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That means at least half of the worms crawled from the dump they have been sitting

Those are heavy projectiles those guns fire and they leave the gun at very high speed... firing such weapons at any aerial target is going to be very dangerous for anything within a 10km radius of that vehicle... the collateral damage will be extensive...

They care shit about that, and we know it.
I would say it is a very interesting issue just from the technical perspective, and each next conflict can bring the same questions.
How to cover aerial targets like cities from loitering ammunition, cruise missiles etc, while limiting the collateral damage caused by your own air defense?
This conflict is unique, as the stock the Ukrs are using is simply old and badly maintained, leading to unprecedented numbers of cook-offs, trajectory changes, friendly fire cases etc.
Anyway, big missiles like S-300 or Buk, even AIM-120 or IRIS are big enough to cause enormous collateral damage only with the falling debris. What is left of Pancyr missile let's say, is a carbon fiber-made body that weights maybe 2 kilos, engine nozzles, and some small debris...
I would say that some sort of solution to further fragmentize the remains of missiles would be needed.
Barrel artillery is even bigger problem, as the are of potential collateral damage is so spread that can't be organized in any matter. Every single bullet will fall down, and with energy high enough to kill or make serious material damage. The things like this Jihadmobile is a potential district killers - take a look at the ammo boxes they have there. If someone will be stupid enough to really use it over the city, the rain or bullets will fall all over. Sure that if there is an air raid, people should stay in shalters yet ...

It only takes one idiot commander to approve such a 'New Year's Party' and for the Ukrainians to find out about it from some local sympathizer with a Telegram account. That's literally all it takes.

It is a kind of Rogozin story.
Making a Bday party in the middle of war, in the range of the enemy, and informing about that in social media ...
Oh yeah, that is next to genie ... The guy had more luck than his brain.

Regular wrote:Also, Russia fights for survival.. Yeah, right. Archangelsk, you guys still leave in peace, nothing obstructing your civilian life, economy is civilian, life goes on. It’s not even called a war. To be honest, you guys are in safe spot at the moment (China and other economic parters won’t drop you) that only survival at stake at the moment is Putins popularity.

Wut? You should be only too aware that the "fight for survival" isn't due to Ukropi military aggression but the fact that a fanatically Russophobic globalist-controlled NATO has siezed control of Ukropistan and is fully intent on using it as hammer to smash Russia as hard as possible right where it hurts. If the Kiev regime is not ripped out by the roots and banderism expunged to the last goose-stepping idiot then NATO will consolidate its control, formally admit 404 into its ranks, garrison it with troops and nukes, and place offensive missiles adjacent to places like Belgorod, and Moscow will be 5 minutes flight time from enemy nuclear-tipped hypersonics.

Ain't.. gonna... fcking... happen...

This is an existensial threat, and the Bear has had enough of trying to make nice to people who hate it, and who will never stop hating it. The only option left now is to come out of the cave and rip their guts out with fang and claw.

I would say that the interception rate over Doneck is actually disappointing.
So much disappointing that it makes me wonder if it is not deliberate.
Not like the Russkie are doing that by purpose to let's say antagonize the population more...
But like they are making a trade-off for the damage caused by those attacks versus collateral damage that would appear if they would start to target missiles or artillery shells above the city with heavy systems.
They are taking down what is relatively safe, and pass some of it because can't intercept them without causing additional damage. No matter how cynical it seems, if the missile or a round is above the city anyway, if you intercept it, it will still fall down. Along with your own missile that can still have unburnt fuel etc ... As the Ukrs are not targeting any strategic infrastructure there being incapable of doing so, the risk is only civilian casualties and material damage ... Material damage is irrelevant, there will be a massive reconstruction of the whole regions anyway ... so the only real goal is to disperse the people. Make them sit in shelters etc.
The other factor is the lack of operational space there - Ukrs are still at the perimeters of Doneck. Every single shell or missile is above the city a few seconds after the start, so there is no option to take them down on approach. The only real solution would be to push them back for another 30 km. Then you can construct a proper AD at the approaches to the agglomeration, not over it.

