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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40
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Wasn't he using "idiot" word to name it? 
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Looking worse than Bakhmut.
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famschopman Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:45 pm
Looks like Ukraine is also converting tank turrets into UAVs, this one hit the ground but did not explode.
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Now you can see the battlefield experts themselves...
Now you can see the battlefield experts themselves...
As colleagues from Rybar rightly point out, the assault on Ugledar should (was) carried out by covering the mountains ... As colleagues from Rybar rightly point out, the assault on Ugledar should (was) carried out by engulfing the city and cutting all supply lines, followed by a simultaneous strike from several sides. However, the bulk of all operations of the RF Armed Forces to storm settlements over the past year was carried out according to a completely different scheme: first, a frontal assault was undertaken with losses, then a rollback to regroup and a subsequent attempt at flank maneuvers to cover, which also ended in failure, because the element of surprise was missed , and the enemy managed to pull up the reserve to the flanks and strengthen them. This happened in the case of Ugledar, when the Marine Corps units and the Kaskad OBTF storming the city in the forehead were able to gain a foothold only in the dacha sector, and the subsequent belated flank attack by motorized riflemen also led to heavy losses on the flanks already fortified by the enemy. Now the battles for the city have acquired a positional character with an exchange of blows, which could be observed in most cases even before Ugledar. Here, again and again, questions arise for the planners of such attacks, who are not able to learn even from their own mistakes in a year. Another problem with the implementation of the tactics of isolating the combat area and flank attacks against the encircled is the continuing lack of ammunition, primarily precision-guided projectiles and bombs, as well as the overcomplicated data exchange between reconnaissance and strike assets. Cutting supply lines is possible, first of all, with accurate strikes against the rear of the enemy and his supply routes tens of kilometers in depth, which practically does not happen. Without such systematic strikes, the enemy has brought and will bring supplies and reinforcements, as well as rotate forces, which turns each assault into an endless meat grinder in the ruins. If this situation persists, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will step on the same rake in every more or less large settlement, practically not moving forward. @milinfolive wrote:
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Troops entered Makeevka
Some things never change...
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Odin of Ossetia Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:20 pm
"Arrow" I remember that back in late February and March, during the earliest phase of the Special Military Operation, the Russians captured considerable amounts of various guided Western-made missiles like for example the Javelin anti-tank guided missiles, NLAWS (or what are they called?) and etc. I remember many of them were then removed from the Russian troops and "put in storage because currently they are not needed."
What happened to these missiles? Are they still in storage?
Is this some sort of ethnic Ukrainian sabotage and fifth column activity?
I mean the removing of badly needed captured munitions from the troops, the stupid and costly frontal attacks, and other strange actions.
And with regard to awarding the U.S. drone-downing pilot(s) with the Order of Courage, I think this is a bit of an excessive decoration for the deed in question. In the end only a single drone was downed. I think the decoration should have been of a lower level.
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And with regard to awarding the U.S. drone-downing pilot(s) with the Order of Courage, I think this is a bit of an excessive decoration for the deed in question. In the end only a single drone was downed. I think the decoration should have been of a lower level."
It was certainly skillful whatever it was that he actually did.
Also bear in mind that it caused the right reaction in NATO, their Global Hawk and RC-135W are now staying well away from Crimea. As per Zero Hedge today
US Moves Drone Flight Paths Further From Crimea On Russian Threats Of "Countermeasures"
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Thursday, Mar 23, 2023 - 06:45 AM
Russia is again putting the US on notice after last week's drone intercept incident which resulted in an American MQ-9 Reaper drone crashing into the Black Sea. The Pentagon said it intended to continue patrolling international territory despite the Kremlin asserting it had closed down some airspace over the Black Sea as part of its 'special operation' in Ukraine.
Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov in a new warning has said Moscow will take "countermeasures" against any further US or NATO drone flights over these parts of the Black Sea where the intercept incident occurred.
"We warn them against trying to play on their nerves, testing our patience," Ryabkov said, according to RIA Novosti. The US drone "was in a zone where we introduced a special regime associated with conducting military exercises," he said.
He vowed that Russia's sovereignty and security will be ensured "by all means available" and that "no American drones, whether reconnaissance, strike, strategic or any other kind" will "shake their determination."
According to sources cited in CNN, the Pentagon has altered the paths of its drone flights further away from the Crimea peninsula on fears that another incident such as last week's could spark a shooting war with Russia:
The drone flights have remained in international airspace, but since the collision between one of the Russian jets and the MQ-9 Reaper drone last Tuesday, the US has moved its drone flights further away from airspace surrounding the Crimean peninsula and eastern portions of the Black Sea.
