Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Such losses are tolerable, as cynical as it sounds, the Russian population is immutable and insulated from this news - there won't be riots or revolutions from this

As well the Kremlin political circle is largely safe from such news

The only thing which can damage the political capital of Putin and his circle are economic losses

But at this point losing thousands of more troops will not harm the Z movement

Only economic losses and it would have to be catastrophic to affect a revolt , like losing Chinese economic lifeline would be a catalyst for revolution

But losing some troops won't make the Kremlin budge - they are popular in the current situation and environment

Russia fights for survival, and so it will go on as is

The real question is, does Russian government have a solution to this crisis?

Economically yes, it's obvious they are and have maneuvered effectively , and are recovering from sanctions and trade war with west

But is there a political solution to the Ukrainian war? A solution amenable to Moscow?

The ideal situation would be for Kiev to capitulate, and sign a surrender and demilitarize

For this to happen, Russia has to inflict higher casualties on Ukraine - civilian ones

Ukraine can keep taking hundreds of thousands of military losses and effectively resist a political settlement in this conflict

The west, damaged as is - can continue to arm and fund Ukrainian army

If Moscow keeps the war as is, then this will go on forever

And perhaps it will

I remember when everyone made fun of Ukrainians when they bunched up in barracks hundreds kilometres from front. But here Russians did the same while 15 from the frontline. Commander needs a promotion. To heaven that is.

Also, Russia fights for survival.. Yeah, right. Archangelsk, you guys still leave in peace, nothing obstructing your civilian life, economy is civilian, life goes on. It’s not even called a war. To be honest, you guys are in safe spot at the moment (China and other economic parters won’t drop you) that only survival at stake at the moment is Putins popularity.

It's hard to beleive they put that many people at one place.

Maybe it was mostly civilians.

Civilians mixed with military? Also, Russian TGs associated with units and people on the ground claim it was about 60 KIA soldiers and blame commanders from fucking up. Where did you get civilian clusters, 15 km from the frontline?

And where do you got so many soldiers for a party ? Most are deployed on defensive positions on a 800km front.

There are plenty of civilians in the russian controled zones.

Regular wrote:

Also, Russia fights for survival.. Yeah, right. Archangelsk, you guys still leave in peace, nothing obstructing your civilian life, economy is civilian, life goes on. It’s not even called a war. To be honest, you guys are in safe spot at the moment (China and other economic parters won’t drop you) that only survival at stake at the moment is Putins popularity

Which is why I say , there won't be a revolt from casualties

And even though there is peace in Russia, the reason for it, is that society agrees it is an existential fight and consequences come that should be tolerated

Putins popularity will remain and he is survivable, in fact I'd say even if he left, his system would remain in place

Medvedev can lead Russia, so can Shoigu, Mishustin, and others

There would be variations, but the security system is in place on a so called autopilot mode

Putin does not manually handle the levers of the economy, military, or administrative centers anymore - he has left in place a survivable system, which runs on its own

The system responds to sore points and adjusts, as we have seen the general staff do, and the central bank , all the administrative centers function as a living organism with a strong immune response

The challenge now, is can this system become intelligent and win the SMO- with its interests and goals respected and realized?

Russia can survive and achieve minor goals, but can it exact a military and political defeat on the west in this front is the main question

It's a "special" operation, that much we know at this rate. I thought Russians were the smarter Slavs for mostly living around in Florida Saratoga a warmer climate, than polaks living around in freezing Chicago in the U.S. Yeah, I am going to keep getting drunk visiting these threads and only sober up when Bakhmut gets captured.

@Arkanghelsk
Nobody is talking about revolts or anything of the kind. Accountability for fucks up like these, is what people will ask for. It is a negligence of duty. Someone signed an order to station these people in that building.

From Rybar

“ Regarding Makeevka

Arrived at the vocational school from HIMARSa.
The mobilized were lodged in the building.
A significant number of dead and wounded.
In the evening, the rubble was still dismantled.

After strikes on large ammunition and fuel depots, the depots began to be dispersed in order to avoid a large loss of materiel in the event of strikes. This brought results and the enemy had many times fewer effective strikes on large warehouses.