Wut? You should be only too aware that the "fight for survival" isn't due to Ukropi military aggression but the fact that a fanatically Russophobic globalist-controlled NATO has siezed control of Ukropistan and is fully intent on using it as hammer to smash Russia as hard as possible right where it hurts. If the Kiev regime is not ripped out by the roots and banderism expunged to the last goose-stepping idiot then NATO will consolidate its control, formally admit 404 into its ranks, garrison it with troops and nukes, and place offensive missiles adjacent to places like Belgorod, and Moscow will be 5 minutes flight time from enemy nuclear-tipped hypersonics.
Ain't.. gonna... fcking... happen... angry
This is an existensial threat, and the Bear has had enough of trying to make nice to people who hate it, and who will never stop hating it. The only option left now is to come out of the cave and rip their guts out with fang and claw. attack

It is not even that.
Sometimes I really doubt the ability to link the dots by some of the members here, and part of them really not doing that on purpose ...
It was enough to watch carefully the materials provided from Mariopol siege to get the things clear.
Ukrowehrmacht was getting ready for an offensive operation. Getting ready for years - those huge weapon deliveries were there for a purpose. The huge concentration in the Donbas area was there on purpose either.
Russkie have been kind enough to present Azov battle plans concerning a spearhead towards Novoazovsk and the Russian border.
So what we would face anyway at some moment in 2022, would be a Ukrainian offensive operation against the republics.
And it would probably succeed, as we can already clearly see the casualty ratio is not an issue for Kievan regime. They would achieve a 4:1 force multiplier against the republican corps, and just flood them with their own blood. As easy as that.
So the situation Russia would face then would be as follows : they can do nothing, or invade the Ukraine.
By doing nothing, Russian position in the world's politics would deprive rapidly. There is even no point to discuss that, that would be a geopolitical catastrophe.
By intervening, Russkie would have a war anyway, but on other terms already.  With all the scenario points set by the west fulfilled one by one.
As was said once, their choice was dishonor or war. Back then, someone chooses dishonor and gets a war anyway. Russkie didn't made that mistake and choose war.

Edit : an interesting fact, again. A whole territory of the republics has been heavily compromised for years by ... the OSCE espionage mission. We get that clearly now as well. Tons of materials provided by the Russian side leave no doubts what OSCE was doing there. Ukrainian army seized laptops delivered directly from the OSCE, with access to OSCE monitoring system. Regular reports made, with detailed localization of republican units, equipment bases etc - that was a part of "peace agreements", right? Nobody who has anything more in a skull than a string keeping the ears attached heeds any further proofs. All was clear. Two rounds of Ukro military build up, once dispersed by the last Normandy format meeting, second time by a rapid Russian mobilization ... That made the Cocainsky a bit afraid ... Yet the third time would follow. Sponsors demanded that.

Edit : this is a good one.

At the stroke of midnight on New Years 2023, the Ukrainian Army, doubtless hoping for vengeance after what was then three days of relentless Russian missile and drone attacks, fired three or four GMLRS missiles at the No. 19 Vocational School in Makeevka. The building exploded when hit but no videos of a major fire or secondary explosions came out, there were no reports of a large emergency response, and news of the strike was buried in the morning reports. Makeevka finished celebrating the New Years and went to sleep without further incident. Video of the scene came out later, with a handful of personnel from the civilian emergency services and a couple soldiers examining the demolished school building.

Then, almost twenty-four hours later, rumors started circulating among Russian war correspondents (voenkors) that soldiers had been killed. An unknown number turned into "two or three" (according to Aleksandr Sladkov), then turned into "dozens" (unofficially somewhere between 50 and 70), which was quickly inflated by Ukrainian propagandists into no less than six hundred hapless Russian reservists vaporized by the dreaded HIMARS. The voenkor community promptly used the event to engage in their favorite pastime: accusing every Russian officer not within earshot of being grossly incompetent, criminally negligent, or treasonous.

This entire event reminds me of the rumors that were spread of massive Russian casualties during the attack on Pavlovka, which eventually required an official response to refute. Judging by the evidence the only thing that happened in Makeevka on New Years was a small ammunition dump struck with perhaps some guards killed. The Russians would not billet a company of troops on top of an ammo depot, and if they had there would have been a large rescue effort and evacuation of wounded noted by observers. In the meantime perhaps the voenkors should check their sources before leveling accusations of treason so casually.