One of the officials said the routes are part of an effort "to avoid being too provocative," as the Biden administration remains careful to avoid an incident that could potentially escalate into a direct conflict between US and Russian forces.
And more:
The official said the drone flights would continue this way "for the time being," but added there is already "an appetite" to return to the routes closer to Russian-held territory.
We are soon likely to witness more jostling over airspace in the Black Sea, and in response Russia will continue to assert more of its red lines, possibly again by force as was the case with the Reaper drone. Meanwhile the Russians are still reportedly trying to recovered the downed US drone, which reportedly sank in very deep waters.
And with regard to awarding the U.S. drone-downing pilot(s) with the Order of Courage, I think this is a bit of an excessive decoration for the deed in question. In the end only a single drone was downed. I think the decoration should have been of a lower level."
It was certainly skillful whatever it was that he actually did.
Also bear in mind that it caused the right reaction in NATO, their Global Hawk and RC-135W are now staying well away from Crimea. As per Zero Hedge today
US Moves Drone Flight Paths Further From Crimea On Russian Threats Of "Countermeasures"
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by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Mar 23, 2023 - 06:45 AM
Russia is again putting the US on notice after last week's drone intercept incident which resulted in an American MQ-9 Reaper drone crashing into the Black Sea. The Pentagon said it intended to continue patrolling international territory despite the Kremlin asserting it had closed down some airspace over the Black Sea as part of its 'special operation' in Ukraine.
Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov in a new warning has said Moscow will take "countermeasures" against any further US or NATO drone flights over these parts of the Black Sea where the intercept incident occurred.
"We warn them against trying to play on their nerves, testing our patience," Ryabkov said, according to RIA Novosti. The US drone "was in a zone where we introduced a special regime associated with conducting military exercises," he said.
He vowed that Russia's sovereignty and security will be ensured "by all means available" and that "no American drones, whether reconnaissance, strike, strategic or any other kind" will "shake their determination."
According to sources cited in CNN, the Pentagon has altered the paths of its drone flights further away from the Crimea peninsula on fears that another incident such as last week's could spark a shooting war with Russia:
The drone flights have remained in international airspace, but since the collision between one of the Russian jets and the MQ-9 Reaper drone last Tuesday, the US has moved its drone flights further away from airspace surrounding the Crimean peninsula and eastern portions of the Black Sea.
One of the officials said the routes are part of an effort "to avoid being too provocative," as the Biden administration remains careful to avoid an incident that could potentially escalate into a direct conflict between US and Russian forces.
And more:
The official said the drone flights would continue this way "for the time being," but added there is already "an appetite" to return to the routes closer to Russian-held territory.
We are soon likely to witness more jostling over airspace in the Black Sea, and in response Russia will continue to assert more of its red lines, possibly again by force as was the case with the Reaper drone. Meanwhile the Russians are still reportedly trying to recovered the downed US drone, which reportedly sank in very deep waters.
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Also bear in mind that it caused the right reaction in NATO, their Global Hawk and RC-135W are now staying well away from Crimea.
They are flying a few hundred km further south indeed.
But that is something that can be actually expected.
People don't realize how powerful the Russian ECM suit is.
I know the situation when they frosted E-3 over Poland, as it flew too close to Kaliningrad.
Or close enough
They didn't even know what hit them, asked our guys if they have registered any special kind of emission/s.
B-52 flights a few years ago ended up with a loop before even a hypothetical range of Kaliningrad-based S-400 was crossed.
I suppose Russkie don't want to uncover themselves, for obvious reasons.
Edit : this is quite interesting.
https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/64273
Ukrs are complaining that out of 475 men strong battalion, only 50 are left.
And out of 50, only 20 are fighting, as the remaining 30 are assigned to serve the staff purposes. Like cooking noodles and collecting firewood
It tells us all about the Ukro complication and losses. A battalion is nominally 30% understrength, and slaughtered to 10% of it's nominal status.
Yet they are still "a battalion"
Edit 2 :
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/81125
Those two girls spotted & killed a naval drone that tried to penetrate Sevastopol's perimeter.
Again, spotted through binocles ...
I suppose there is no way to systematically search for this type of threat at the moment, the tools need to be figured out and constructed.
Edit 3 :
The thing is getting more and more suspicious
Todays entries of both McGregor and Ritter include things ... Just watch and compare ...
