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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:34 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:01 pm

    Post caveat emptor Today at 9:30 pm

    Do resident Russians on the forum know who this idiot is?
    https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/21284


    The whole episode is a witch show, to be honest, with Soloviov flying high.
    Someone should make a call to them all because at this rate they will fall down the scale at any moment.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:07 pm

    @Alamo
    Talk show is on a tabloid level, but this guy wins it all.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:11 pm

    This show used to be quite a good one.
    I liked it.
    I suppose that the scenario just changed, and it transferred to hard propaganda.
    Maybe it is useful for the assigned tasks, IDK dunno
    We are not an audience anymore for sure.
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    Post  limb Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:25 pm

    Remember when the "trustworthy" konashenkov claimed that 4 bradleys were destroyed back in september. I do, just like I remember the claims of 10, not 20 NATO generals and officers trapped in Mariupol.

    ANd you expect tme to believe that his reports of himars launchers being destroyed are true.


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    Post  limb Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:32 pm

    Whats this whole claim about wagner only successfully storming ukrainian trenches by wearing ukrainian uniforms?
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:41 pm

    The Turks sent them in, without aps or armor packages which they had.

    They where used wrong, that doesn't make them bad just the morons who sent them into agtm lines, no tank on earth would fare any different in that situation


    Yes, they used them wrong.

    What does make you believe NATO fronthead "PONOS" countries will use them any better?

    Polish, Germans, Czech and even the British will use them in such a way in many cases. In some isolated attempts to test out enemy forces with reduces amount of resources wasted to try out the military strength of a front. That is standard military practice since centuries.

    Now if you have ever served then you would know, that the NATO standard of military discipline and training isn't some high level.
    Very narrow minded understanding in training and possible scenarios have been written by pencil pushing high officers, which haven't seen the battlefield nor real life work. Some of the decade long family traditionalists in German Bundeswehr are entering as young 2X year old Leuitanents with a paid university from the Bundeswehr and stay in that career without ever living the soldiers life. From the young age trying to play a higher ranked commander without knowing anything of military other what his pencil pushing Papa and alike has thought them. There is even a saying in the Bundeswehr, "There are plenty of Officers, but of little use". This was parroted even by two Majors which actually served from the lowest Gefreiten-Ranks up to their positions.

    The Polish are the mightiest of entire NATO in Europe and still would have been destroyed by the Ukro-Army, so how exactly do you expect inferior Army's performing better than the Ukros with their mightier, zerg-army?

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:46 pm

    Remember when the "trustworthy" konashenkov claimed that 4 bradleys were destroyed back in september. I do, just like I remember the claims of 10, not 20 NATO generals and officers trapped in Mariupol.

    Bugger off. It was good propaganda. Lots of ppl in the west thought it could be true. It put the scare in ppl.

    Which is a hell of a lot better info warfare than just Rybar crying about everything and airing dirty laundry all day

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:57 pm

    Now if you have ever served then

    Battlefield counts twice! Laughing

    The Polish are the mightiest of entire NATO in Europe and still would have been destroyed by the Ukro-Army, so how exactly do you expect inferior Army's performing better than the Ukros with their mightier, zerg-army?

    Objectively?
    Oh, sure we would.
    Ukrs were about twice as heavy, and that alone makes a real thing to think about, as Poland was NATO's fourth heavy army.
    They owned a quite impressive MIC capable to deliver really good gear, and fill the lines with it for years.
    But you are addressing your call to a guy who has no clue about anything other than where to piss. Laughing Laughing



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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:01 am

    I am waiting for some Youtube comment section answer...like some one guy
    "I served in Vietnam"
    ~ quote from PussyDestroyer1990 Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:03 am

    Maybe 1990 was a year when someone destroyed his pussy for a first time, don't be a judge bro! Laughing

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:07 am

    Captured patches by the Russians...

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    Post  limb Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:25 am

    Bugger off. It was good propaganda. Lots of ppl in the west thought it could be true. It put the scare in ppl.

    Which is a hell of a lot better info warfare than just Rybar crying about everything and airing dirty laundry all day
    Lmao at you seriously thinking people believed it. Thats some serious copium. There were no photos, just konashenkov saying it. Also lmao at "good propaganda". Do you believe ukrainian claims of shooting down 100 russian aircraft or sinking the admiral makarov twice was great for them because it was also "good propaganda". Just admit that konashenkov is barely above the level of ukrainian defence ministry propaganda.