It would seem that a similar approach should be applied to the issue of crowded deployment of personnel within the effective fire destruction of the enemy. But as you can see, despite several months of war, some conclusions are not drawn, hence the optional losses, which, when taking elementary precautions related to the dispersal and shelter of personnel, could not have happened.

Incompetence and inability to perceive the experience of war continues to be a serious problem.

Peace to the ashes of the dead. And I hope that after this story, conclusions will finally be made.”


If you want to dispute Rybars, VO, Forpost, Rusych, Reverse side of Medal statements then you are welcome.

If you want to dispute Rybars, VO, Forpost, Rusych, Reverse side of Medal statements then you are welcome.

Some people here will. After all, theyre all ukrainian trolls and slav doomers or whining bitches. They'll just repost konashenkov's droning and excuse every avoidable fuckup due to pofigism(not even pofigism, but похуизм) with the tired "but russia is fighting all of NATO" line

Further proves theres no culture of precaution against possible mishaps that havent happened. there has to be massive mishap for there to be changes.

Give credit where it is due, the situation is unprecedented -

I give credit to Putin and the government for getting this economy in the air

That was a big feat, in March and April, there was panic, people thought the economy would collapse like in 90s

But the government took good measures and the economy is managing very well ! That alone is 50% of the battle , maybe more

But it was good for Putin to foresee the Chinese rise and build relations with them, he also managed Erdogan and the relations with Turks adeptly, and India

That is what kept Russia alive and what the CIA made massive miscalculation about durability and survivability of Russian economy

The Russian military has work to do, but also as said, the war is unprecedented

Noone really has fought in similar conditions and against a well armed and motivated opponent, and for being undermanned, the Russian army did what was expected

Now it's up to policy makers to come up with a plan on how to bring this to a conclusion , unless they plan to continue in this state until power of siberia 2 is finalized, and the Iranian Caspian trade also is stabilized

Arkangelsk, I yes, I agree, just not everyone looks at it as fight for survival.

My family in Russia got tired following this and simply think of SMO just like what Americans thought about war in Iraq and Afghanistan. “just a military operation, support the troops and Russians in Ukraine, but don’t bother me with war mumbo jumbo”

They are not dooming, simply don’t worry themselves about apocalyptic events. And everyone who are not interested in military like us are, will eventually lose interest.

And yes, even if Putin will go away, he can be replaced, even if SMO will stagnate, Russia will not cease to exist. It will just be another bitter truce. As long as economy is on point, failure of SMO will only lead to loss of popularity and rise of revanchism.

Putin didn’t bet Russias existence on this

limb, well Ukraine loses people left and right and information keeps being suppressed. Even then, losses don’t bother them that much due to so called martyrdom for the country. But then again, if Russia will follow Ukrainian model, they will lose their military in a week. Ukraine can spare bodies, Russia can’t.

A bit more detail on the site of that video of a missile falling out of the sky yesterday. Maybe today's hit was a Ukrainian response.

The Russian army destroyed the base of the 8th regiment of Ukrainian special operations forces in Khmelnitsky

A military unit of the elite Ukrainian special forces was hit by a rocket during yesterday's massive strike. The 8th SSO Regiment from Khmelnytsky is considered the best special forces unit in Ukraine. Data on enemy losses is not yet available.

t.me/intelslava/42937

Regular,

Exactly, as you said, most Russians are largely removed and unaffected

They wave the flag and put Z sticker on the car and call it a day

Only those interested in nuances follow it

That means that leadership is largely insulated from reactions from population

I think if Russia can get the second Chinese pipeline, and develop Caspian routes

We will see the SMO speed up

The logistics of the SMO , and generally Z forces operate casually

They're waiting for something

A green light

Until then, it will be battery fire and counter battery, with the odd raid on some town or small city in the line

People will die, but it is acceptable

Once Russia has finalized the supply chains to Turkey, China, India, Iran, Pakistanis, Japanese, Koreans of all directional varieties, and other eastern partners

Then some decisions can be taken as to what to do with Kiev

But for now they are closely monitoring the economic rebound, and entering GDP growth territory

Once we see +1 % GDP growth, there will be more confidence in how to proceed

For now everything is largely observe and react, because as said

The situation is unprecedented

sepheronx, but 50 dead Ukropers would be celebrated? Sure as hell one female one that no one knew or cared about was posted before?