Hey Scott bro, I will give you one more hint!
It is not only a case that Brits are mad&stupid enough to ship DU ammo to the conflict.
What is a case, is the fact that AP they are using is a fukin' museum!
All the "British spirit" is a sick joke, as both HESH and separate loading rifled gun AP rounds are decades behind the competition.
A RIFLED GUN itself is the issue because it can't shoot ammo with the velocity the smoothbore one does.
Russkie smoothbore guns fire the ammo at 1800m/s, in some cases higher, in some lower.
British "Royal Ordnance 120" is a joke.
Brits are keeping all the data close as the bloody crown jewels, so we can't know the details that are widely public for all the others.
The fact that they are a fukin joke and nobody really cares is helpful here.
At final, we have proven data for very old ammo like L23, and ... it is a circus.
L23 max velocity is in a range of 1500 m/s.
Here you have, the mightiest piercing arrows of used to be empire ...
L23, L26 and L27.
Welcome into 70s lads!!
The penetrator is limited in length - so weight - because of the separate load.
So what you have, is a short round fired at a low speed, with a technology made in the 90s at best.
Russkie tanks will shit the pants.
Use that for free Scott, you are welcome.
Just say "hi".
They are flying a few hundred km further south indeed.
But that is something that can be actually expected.
People don't realize how powerful the Russian ECM suit is.
I know the situation when they frosted E-3 over Poland, as it flew too close to Kaliningrad.
Or close enough
They didn't even know what hit them, asked our guys if they have registered any special kind of emission/s.
B-52 flights a few years ago ended up with a loop before even a hypothetical range of Kaliningrad-based S-400 was crossed.
I suppose Russkie don't want to uncover themselves, for obvious reasons.
Edit : this is quite interesting.
https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/64273
Ukrs are complaining that out of 475 men strong battalion, only 50 are left.
And out of 50, only 20 are fighting, as the remaining 30 are assigned to serve the staff purposes. Like cooking noodles and collecting firewood
It tells us all about the Ukro complication and losses. A battalion is nominally 30% understrength, and slaughtered to 10% of it's nominal status.
Yet they are still "a battalion"
Edit 2 :
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/81125
Those two girls spotted & killed a naval drone that tried to penetrate Sevastopol's perimeter.
Again, spotted through binocles ...
I suppose there is no way to systematically search for this type of threat at the moment, the tools need to be figured out and constructed.
Edit 3 :
The thing is getting more and more suspicious
Todays entries of both McGregor and Ritter include things ... Just watch and compare ...
Hey Scott bro, I will give you one more hint!
It is not only a case that Brits are mad&stupid enough to ship DU ammo to the conflict.
What is a case, is the fact that AP they are using is a fukin' museum!
All the "British spirit" is a sick joke, as both HESH and separate loading rifled gun AP rounds are decades behind the competition.
A RIFLED GUN itself is the issue because it can't shoot ammo with the velocity the smoothbore one does.
Russkie smoothbore guns fire the ammo at 1800m/s, in some cases higher, in some lower.
British "Royal Ordnance 120" is a joke.
Brits are keeping all the data close as the bloody crown jewels, so we can't know the details that are widely public for all the others.
The fact that they are a fukin joke and nobody really cares is helpful here.
At final, we have proven data for very old ammo like L23, and ... it is a circus.
L23 max velocity is in a range of 1500 m/s.
Here you have, the mightiest piercing arrows of used to be empire ...
L23, L26 and L27.
Welcome into 70s lads!!
The penetrator is limited in length - so weight - because of the separate load.
So what you have, is a short round fired at a low speed, with a technology made in the 90s at best.
Russkie tanks will shit the pants.
Use that for free Scott, you are welcome.
Just say "hi".
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Most of the brigades that are on stand by for the "counter-offensives" in Bakhmut and Zaporoshye are formed by these Ghost batallions.Yet they are still "a battalion"
Here GarryB´s fetish for airships or tethered ballons is justified. Equipped with EO systems they could search forI suppose there is no way to systematically search for this type of threat at the moment, the tools need to be figured out and constructed.
these craft.
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... yop, and remind me what that reminds you?
How the famous Austrian painter was pushing the "army groups" on the map?
Here GarryB´s fetish for airships or tethered ballons is justified. Equipped with EO systems they could search for
these craft.
It won't work bro, and that is the issue.
Those drones are powered by electric motors that emit extremely low heat.