    In the last 5 months, no one here has actually succeeded in debunking anything rybar has reported with actual evidence. The only thing I see from your post is that you hate rybar and others because not everything he says is good news.
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    Post  Belisarius Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:34 am

    Oh my God! Konashenkov got the name of ONE vehicle wrong ONCE, now the reliability of the Russian Mod is gone entirely. Rolling Eyes


    Anyway, regarding the foreign officials in the azovstal:
    Two more Ukrainian helicopters were shot down yesterday as they tried to break the military blockade imposed by Russian troops on Mariupol and evacuate the warlords leading the war.


    On 31 March, two more helicopters were shot down, one over the sea and the other near the village of Rybatskoye.


    On 28 March another plane was shot down over the sea, 5 km off the coast.


    With only 50 to 60 helicopters left for the entire Ukrainian army, these are very significant losses of war materiel. Yet NATO and its Ukrainian poodles insist on evacuating the ringleaders they have trapped in the city. The question is who they are trying to rescue.


    It is understandable that they want to save the Azov Battalion but cannon fodder, like Nazi criminals, cannot be too much of a headache to take the risks they are taking.


    It is therefore time for speculation. Suspicions point in the direction of the Azov steel factory, one of the largest in Europe, which is said to be the headquarters of the Azov Battalion. However, it appears to be more likely to be NATO headquarters in Ukraine.


    NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and Sweden appear to have been overrun at the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol. “They are now contacting Russian troops to ask them to help them leave, to organise a corridor to get out”, according to journalist German Vladimirov (1).


    The information is very plausible. In September last year, during military exercises, the Ukrainian army set up a command post for airborne assault troops at a training camp near Urzuf (on the coast of the Sea of Azov, on the border of the Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia regions), where there were British, Canadian and Swedish officers. In Mariupol the operational units are British and Swedish, along with the Ukrainians of the 36th Marine Brigade.


    This is why Macron insists on calling Putin every day. He has an election this weekend and a lead of only 3 per cent over Le Pen. If news now breaks that French troops have been killed, Macron’s re-election would be impossible.


    There is another piece of information to pick on: the Russian army has captured US Army Lieutenant General Roger L. Cloutier in Mariupol. The Pentagon neither confirms nor denies this information. The information comes from Kiev via an American working there and the news was published on the Hal Turner Radio Show website.


    A NATO spokesman has denied it and one of those whippersnapper websites dedicated to “fact-checking” indicates that Coultier is in Turkey (2), although they only refer to… his Linkedin profile, where he appears in a message dated yesterday.


    But let’s continue with the speculation. If the general was in Mariupol, he would be the liaison with the AWACS data transmission system, acting as an advisor and working with the information received from US satellites.


    The general has French roots, and there is strong evidence that French Legion mercenaries were operating in Marioupol, have been wiped out and what remains of them have been moved to the port area of the city, possibly to be evacuated by sea.


    Further evidence has been found that two foreign instructors were found in a Ukrainian helicopter that was not evacuated from the port area of Marioupol two days ago. French digital media have started to spread Gallia Daily’s information about the death of at least two high-ranking French army officers near Mariopol.


    French spokesmen deny everything, but Chinese journalists visited the crash site and confirmed the presence of French documents on the bodies.
    https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2022/04/06/nato-officers-leading-the-war-against-russia-are-surrounded-in-mariupol/


    Yes yes the Russian Mod lied about NATO officers in the azovstal, Macron insisting on calling Putin, Ukraine spending helicopters on suicide rescue missions certainly has nothing to do with it Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:38 am

    What happened in Vegas stays in Vegas, you know Laughing

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    Post  limb Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:49 am

    Was there any hard evidence that these helicopters had NATO officers in them, instead of conjecture such as macron calling putin? Documents, body parts, dna?

    What makes you think Ukraine which has a shortage of high ranking carreer officers,wouldnt try to evacuate them?

    "Highly likely" or "highly probable" dont cut it. Thats the level of the British army "intelligence" reports we all make fun of.


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    Post  ludovicense Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:46 am

    I just read on the telegram channel Eurasia & Multipolarity that the production of the T-90 M exceeded 200 units delivered (between new and converted units). It also informs that 50 Armata have already been manufactured, which for me would be a big surprise.
    In fact, a few days ago, a video of Armata's training was posted on social networks. At first they even said that they were fighting in Ukraine, but this was not confirmed.
    Always remembering that the factories are producing on a 24-hour shift, which makes this news plausible.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jan 13, 2023 3:58 am

    The authorities of the DPR announced the capture of Artemovsk in the operational encirclement by the forces of the Russian Federation, 01.12.2023.

    Advisor to the Acting Head of the DPR Kimakovsky: Russian forces took Artemovsk into an operational encirclement.

