them to this article.
Channel 4 is one of the major "British Establishment" media companies. Even these vermin admitted the Pukraine had been taken over by Nazis.
Its actually hard to find these sorts of articles on Google because Google has a "kill switch" delisting articles that don't suit the US agenda.
But one slipped thro here.
Of course this is the tip of the iceberg. Police, security forces, military, education were taken over back then by Svoboda and similar scum.
And the situation is far worse 8 yrs later. Its much like how Hitler took over when Nazi Party numbers were far smaller than 2014 Pukraine Nazi numbers.
But anyway here it is in black and white. The Ukraine IS in large part Nazi, and its as good a reason as any to kill the scum off.
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I read that Condoleeza Rice that NeoCon American piece of shit (complete with black female chip on the shoulder) absolutely hated him.
Because he knew how to drive her to rage without even trying. So he deserves an extra award for that.
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The close quarter fighting by infantry in Bakhmut , from available reports and video , show that civilian buildings and presumably any civilians left in them would all be destroyed . But also from what I remember , someone said that these areas were largely devoid of inhabitants . If so , then why still use infantry ? The buildings are destroyed anyway , plus additional friendly troops are lost , liberating the area . Why not then just FOAB the entire area and bypass and encircle it ? Why not do this to all other areas to be liberated ? Destroy and bypass and encircle ? The buildings and civilians will be destroyed either way , in fighting , but friendly troops will be saved . Bypassing and encircling alone , without bombing , may allow civilians to escape and the Orcs to surrender ?
Well devoid of inhabitants is a relative term
Even if 80% of people left, that would still leave about 6000-7000 civilians there.
From reports, there do seem to be civilians still there. Those waiting for the Russian army according to Western reporters from there, and periodically being executed by the same Ukrainian nationalists. More than likely staying in the cellars. Most of the housing in Bakhmut seems to consist of privately built houses; they will have basements and such
Bypassing and encircling I would agree with, but it's really not simple in the case of Bakhmut. It's the linchpin in a whole ring of overlapping defenses. Really to encircle and bypass everything else, it's Bakhmut you should break through. That's why the Ukrainians are defending it to this ridiculous degree. If they lose it, the rest of their defenses become untenable and they will have to retreat further north to Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.
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It's funny how they flip, anyhow. "Bakhmut is strategically useless, no idea why the Russians bother with it" was the standard line by Ukrainians and western "analysts" for ages.
Now it is suddenly a fortress where destiny is decided, according to them, and worth the thousands of lives thrown into it so far.
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I'm pretty sure this historylegends guy that you and some others embed here is a NATO plant
For one thing this video is not available in my country, I had to connect via VPN for it. Despite the fact that the rest of The Dive's videos are available.
Secondly, he repeats a lot of NATO tropes. Russian lines collapsing, poor logistics, the Ukrainians successfully defending Kiev or at least increasing the costs for Russia past acceptability.
He also questions even the admitted to figure of 100k Ukrainian KIA and opines that it could instead be around 80k. Despite just a few minutes earlier referncing information about the Ukrainians losing 700 casualties in Bakhmut per day. Well if we assume 300 KIA from that 700; and this hazardous situation at Bakhmut has already been going on for a month (actually, longer) - then that's already 9000 Ukrainian KIA from Bakhmut over the past month alone. Yet he's talking about 80k Ukrainian KIA in total across all fronts and over the duration of the entire war.
There is actually no evidence of Russian forces ever suffering poor logistics. Being out of ammo, out of medical supplies, food, spare parts or whatever. Not one case I can think of.
And about collapsing Russian lines, you might make that accusation in the Kharkov region, conditionally. But this fellow specifically referenced it in regards to the VDV standing their ground while others collapsed. The VDV however was never in Kharkov. They were in Kherson - where you can't accuse anyone of collapsing at all. They were simply withdrawn.
As for Kiev; there were some fierce battles there but not from the side of the Ukrainian infantry in forests as he referred to. Mostly in suburb towns such as Irpen. And while he's probably right that Russia wasn't expecting the amount of resistance that it got; I doubt Russia ever had a mind to assault and capture the city either. More than likely Russia was banking on destabilizing the Ukrainian regime. Russia's entrance into Bucha, was in pursuit of that as well - Bucha is where a lot of retired and past Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs live. Tsarev, a higher-up of Yanukovich's government, accompanied Russian forces into Bucha and was negotiating with some people there.
Of course not knowing the Russian language, there is a limit as to the information that this historylegends guy can come across and analyse. But many of his conclusions just sound strange.
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If bypass and encircling not good idea , because of extensive defensive lines , and breakthrough must happen through Bakhmut , and assuming 8000 civilians , then how many Orcs are there ? And how many friendly troops to lose before liberation by close fighting ? And how many civilians be saved , if they are already shooting them ? Forgetting about the number of Orcs being neutralized in operation , and assuming imperative of having to take Bakhmut by infantry . Then are 1000 infantry loss justified ? How about 2000 ? Or 8000 ? But certainly no more ! And quite possibly far less , since troops can be used to save other civilians , in areas not built up and easier to take . Say 1000 troop losses , before FOAB dropped ? I do not have a good answer for this .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EiT7M3YwyU4
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have to establish their worth to be taken seriously. Never give any of these clowns the benefit of the doubt and keep them on
perpetual probation. In the nutrition and health field even the initially credible ones have a tendency to discredit themselves.
Click bait and revenue maximization is what YouCrap is mostly about.
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Ukr losses in Bakhmut. So he is a clown. The western media is a parrot for the Kiev regime and you can bet your last centavo that they
are low-balling the Ukr losses in Bakhmut.
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They haven't figured out yet their political leadership doesn't give a fk about them, that they're fighting for a lost cause and are sent there only to buy time, and the Ukraine itself is a puppet of Washington and London in the first place and looks out for their interests ahead of those of the commoners.
They usually end their filmed addresses in nationalist salutes, I see they skipped it this time - but either way they never carry out their threats nor does anything ever come from such vids. Useless from every angle.
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I am watching Gonzalo Lira's live stream and the HistoryLegends guy is using western journalists as an objective source for information about
Ukr losses in Bakhmut. So he is a clown. The western media is a parrot for the Kiev regime and you can bet your last centavo that they
are low-balling the Ukr losses in Bakhmut.
Yeah he's another 'fella', tasked to infiltrate the anti neo-con sources
They need to expose and flush this guy outta there
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Russia cannot let this war go on for years, it just can't. It's not feasible.
It must either within a reasonable time frame.
1. Force Ukraine to make a deal by killing as much as possible while taking ground.
2. Completely Annex Ukraine.
3. Install a puppet government or pro russian one, but we have seen how this worked out for em last time. So I do not see them taking this risk again.
There is no other options either take the country or put your hopes in some "deal" regardless of who you make it with, there is a high high risk it will only back fire in the end.
As I said before Russia cannot **** this up, its statehood depends on it.
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