Very low profile, so no chance a doppler effect will figure them in a wave.
The sole thing I can figure out now how to find them is some electric field emission applied to the electric motor and batteries.
But nobody has this type of sensor, military-grade, tested, and in ranks/numbers.
Or pure optical measures, that will involve AI to combine the background with the picture to separate them.
May be closer to be ready, but still not in desired numbers.
That is what makes me think that the Iranian potential should be multiplied, last they have played with those "toys" for jears ...
How the famous Austrian painter was pushing the "army groups" on the map?
Here GarryB´s fetish for airships or tethered ballons is justified. Equipped with EO systems they could search for
these craft.
It won't work bro, and that is the issue.
Those drones are powered by electric motors that emit extremely low heat.
Very low profile, so no chance a doppler effect will figure them in a wave.
The sole thing I can figure out now how to find them is some electric field emission applied to the electric motor and batteries.
But nobody has this type of sensor, military-grade, tested, and in ranks/numbers.
Or pure optical measures, that will involve AI to combine the background with the picture to separate them.
May be closer to be ready, but still not in desired numbers.
That is what makes me think that the Iranian potential should be multiplied, last they have played with those "toys" for jears ...
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The young lady won a beauty contest and gave all her money to support the guys fighting in the SMO
Russian control over the highlands SW of the village of Min'kovka will mean that the Russian artillery will easy have a firing range over all four cities
Slavyansk (22 km), Kramatorsk (17,5 km), Druzhkovka (22 km) and Konstantinovka (19,5 km). - Trollstoy
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation (23.03.2023)
In the Kupyansk direction, air strikes and artillery fire of the "Western" grouping of troops hit AFU units in the areas of Artemivka in the Luhansk People's Republic, Dvurechnaya and Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region. The losses of the enemy in this direction were up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two pickup trucks, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, as well as an M777 artillery system manufactured in the USA.
In the Krasno-Limanskoe direction, strikes by assault and army aviation, artillery fire and active actions of the units of the Group of Forces Center hit enemy manpower and equipment in the areas of Chervona Dibrova of the Luhansk People's Republic, Yampolovka and Terny of the Donetsk People's Republic. During the day more than 80 Ukrainian soldiers, two armored vehicles, three pickup trucks, as well as a D-30 howitzer were destroyed in this direction.
In the Donetsk direction, as a result of active actions of units and artillery fire of the "Southern" group of troops, more than 250 Ukrainian servicemen, six tanks, five armored combat vehicles, seven vehicles and a D-20 howitzer were destroyed during the day.
In addition, an ammunition depot of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the AFU was destroyed near the village of Lastochkino.
On the South Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia directions, air strikes and artillery fire of the Vostok Group of Forces hit AFU units in the areas of Ugledar and Novomikhailovka settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic. Total losses of the enemy in these directions were up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, one pickup truck, three vehicles, as well as D-20 and D-30 howitzers.
In the Kherson direction, up to 15 Ukrainian servicemen and five vehicles were destroyed in the course of the day.
Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation struck 76 AFU artillery units at firing positions, manpower and equipment in 114 areas during the day.
A fuel and lubricant depot of the 65th AFU Mechanized Brigade was destroyed near the Zaliznichnoye settlement in Zaporizhzhia Region.
Russian Air Force fighter aircraft in the vicinity of Boguslavka, Kharkiv region shot down an Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force.
The air defense forces intercepted five HIMARS MBRLS rockets during the day.
In addition, sixteen unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Zaliman, Kreminna of the Luhansk People's Republic, Vladimirovka, Vasilevka, Pavlovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Berestovoye, Lozovaya of the Kharkiv Region and Alyoshki of the Kherson Region.