    Russian forces took Artemovsk (Ukrainian name - Bakhmut) into an operational encirclement. This was announced on Thursday, January 12, by Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the acting head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

    “The city [Artemovsk] is now in an operational encirclement, our serious fists are being formed from both sides, which are covering the city. Almost around Artemovsk, our artillery is also working closely, ”Kimakovsky said on Channel One .

    Revealing the details of the combat work of Russian artillerymen in a given direction, the adviser to the acting head of the DPR said that the military did not allow Ukrainian nationalists to "get out of the trenches . " In this regard, the intensity of shelling of Donetsk by the radicals has decreased.

    In turn, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky undertook to organize the uninterrupted and prompt receipt of ammunition for the militants in Artemovsk and Soledar . At the same time, one of the nationalists working in the Soledar region, on condition of anonymity, told CNN that the Kiev leadership abandoned the radicals , despite the wounded militants and the lack of food and water.

    As The Wall Street Journal reported on January 10, after analyzing the opinion of Western and Ukrainian officials and analysts, the militants should leave Artemivsk, since the battle is taking place on Russia's terms . According to the newspaper's informant, the radicals acknowledged heavy losses in the area of ​​the city.

    Artemovsk is located in the north of the Donetsk Republic, 70 km from Donetsk and 25 km from the border with the Lugansk People's Republic. The city is an important transport hub , from here roads and railways go to the major cities of the DPR - Kramatorsk, Gorlovka and Slavyansk, as well as to Lugansk, Lysychansk and Severodonetsk located in the LPR.

    Russia continues the special operation to protect Donbass . The decision to start it was made on February 24 against the background of the aggravation of the situation in the region due to shelling by Ukrainian troops.

    https://iz.ru/1453974/2023-01-13/vlasti-dnr-soobshchili-o-vziatii-artemovka-v-operativnoe-okruzhenie-silami-rf

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    Post  Regular Fri Jan 13, 2023 4:42 am

    You have to remember who the target audience for RuMod is. It's not me or you. Same as US Mod announcements during Iraq war. It is basically for babushkas watching TV. No one else watches TV nor Russians follow this conflict as we do. Russians who care, usually sit on TG and VK groups. Even then, interest is not there. Unlike Ukraine, Russian society is not in a war mode.

    There was much better and quality reporting from Syria.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 13, 2023 5:04 am

    I totally agree latter one. When I was in military service, I was thought to aim always middle of the torso: 1) biggest target and therefore most propable hit. 2) Hit on stomach won't kill instantly, but leaves enemy totally disabled, and causes a lot of trouble for medics, transportation, hospitals, etc. Eventually it burdens your enemy much more than KIA. In most cases severly injured is also out of action permanently.

    One of the hardest things to do is estimate range accurately, especially in unfamiliar surroundings and of course under stress so aiming centre mass gives you the best chance of at least getting a hit.

    Western shooting ranges often have a bullseye, but eastern block ranges generally have a torso shaped and torso sized target where no credit or penalty is given for hitting or not hitting vital organ positions.

    Aiming centre torso with an AK on battle setting (ie zeroed to 300m) means shooting at a target centre of mass you will get a hit at any distance from 0 to about 400m... at no point would the trajectory of the round rise to above the average persons head nor drop too low to hit the ground.

    Means you really don't need to worry about range just centre of mass and shoot... so you just need to worry about lead for moving targets and wind.

    So in this video , every murder of Ukrainian soldiers is the result of their independent careful efforts .

    Not murder. It would only be murder if they got shot after surrendering... they didn't surrender so they are fair game... casualties of war... killed in action.

    @Garry: a response to ISW's claim that Russia is out of ammo again... but I want to ask why he mentioned New Zealand ? Did anything happened in NZ that I failed to follow ?

    Nice to get mentioned, but understandable... most of our military gear is bought from overseas countries because we don't make very much of our own, so the dig is pretty much accurate.

    Our military assault rifles are Austrian and made in Australia, the rifles our police use are American and are certainly not made here either, our LAV 3s, in fact I don't think we even make our own ammo.... pretty sad really.

    Whoever wrote that Russia will run out of a 152mm or 122mm - of which they have stockpile rounds of this - is fishing for followers

    It is propaganda reflection... we are struggling to supply ammo so they must be struggling too because they couldn't possibly be better off than us.

    Running low on guided missiles was also a problem for the west on multiple occasions too... in various conflicts.

    NZ is a small country with a small population. Not a lot of industry.

    Pretty much.