50+ dead should be 0 dead, there should be no point to discuss this. Also, mobilised personnel if Rybar sources are correct.

Criticism is okay -

Won't change anything , it is what it is

Regular,
As you said, russia cannot afford pofigism, ukraine can. The only way pofigism has been minorly reduced is with the rise of a patriotic, often hardline communist civil society.
Im not dooming because this will be fixed, but pofigism is a problem. At least ammo decentralization worked,.


Unprecedented doesnt mean nexpected or unpredictable. Fighting all of NATO doesnt mean being negligent because a disaster hasnt happened yet.

Is Opytne captured or not? Some twitter account have said its already captured but dont know if its confirmed or not?

BTW, didnt the russians learn when HIMARS struck a bunch of chechens in one building in kherson back in october-november, i.e. the exact same thing as what happened now?

Is Opytne captured or not? Some twitter account have said its already captured but dont know if its confirmed or not?

50-50, wait for rybar, RSOTM and rozhin. Definitely a higher chance than any of pushilin's lies about marinka though.

^ It happened with Wagner too.

After all, theyre all ukrainian trolls and slav doomers or whining bitches.

I couldn't find better words to describe you...

Let's take a look at what you've been writing recently:

While it may well be true that some himars or M270 have been destroyed, theres no definitive proof...

We have no photographic proof of CAESAR and pzh2000s being destroyed beyond repair either...

The fact that ALAMO and others have gotten ballistic at the simple clear request of clear photographic that the a himars or m270 was destroyed, shows the level of delusion and retarded butthurt some habe here. The deflections are also hilarious...

Whatever himars is, an MIC commercial or effective, theres no clear photos of them destroyed...

No theres no confirmed photo of a destroyed himars or M270 launcher, no matter how much mercouris or blumenthal vids you send...

And now Limb?
Are you going to show me 50 different photos of 50 Russian KIA?
Are you going to show me 90 different photos of 90 Russian WIA?
Because so far your Rybars, VO, Forpost, Rusych, Reverse side of Medal have shown nothing but empty words and pictures of random building rubble!
Come on Limb show me the evidence!
Or you will have gotten "ballistic" at the simple clear request of clear photographic,
showing "levels of delusion" and "retarded butthurt" and
"hilarious deflections"?

It is clear here that Limb's purpose on this forum is none other than talking shit about Russia, even if this story turns out to be true the fact is that, now as I write this comment, there is no proof of what happened and despite that, Limb shoves all the arguments and logic he had in his ass just because they no longer serve his purpose of talking shit about the Russian operation.

And now Limb?
Are you going to show me 50 different photos of 50 Russian KIA?
Are you going to show me 90 different photos of 90 Russian WIA?

Admittedly I can't. How about you show me pics of every single dead ukrainian and western merc that was killed at yavorov, desna and nikolaev?

But ill bet you'll just show this as proof

Because so far your Rybars, VO, Forpost, Rusych, Reverse side of Medal have shown nothing but empty words and pictures of random building rubble!

So youre saying they're all liars and just a few russian mbilized were killed, or ukrainians hit an empty building? Damn, I guess you should tell millions of russians that there are secret ukrainian military correspondents in the russian army, and only koneshenkov and shoigu arent compromised.

Or you will have gotten "ballistic" at the simple clear request of clear photographic,
showing "levels of delusion" and "retarded butthurt" and
"hilarious deflections"?

Thats exactly what youre doing now.
Still waiting for a clear pic of  one himars or M270 destroyed

there is no proof of what happened

Theres no proof that a himars was destroyed, yet you believe dozens have been destroyed. Whats wrong with trusting russians who are in donetsk?

It happened with Wagner too.

AFAIK not as big losses with them.

Admittedly I can't.

Then STFU. otherwise you are just spewing NATzO propaganda