In the Kupyansk direction, air strikes and artillery fire of the "Western" grouping of troops hit AFU units in the areas of Artemivka in the Luhansk People's Republic, Dvurechnaya and Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region. The losses of the enemy in this direction were up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two pickup trucks, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, as well as an M777 artillery system manufactured in the USA. In the Krasno-Limanskoe direction, strikes by assault and army aviation, artillery fire and active actions of the units of the Group of Forces Center hit enemy manpower and equipment in the areas of Chervona Dibrova of the Luhansk People's Republic, Yampolovka and Terny of the Donetsk People's Republic. During the day more than 80 Ukrainian soldiers, two armored vehicles, three pickup trucks, as well as a D-30 howitzer were destroyed in this direction. In the Donetsk direction, as a result of active actions of units and artillery fire of the "Southern" group of troops, more than 250 Ukrainian servicemen, six tanks, five armored combat vehicles, seven vehicles and a D-20 howitzer were destroyed during the day. In addition, an ammunition depot of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the AFU was destroyed near the village of Lastochkino. On the South Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia directions, air strikes and artillery fire of the Vostok Group of Forces hit AFU units in the areas of Ugledar and Novomikhailovka settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic. Total losses of the enemy in these directions were up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, one pickup truck, three vehicles, as well as D-20 and D-30 howitzers. In the Kherson direction, up to 15 Ukrainian servicemen and five vehicles were destroyed in the course of the day. Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation struck 76 AFU artillery units at firing positions, manpower and equipment in 114 areas during the day. A fuel and lubricant depot of the 65th AFU Mechanized Brigade was destroyed near the Zaliznichnoye settlement in Zaporizhzhia Region. Russian Air Force fighter aircraft in the vicinity of Boguslavka, Kharkiv region shot down an Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force. The air defense forces intercepted five HIMARS MBRLS rockets during the day. In addition, sixteen unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Zaliman, Kreminna of the Luhansk People's Republic, Vladimirovka, Vasilevka, Pavlovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Berestovoye, Lozovaya of the Kharkiv Region and Alyoshki of the Kherson Region.GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, Hole, Mir and Broski like this post
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I've only read the translated version of what Medvedev said but he did not explain (obviously) whether these are T-90, T-14 or simply refurbished/upgraded older models. wrote:
I would assume its a combination of latest spec rebuilt t-72, t-80 and t -90 + net new t-90 and T-14.
there is simply no need to build 1500 tanks a year. I would assume soon they will only build new T-14s but even t-72 probably has at least 1 more major upgrade in it.
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Finland now allowed NATO overfly so we have this today, 2x RC135W checking out a new part of Russia.
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Anyone hazard a guess on the numbers here?
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The fabled counter offensive is underway
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The joke being that US spox Kirby said something like "what kind of country would award a pilot for ramming an unmanned drone?" I guess? wrote:
Considering they awarded an entire crew of their most advanced ship for blowing an Iranian airliner out of the sky?
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If Obersturbanfuhrer Jennie the penny says it then Russia should proceed to place tactical nuclear-tipped intermediate range ballistic missiles in Belarus.
"Religion is never shaken down by war, but logicians are shaken in their logic, agnosticism is shaken, materialism is shaken, atheism is shaken, positivism is shaken. The intellectual dominance is shaken and falls, the spiritual powers are allowed to take possession of men's being."
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NATO Secretary General justifies the transfer of shells with depleted uranium to Ukraine, 03.23.2023.
Stoltenberg justified the transfer of shells with uranium to Ukraine as non-violation of international law.
MOSCOW, March 23 - RIA Novosti. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, answering a question about the supply of depleted uranium shells by the UK to Kiev, claims that the members of the alliance follow international law in their support for Ukraine.
"NATO members follow international rules and law in everything they do in support of Ukraine," Stoltenberg told Agence France-Presse when asked about Britain's plans and the corresponding reaction from Russia.
British Deputy Defense Minister Annabelle Goldie said earlier that London would transfer ammunition containing depleted uranium to Ukraine. White House spokesman John Kirby said the US will not send depleted uranium munitions to Ukraine, but is confident that they do not pose a radioactive threat, according to him, these are "weapons of a conventional type and have been used for decades."
Russian President Vladimir Putin , speaking about this initiative, said that Russia would be forced to react if the collective West begins to use weapons with a nuclear component, and that the West “decided to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian not in words but in deeds.” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that if this happens, it will end badly for London. The official representative of the department, Maria Zakharova, described the use of depleted uranium shells as a manifestation of genocide against the population against which such weapons are used.
Souad Al-Azzawi, a doctor in geoecological engineering from the Colorado School of Mines in the US, said that the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium by the US military in Iraq led to a sixfold increase in the number of cancers and diseases associated with radioactivity.
Natural uranium consists mainly of the isotopes uranium-238 (about 99.3%) and uranium-235 (about 0.7%). Depleted uranium is the uranium remaining after the separation of uranium-235 from it as a result of enrichment. Nevertheless, 0.2-0.3% uranium-235 remains in depleted uranium. Uranium is close in density to tungsten. This allows smaller projectiles to be equal in mass to most other metal projectiles while reducing aerodynamic drag. Depleted uranium is used in the cores of the so-called sub-caliber armor-piercing projectiles, which have a high kinetic energy. Since uranium is pyrophoric (its small particles ignite spontaneously in air), projectiles with it have a significantly greater armor damaging effect than projectiles with tungsten-based cores.