    5 million population at the arse end of the planet with the biggest problem being no subsidies in international trade so we compete with the world so we had a car assembly industry and a clothing industry, but now we don't... we have fashion designers that have their products made in China and shipped here and around the world.

    We do have a very strong farming industry because of our mild climate (we are surrounded by water and far enough away from the equator to be a desert like our neighbour to the west... Smile )

    that one vid which says RPG-21 is clearly not an RPG as its guiding. What missle is that. And WTF missile is on the Leopard ? is that a Kornet? The M1 is probably fixable as the ammo is well isolated on that tank.

    All ATGMs punch very small holes through very thick armour... the difference between them has more to do with ammo type and ammo storage and where the missile hits.

    A direct hit that ignites a lot of ammo at once creates a huge boom, one that hits propellent only will burn like the Abrams video... I suspect it didn't have much HEAT or HE rounds on board as that was basically propellent burning.

    I rather suspect that Abrams would be burning for quite some time and the position of the turret could lead to an engine fire which would likely burn out the entire tank.

    When fuel hits its flashpoint it explodes rather than burns so fires like that burning for more than a few minutes can make impressive displays too.

    Some analysts said the Russian offensive would be to go in and get out

    Go in and hunt VSU, mine the place, get out, pullback to defensive lines, and let them come to them

    That's how you leave a DMZ, once they're all dead, come back in and put some bases

    Rinse, repeat

    The current problem is that parts of Russia are currently in range of Orc artillery so any moves forward into Orc territory should not be given up... the push should continue further into orc territory and when they get clear of Russian territory they can ask the orcs in the new territory if they want a referendum too...

    Whats this whole claim about wagner only successfully storming ukrainian trenches by wearing ukrainian uniforms?

    Because obviously Russia is weak and Kiev is strong and the only way the Russians could beat the Ukrainians on the battlefield is deception obviously... not.

    I am waiting for some Youtube comment section answer...like some one guy
    "I served in Vietnam"
    ~ quote from PussyDestroyer1990 Laughing

    Sounds like the Kevin bloody Wilson joke that his grandfather shot 12 japanese at Pearl Harbour.... in 1980.

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    Post  Regular Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:17 am

    I have seen Ukrainians cry about Russians using AR-15 to trick them into thinking they are Ukrainian SF.

    In recent Soledar video you can see Wagner using Orsis AR-15J rifle and that sparked another butthurt.
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    A short video about this AK, very popular among Russian gun bloggers too


    There are at least 5 companies in Russia that produced AR-15 type of rifles in all calibers you can imagine. Even Kalashnikov makes AR-15s... It's not just the hype, Russians bring new things to the platform and improve for their own use.
    Russian metallurgy is very good and barrels for AR-15 are very thin. Stanag mags are quite bad due to how weak they are. All of this was improved. It's a good rifle if it's well-made and Russian SF likes to use it for competitions too.

    Lobaev recently gave 100s of AR-15 precision rifles to soldiers and they high-end gear, even Ukrainian SF with all freebies would salivate for their products. The founder of the company runs a charity for soldiers as well.
    https://en.topwar.ru/206634-snajperskie-vintovki-smersh-i-schetchik-postupajut-v-vojska.html

    I love how defensive Ukrainians are if all the western equipment is automatically theirs and somehow they can use it, but Russians using it is a warcrime

    Yes, Counterstrike noob gun was seen used by Russians too, cry more

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:23 am

    Garryb wrote:
    The current problem is that parts of Russia are currently in range of Orc artillery so any moves forward into Orc territory should not be given up... the push should continue further into orc territory and when they get clear of Russian territory they can ask the orcs in the new territory if they want a referendum too...


    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian military took Artemovsk-Kimakovsky into the operational environment

    Artemovsk is in the operational environment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the acting head of the DPR, said on the air of Channel One. According to him, Russian artillery is working closely there on enemy targets.

    For the city, as well as for Krasnaya Gora, Kleshcheevka and Paraskovievka, fighting is going on to establish fire control over the Chasov Yar-Artemovsk road. So the RF Armed Forces will cut off the supply lines of the Ukrainian group.

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    M-03 is a big important target in this area -

    This artery will cutoff Seversk from Artemovsk, also Artemovsk will be cut off from Chasov Yar

    It also means that there is no defensible position between Artemovsk and Kramatorsk/Slavyansk

    M-03 goes directly there bypassing Konstantinovka and Chasov Yar

    A good offensive could bisect the agglomeration in two

    Split the last line of Defense in two to make it easier to mop up

    We will see how the GS and MOD proceed

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