The radioactivity of depleted uranium is less than that of natural uranium ore. But, like other heavy metals, uranium is toxic. According to some experts, genetic damage that causes cancer may be associated with a mechanism of mutual enhancement of the chemical toxicity of uranium particles that enter the body, and albeit relatively weak, but still depleted uranium radioactivity.
https://ria.ru/20230323/uran-1860199467.html
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The reports of T-55 being sent to the front. It's most likely that these tanks are being sent abroad to a foreign customer the T-55 is still used in many countries and demand for parts and ammo are still needed. When I was with the Cambodian army back in 2012 they had T-55's and I asked the question isn't the ammo too old. They told they had ammo that was produced in the 1990's and even some produced in early 2000's. And as Garryb has stated that the ammo isn't compatible with the T-12 or MT-12 it's very likely that there isn't much difference and some Russian units are still using the MT-12 and live fire training and live fire exercises require ammo and as many had stated ammo doesn't last forever so it's likely that ammo for both due to demand (thousands of T-55 still in service) along with the demand during Syria that the ammo is still produced most likely in much smaller quantities that they did back in Soviet era.
As for T-55 being sent to Ukraine if indeed they were sent to Ukraine this would most likely being sent as a fire support vehicle than ina tank role facing Ukrainian tanks. And being sent to less active fronts being used by mobilization forces. T-55 are reliable easy to maintain and fix and fairly basic so to train on such wouldn't require a lot of training. And remember just like Syria where T-55 proved useful against low tech enemies there will be fronts in Ukraine manned by only forced mobilization forces (1-2 weeks training) and next to zero modern vehicles. There has been articles and pictures of Ukrainian territorial battalions using BRDM-1, BTR-152, BTR-40, BTR-60, and no doubt other old vehicles such as PT-76, T-54/T-55 etc so a T-55 would have no issues in dealing with these, or blasting buildings apart. These. Would be ideal to provide fire support for Russian mobilization forces on static quiet fronts, and a cheap night vision system, bolt on armour/ caged armour, or old ERA bricks would be give added protection. And if they are being used in defensive roles then it quite common for tanks to be dug in/surrounded by mounds of earth/dirt to act as additional protection with only turret showing and T-55 have a pretty small turret and profile.
But I still think that this rumour of T-55 is just Ukrainian propaganda news.
As for T-55 being sent to Ukraine if indeed they were sent to Ukraine this would most likely being sent as a fire support vehicle than ina tank role facing Ukrainian tanks. And being sent to less active fronts being used by mobilization forces. T-55 are reliable easy to maintain and fix and fairly basic so to train on such wouldn't require a lot of training. And remember just like Syria where T-55 proved useful against low tech enemies there will be fronts in Ukraine manned by only forced mobilization forces (1-2 weeks training) and next to zero modern vehicles. There has been articles and pictures of Ukrainian territorial battalions using BRDM-1, BTR-152, BTR-40, BTR-60, and no doubt other old vehicles such as PT-76, T-54/T-55 etc so a T-55 would have no issues in dealing with these, or blasting buildings apart. These. Would be ideal to provide fire support for Russian mobilization forces on static quiet fronts, and a cheap night vision system, bolt on armour/ caged armour, or old ERA bricks would be give added protection. And if they are being used in defensive roles then it quite common for tanks to be dug in/surrounded by mounds of earth/dirt to act as additional protection with only turret showing and T-55 have a pretty small turret and profile.
But I still think that this rumour of T-55 is just Ukrainian propaganda news.
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Too much time is spent on talking about T-55s. When we see Russian front line forces using them because they ran out of T-90s and upgraded T-72s (which
are better than Leopard-2s being sent to Ukria) then we can start bitching about it.
The propaganda injections are clearly effective in getting hordes of web denizens to focus on irrelevant crap.
are better than Leopard-2s being sent to Ukria) then we can start bitching about it.
The propaganda injections are clearly effective in getting hordes of web denizens to focus on irrelevant crap.
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>attacks through narrow muddy lanes flanked by obstacles
The modern day Agincourt. Huge waves of men and machine will subsequently choke and die on the mud before they can even see a single Russian soldier. I can only hope the morons who planned this op eat a Kinzhal before this is over.
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And this is why Zelensky & Co are still alive...
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